Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[Middle-aged Europe]

There she goes...


https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1498781671990206465

[NOVA Green]

Time for your meds Mr Green. You can post in the Ukraine thread again in the morning.

Thanks for reminding me about my greens and as it is currently only about 4:00 PM PST, I believe I will continue to share information for a bit longer, especially since many Atlas members do not have access to some of the paid news sites, so I figure it's a contribution to share the written word otherwise buried behind the Paywalls, since we have many others on this thread data mining Twitter videos, providing maps, and proving their own contributions in a myriad of fashions, and I have but my own simple style meal to offer. 

I believe I did post some recent stuff regarding Australia and New Zealand and maybe you can share some updates from Down Under, since we don't have nearly as much coverage how this is playing out there vs Europe and the US?   

[Torie]

If Putin decides to blow Ukrainian cities to bits from missiles, because his troops have no stomach for carrying out his mad designs, killing tens of thousands of civilians, that is a red line. At that point it is no fly zone time. If Putin can kill from the air in that way, then it is time to close such air from being an arterial for the commission of such unspeakable acts.

And in tandem, I would hope and trust that considerable thought  is being given to the state of Putin's health.

Easy to say from a back bencher I understand. Biden is earning his pay these days. This is where the rubber meets the road. The rest relatively speaking is noise. I hope and trust this is the focus of his SOTU.

The issue is you cannot enforce that no-fly zone without starting WWIII.

At some point one cannot enable evil by the threat of MAD. Where the line is drawn is up for debate. That is why the easiest way out of the box would involve the state of Putin's health. I just don't believe Russia is in sync with Putin here. I feel bad for young people. It  is just so sad.

[Splash]

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1498812415043063813

[Middle-aged Europe]

https://twitter.com/invest_ez/status/1498797731791327236

[ꙮ]

Also, it's clear that China got it right when it decided to ring-fence its internet, bar Western internet and social media companies that wouldn't meet its requirements, which turned out to be all of them, and develop domestic alternatives. Facebook and Twitter are turning out to be huge national security nightmares for Russia as they are clearly intervening on behalf of the Ukrainians and banning them now could cause backlash as there may not be an alternative (maybe Telegram?) and Russians are used to using them. China would not face this issue at all. Yes it's annoying to use the internet in China particularly to browse foreign websites but national security is more important than my convenience.

You are a pathetic excuse of a human who is desirous of oppression, we know this.

Preferring authoritarianism to libertarianism is a valid position to take.

No, actually.

Not everyone has the same values as you, Dule.

True, some people have values that are just wrong by any reasonable standard. Their beliefs are not "valid" though, if the word valid is to have any meaning.

[MaxQue]

If Putin decides to blow Ukrainian cities to bits from missiles, because his troops have no stomach for carrying out his mad designs, killing tens of thousands of civilians, that is a red line. At that point it is no fly zone time. If Putin can kill from the air in that way, then it is time to close such air from being an arterial for the commission of such unspeakable acts.

And in tandem, I would hope and trust that considerable thought  is being given to the state of Putin's health.

Easy to say from a back bencher I understand. Biden is earning his pay these days. This is where the rubber meets the road. The rest relatively speaking is noise. I hope and trust this is the focus of his SOTU.

The issue is you cannot enforce that no-fly zone without starting WWIII.

The problem is that a red line is needed somewhere. That logic means he could invade half of Europe and USA would still do nothing.

[John Dule]

Also, it's clear that China got it right when it decided to ring-fence its internet, bar Western internet and social media companies that wouldn't meet its requirements, which turned out to be all of them, and develop domestic alternatives. Facebook and Twitter are turning out to be huge national security nightmares for Russia as they are clearly intervening on behalf of the Ukrainians and banning them now could cause backlash as there may not be an alternative (maybe Telegram?) and Russians are used to using them. China would not face this issue at all. Yes it's annoying to use the internet in China particularly to browse foreign websites but national security is more important than my convenience.

You are a pathetic excuse of a human who is desirous of oppression, we know this.

Preferring authoritarianism to libertarianism is a valid position to take.

No, actually.

Not everyone has the same values as you, Dule.

Exactly, which is why I don't have the right to impose my values on them. Hence why authoritarianism is inherently wrong.

Except some think imposing values on others isn’t inherently wrong. Which is a valid position to take.

Hypocrisy is never valid, and authoritarianism is inherently hypocritical.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Don't know if this has alredy been reported on here, but the 40-mile long Russian mega convoy (I guess Putin would call it a Freedom Convoy ) that was advancing on Kiev from the north has come to a halt apparently. They've run out of fuel.


https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1498690292568018952


https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1498774395644428296

[NOVA Green]

40 Mile Convoy Update


So I posted earlier regarding some more detailed analysis of the composition of the vast "40 Mile Convoy" heading towards Kiev, and assuming that some of you have already read it (and don't want to have to reread that article), will simply post a link here:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=469771.msg8504073#msg8504073

Now, we have The Guardian with a few additional data analytical points, which I don't believe anybody else has posted.

(Excerpt from link at bottom live feed)

Dead centre of the picture, circulated by the satellite company Maxar Technologies on Sunday, a small clearing is visible, and next to it, on the road heading south towards the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, a small proportion of a vast convoy of Russian military vehicles – estimated to be 40 miles long – accompanied by 15,000 troops.

In places, the military vehicles can be seen three abreast, almost blocking the road. Other images of the convoy seem to explain its belligerent purpose: fuel tankers and trucks carrying food, ammunition and soldiers.

Elsewhere, just visible are the shapes of towed and self-propelled artillery pieces, BMP3 armoured carriers and Russian main tanks. In places you can see the tracks of Russian vehicles that have gone off the road – perhaps to scout against attack from the flanks – visible in the fresh snow covering the fields.

....

And in some images released by Maxar on Monday, troops appeared to have arrived at where they would halt, deploying in camps outside the city, including in and around the town of Zdvyzhivka, to the north of Kyiv

....

On Tuesday the head of the convoy was reportedly passing near the heavily contested Hostomel airbase 17 miles north of Kyiv’s city centre. There are fears that the force in the convoy could be deployed against the nearby district of Obolonskyi, the adjacent village of Horenka, and the main roads running through Obolonskyi towards the city’s centre.

....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/01/vast-russian-military-convoy-kyiv-siege-ukraine


Your Humble Servant NOVA merely passing on the news.....

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Don't know if this has alredy been reported on here, but the 40-mile long Russian mega convoy (I guess Putin would call it a Freedom Convoy ) that was advancing on Kiev from the north has come to a halt apparently. They've run out of fuel.


https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1498690292568018952


https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1498774395644428296

"What if Visser Three from Animorphs got really into the Keystone Kops, then became real and was put in charge of a real military?"

This was supposed to be the logistics convoy!

[Omega21]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498815833681891332

[Aurelius]

https://twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1498420747752157189

Allahu akbar!

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

40 Mile Convoy Update


So I posted earlier regarding some more detailed analysis of the composition of the vast "40 Mile Convoy" heading towards Kiev, and assuming that some of you have already read it (and don't want to have to reread that article), will simply post a link here:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=469771.msg8504073#msg8504073

Now, we have The Guardian with a few additional data analytical points, which I don't believe anybody else has posted.

(Excerpt from link at bottom live feed)

Dead centre of the picture, circulated by the satellite company Maxar Technologies on Sunday, a small clearing is visible, and next to it, on the road heading south towards the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, a small proportion of a vast convoy of Russian military vehicles – estimated to be 40 miles long – accompanied by 15,000 troops.

In places, the military vehicles can be seen three abreast, almost blocking the road. Other images of the convoy seem to explain its belligerent purpose: fuel tankers and trucks carrying food, ammunition and soldiers.

Elsewhere, just visible are the shapes of towed and self-propelled artillery pieces, BMP3 armoured carriers and Russian main tanks. In places you can see the tracks of Russian vehicles that have gone off the road – perhaps to scout against attack from the flanks – visible in the fresh snow covering the fields.

....

And in some images released by Maxar on Monday, troops appeared to have arrived at where they would halt, deploying in camps outside the city, including in and around the town of Zdvyzhivka, to the north of Kyiv

....

On Tuesday the head of the convoy was reportedly passing near the heavily contested Hostomel airbase 17 miles north of Kyiv’s city centre. There are fears that the force in the convoy could be deployed against the nearby district of Obolonskyi, the adjacent village of Horenka, and the main roads running through Obolonskyi towards the city’s centre.

....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/01/vast-russian-military-convoy-kyiv-siege-ukraine


Your Humble Servant NOVA merely passing on the news.....

I’m getting exceptionally pissed than Ukraine wasn’t given buckets of drones and MLRS. We are sitting here watching the progress of the to be butchers of Kyiv and no one seems able to do a damn thing about it. A few Reapers would have cleaned the whole thing up.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

If Putin decides to blow Ukrainian cities to bits from missiles, because his troops have no stomach for carrying out his mad designs, killing tens of thousands of civilians, that is a red line. At that point it is no fly zone time. If Putin can kill from the air in that way, then it is time to close such air from being an arterial for the commission of such unspeakable acts.

And in tandem, I would hope and trust that considerable thought  is being given to the state of Putin's health.

Easy to say from a back bencher I understand. Biden is earning his pay these days. This is where the rubber meets the road. The rest relatively speaking is noise. I hope and trust this is the focus of his SOTU.

The issue is you cannot enforce that no-fly zone without starting WWIII.

The problem is that a red line is needed somewhere. That logic means he could invade half of Europe and USA would still do nothing.

The red line is a NATO country, not Ukraine.

[Storebought]

40 Mile Convoy Update


So I posted earlier regarding some more detailed analysis of the composition of the vast "40 Mile Convoy" heading towards Kiev, and assuming that some of you have already read it (and don't want to have to reread that article), will simply post a link here:

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=469771.msg8504073#msg8504073

Now, we have The Guardian with a few additional data analytical points, which I don't believe anybody else has posted.

(Excerpt from link at bottom live feed)

Dead centre of the picture, circulated by the satellite company Maxar Technologies on Sunday, a small clearing is visible, and next to it, on the road heading south towards the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, a small proportion of a vast convoy of Russian military vehicles – estimated to be 40 miles long – accompanied by 15,000 troops.

In places, the military vehicles can be seen three abreast, almost blocking the road. Other images of the convoy seem to explain its belligerent purpose: fuel tankers and trucks carrying food, ammunition and soldiers.

Elsewhere, just visible are the shapes of towed and self-propelled artillery pieces, BMP3 armoured carriers and Russian main tanks. In places you can see the tracks of Russian vehicles that have gone off the road – perhaps to scout against attack from the flanks – visible in the fresh snow covering the fields.

....

And in some images released by Maxar on Monday, troops appeared to have arrived at where they would halt, deploying in camps outside the city, including in and around the town of Zdvyzhivka, to the north of Kyiv

....

On Tuesday the head of the convoy was reportedly passing near the heavily contested Hostomel airbase 17 miles north of Kyiv’s city centre. There are fears that the force in the convoy could be deployed against the nearby district of Obolonskyi, the adjacent village of Horenka, and the main roads running through Obolonskyi towards the city’s centre.

....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/01/vast-russian-military-convoy-kyiv-siege-ukraine


Your Humble Servant NOVA merely passing on the news.....

I’m getting exceptionally pissed than Ukraine wasn’t given buckets of drones and MLRS. We are sitting here watching the progress of the to be butchers of Kyiv and no one seems able to do a damn thing about it. A few Reapers would have cleaned the whole thing up.

Thank you for stating this. Gives awareness of how dangerous this convoy still is despite its operational faults.

[WMS]

There hasn’t been much new in international reactions and I’m waiting for the UNGA 11th Special Session vote*, but a few bits:

https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1498223682958856195?s=21

Two things of interest:
Qatar votes Yes, shaming the UAE.
Bolivia votes Yes, shaming tankies worldwide.

Also, The Philippines will vote to condemn Russia.

Also also, both Andorra and San Marino will participate in sanctions against Russia, in the case of Andorra this is the first time they’ve ever leveled sanctions against a country.



*Although the words “Russia is isolated” keep popping up. Fancy that.

[Middle-aged Europe]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498815833681891332

Bu... but Comrade Putin has said in Soviet Russia you don't need large banks and financial institutions.

[Splash]

Don't know if this has alredy been reported on here, but the 40-mile long Russian mega convoy (I guess Putin would call it a Freedom Convoy ) that was advancing on Kiev from the north has come to a halt apparently. They've run out of fuel.


https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1498690292568018952
https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1498774395644428296

"What if Visser Three from Animorphs got really into the Keystone Kops, then became real and was put in charge of a real military?"

This was supposed to be the logistics convoy!

Russia: Sends fuel trucks to refuel beleaguered and depleted front line units

Fuel trucks: Run out of fuel before reaching the front line

[Person Man]

Don't know if this has alredy been reported on here, but the 40-mile long Russian mega convoy (I guess Putin would call it a Freedom Convoy ) that was advancing on Kiev from the north has come to a halt apparently. They've run out of fuel.


https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1498690292568018952


https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1498774395644428296

"What if Visser Three from Animorphs got really into the Keystone Kops, then became real and was put in charge of a real military?"

This was supposed to be the logistics convoy!

Putin’s a cartoon supervillain!

[jaichind]

https://polymarket.com/market/will-volodymyr-zelenskyy-be-ukraines-president-on-april-22-2022

Polymarket: Will Volodymyr Zelenskyy be President of Ukraine on April 22, 2022? is now trading at 48/52

[TheReckoning]

Also, it's clear that China got it right when it decided to ring-fence its internet, bar Western internet and social media companies that wouldn't meet its requirements, which turned out to be all of them, and develop domestic alternatives. Facebook and Twitter are turning out to be huge national security nightmares for Russia as they are clearly intervening on behalf of the Ukrainians and banning them now could cause backlash as there may not be an alternative (maybe Telegram?) and Russians are used to using them. China would not face this issue at all. Yes it's annoying to use the internet in China particularly to browse foreign websites but national security is more important than my convenience.

You are a pathetic excuse of a human who is desirous of oppression, we know this.

Preferring authoritarianism to libertarianism is a valid position to take.

No, actually.

Not everyone has the same values as you, Dule.

Exactly, which is why I don't have the right to impose my values on them. Hence why authoritarianism is inherently wrong.

Except some think imposing values on others isn’t inherently wrong. Which is a valid position to take.

Hypocrisy is never valid, and authoritarianism is inherently hypocritical.

It’s not, really. One might say it’s not really self-aware. But there’s nothing inherently hypocritical about being authoritarian. And either way, an allegation of hypocrisy is an attack on behavior, not on idealogy.

[Omega21]

Well, not that unexpected to be honest..

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498819508370391040

[Mike88]

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1498766726372155399

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Uh oh

https://mobile.twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1498756914263568386