Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[jaichind]

Liveuamap implies that the dam blew itself up.

[Hollywood]

Excellent Map illustrating the battle lines in-and-around Bakhmut on 2/25/2023.  The Ukrainians have focused their best troops along the ridge line from Orikhovo-Vasylivka to Chasiv Yar in order to protect their flanks.  They have at least 10 brigades trying to hold the line NW of Bakhmut from Wagner Assaults on the last road in-and-out of Bakhmut.  Wagner is advancing along the higher terrain, and  are effectively utilizing artillery and infantry to break-through Ukrainian positions.  The advance has caused Ukrainians to become disorganized and disoriented, and naturally, resulted in large casualties among their well-trained brigades.  I think the AFU is extremely worried about the Wagner army cutting-off these brigades from Chasiv Yar, and may have panicked today by blowing up the damn.  

In the New York axis, the Russian Army and Wagner have started advancing on Krasnohorivka, in addition to pushing out from NovoBakhmutivka, in order to start taking high ground around both New York and Avdiivka.  They've also taken the hills SW of Avdiivka.  

Near Vulhedar, the Ukrainians are still blunting Russian Army offensives. 

On the Kreminna to Kupyasnk axis, the Russians have pretty much stalled the Ukrainian line, and the AFU has had to brought-in more defensive brigades to replenish their depleted manpower around Kupyansk. The Russians have made some gains towards the Ukrainian line from Torske to Nevske.  According to the map, the Russians have 14 brigades sitting-back to the east of Krasna River (east of Kreminna).   

https://twitter.com/Pouletvolant3/status/1629780990598995968

[jaichind]

The real battle for Donbas will be the fight for the high ground between Bakhmut and Slovyansk-Kramatorsk-Kostyantynivka which is the battle yet to come.

Ukraine should pull out of Bakhmut ASAP to reinforce their positions on the high ground between Bakhmut and Slovyansk-Kramatorsk-Kostyantynivka.

[jaichind]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-news#macron-says-he-will-visit-china-and-praises-beijings-efforts-on-a-peace-plan

Macron must have a very low regard for the perspicacity of his French constituents. He called “Beijing’s engagement in peace efforts for Ukraine “a good thing” and said that he would travel to China in early April.” … And then in the next breath says that … “he made clear that peace would be possible only if Russian aggression were stopped, its troops withdrawn and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people respected.” And this is all in the face of “Beijing … considering giving Russia lethal aid for use in Ukraine, and signs that China’s leadership is disinclined to distance itself from President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.”

I don’t know who Macron is fooling. Perhaps it is himself. Or maybe he just likes seeing his handsome face in the limelight. I have to assume that Macron is not an idiot, and thus is not under any illusion that Xi really gives a damn what Macron thinks. Why should he?

Well, due to the fact that France has an independent military, it always wanted to be more independent on the geopolitical scene going back to De Gaulle.  This PRC "peace plan" is to score points with the Global South so France has to secure its own position with Francophone Global South states vis-a-vis PRC by not looking like it is unreasonable.

Besides, why does this logic not apply to Zelensky?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-china-peace-plan-zelenskyy-xi-jinping-meeting-putin-rcna72317

"Zelenskyy plans to meet Xi Jinping after China proposes Russia peace plan"

[jaichind]

Same survey
India's perception of the war is totally different from the collective West and thinks in greater numbers that Russia is strong even more than Russia itself.

[Torie]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-news#macron-says-he-will-visit-china-and-praises-beijings-efforts-on-a-peace-plan

Macron must have a very low regard for the perspicacity of his French constituents. He called “Beijing’s engagement in peace efforts for Ukraine “a good thing” and said that he would travel to China in early April.” … And then in the next breath says that … “he made clear that peace would be possible only if Russian aggression were stopped, its troops withdrawn and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people respected.” And this is all in the face of “Beijing … considering giving Russia lethal aid for use in Ukraine, and signs that China’s leadership is disinclined to distance itself from President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.”

I don’t know who Macron is fooling. Perhaps it is himself. Or maybe he just likes seeing his handsome face in the limelight. I have to assume that Macron is not an idiot, and thus is not under any illusion that Xi really gives a damn what Macron thinks. Why should he?

Well, due to the fact that France has an independent military, it always wanted to be more independent on the geopolitical scene going back to De Gaulle.  This PRC "peace plan" is to score points with the Global South so France has to secure its own position with Francophone Global South states vis-a-vis PRC by not looking like it is unreasonable.

Besides, why does this logic not apply to Zelensky?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-china-peace-plan-zelenskyy-xi-jinping-meeting-putin-rcna72317

"Zelenskyy plans to meet Xi Jinping after China proposes Russia peace plan"

Zelinsky getting into the mix after my post is a somewhat surprising development. My guess is maybe he thinks it might assist in forestalling PRC military aid to Russia.

France's continued interest in the Francophone global south is just so French.

[Logical]

I think we can safely declare that Russia's infrastructure campaign against Ukraine has failed. It was never going to succeed anyway because Russia could never sustain the rate of fire required to permanently knock out the Ukrainian power grid. In the end they will have wasted hundreds of missiles for minimal military value.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1629838716951748613

[Hollywood]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-news#macron-says-he-will-visit-china-and-praises-beijings-efforts-on-a-peace-plan

Macron must have a very low regard for the perspicacity of his French constituents. He called “Beijing’s engagement in peace efforts for Ukraine “a good thing” and said that he would travel to China in early April.” … And then in the next breath says that … “he made clear that peace would be possible only if Russian aggression were stopped, its troops withdrawn and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people respected.” And this is all in the face of “Beijing … considering giving Russia lethal aid for use in Ukraine, and signs that China’s leadership is disinclined to distance itself from President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.”

I don’t know who Macron is fooling. Perhaps it is himself. Or maybe he just likes seeing his handsome face in the limelight. I have to assume that Macron is not an idiot, and thus is not under any illusion that Xi really gives a damn what Macron thinks. Why should he?

Well, due to the fact that France has an independent military, it always wanted to be more independent on the geopolitical scene going back to De Gaulle.  This PRC "peace plan" is to score points with the Global South so France has to secure its own position with Francophone Global South states vis-a-vis PRC by not looking like it is unreasonable.

Besides, why does this logic not apply to Zelensky?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-china-peace-plan-zelenskyy-xi-jinping-meeting-putin-rcna72317

"Zelenskyy plans to meet Xi Jinping after China proposes Russia peace plan"

Zelinsky getting into the mix after my post is a somewhat surprising development. My guess is maybe he thinks it might assist in forestalling PRC military aid to Russia.

France's continued interest in the Francophone global south is just so French.

My guess is that your reading way too deep into a fabricated, out-of-context quote that was wrongly published by a number of fake news outlets, because the actual quote portrayed Zelensky in a negative light.  That wouldn't surprise me.  Why would NBC not post the video (authoritative source)?  Instead of posting the actual evidence to support their assertion, they intentionally published a different video of Zelensky speaking after Joe Biden visited Ukraine.  

Per the authoritative source, when asked about recent news regarding China's 12-Point Peace Plan that he had not read, Zelensky stated, "[T]his is at least something, and I think that we would be safe to assume that if there are ideas that are aligned with the idea of respect for International Law, territorial integrity, and some security considerations, we need to put that to good use.  We need to work on that with China.  Why not?  Our task is to get everyone together to isolate that someone [Putin or Russia]."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27yO97drU8k&t=23s.  

Per the AP, "Zelenskyy said Friday that his main goal was making sure China doesn’t supply weapons to Russia. And he expressed hope that China’s involvement could be useful in isolating Russia. 'Our task is to gather everyone to isolate the one,' he said."  

Therefore, Zelensky wasn't planning to meet with Xi Jinping.  He merely made a flippant or perfunctory remark that he would work with [insert any country, except Russia] to achieve a bunch of general goals for his country, but his only serious motivation for working with countries like China is to isolate Russia. Why not?

[Torie]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-news#macron-says-he-will-visit-china-and-praises-beijings-efforts-on-a-peace-plan

Macron must have a very low regard for the perspicacity of his French constituents. He called “Beijing’s engagement in peace efforts for Ukraine “a good thing” and said that he would travel to China in early April.” … And then in the next breath says that … “he made clear that peace would be possible only if Russian aggression were stopped, its troops withdrawn and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people respected.” And this is all in the face of “Beijing … considering giving Russia lethal aid for use in Ukraine, and signs that China’s leadership is disinclined to distance itself from President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.”

I don’t know who Macron is fooling. Perhaps it is himself. Or maybe he just likes seeing his handsome face in the limelight. I have to assume that Macron is not an idiot, and thus is not under any illusion that Xi really gives a damn what Macron thinks. Why should he?

Well, due to the fact that France has an independent military, it always wanted to be more independent on the geopolitical scene going back to De Gaulle.  This PRC "peace plan" is to score points with the Global South so France has to secure its own position with Francophone Global South states vis-a-vis PRC by not looking like it is unreasonable.

Besides, why does this logic not apply to Zelensky?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-china-peace-plan-zelenskyy-xi-jinping-meeting-putin-rcna72317

"Zelenskyy plans to meet Xi Jinping after China proposes Russia peace plan"

Zelinsky getting into the mix after my post is a somewhat surprising development. My guess is maybe he thinks it might assist in forestalling PRC military aid to Russia.

France's continued interest in the Francophone global south is just so French.

My guess is that your reading way too deep into a fabricated, out-of-context quote that was wrongly published by a number of fake news outlets, because the actual quote portrayed Zelensky in a negative light.  That wouldn't surprise me.  Why would NBC not post the video (authoritative source)?  Instead of posting the actual evidence to support their assertion, they intentionally published a different video of Zelensky speaking after Joe Biden visited Ukraine.  

Per the authoritative source, when asked about recent news regarding China's 12-Point Peace Plan that he had not read, Zelensky stated, "[T]his is at least something, and I think that we would be safe to assume that if there are ideas that are aligned with the idea of respect for International Law, territorial integrity, and some security considerations, we need to put that to good use.  We need to work on that with China.  Why not?  Our task is to get everyone together to isolate that someone [Putin or Russia]."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27yO97drU8k&t=23s.  

Per the AP, "Zelenskyy said Friday that his main goal was making sure China doesn’t supply weapons to Russia. And he expressed hope that China’s involvement could be useful in isolating Russia. 'Our task is to gather everyone to isolate the one,' he said."  

Therefore, Zelensky wasn't planning to meet with Xi Jinping.  He merely made a flippant or perfunctory remark that he would work with [insert any country, except Russia] to achieve a bunch of general goals for his country, but his only serious motivation for working with countries like China is to isolate Russia. Why not?

Time to take a deep breath and calm down perhaps?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=video+of+zelensky+saying+he+wanted+to+meet+with+xi#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:150b4c8c,vid:qdzsPwyxtYw

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-news#macron-says-he-will-visit-china-and-praises-beijings-efforts-on-a-peace-plan

Macron must have a very low regard for the perspicacity of his French constituents. He called “Beijing’s engagement in peace efforts for Ukraine “a good thing” and said that he would travel to China in early April.” … And then in the next breath says that … “he made clear that peace would be possible only if Russian aggression were stopped, its troops withdrawn and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people respected.” And this is all in the face of “Beijing … considering giving Russia lethal aid for use in Ukraine, and signs that China’s leadership is disinclined to distance itself from President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.”

I don’t know who Macron is fooling. Perhaps it is himself. Or maybe he just likes seeing his handsome face in the limelight. I have to assume that Macron is not an idiot, and thus is not under any illusion that Xi really gives a damn what Macron thinks. Why should he?

Well, due to the fact that France has an independent military, it always wanted to be more independent on the geopolitical scene going back to De Gaulle.  This PRC "peace plan" is to score points with the Global South so France has to secure its own position with Francophone Global South states vis-a-vis PRC by not looking like it is unreasonable.

Besides, why does this logic not apply to Zelensky?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-china-peace-plan-zelenskyy-xi-jinping-meeting-putin-rcna72317

"Zelenskyy plans to meet Xi Jinping after China proposes Russia peace plan"

Zelinsky getting into the mix after my post is a somewhat surprising development. My guess is maybe he thinks it might assist in forestalling PRC military aid to Russia.

France's continued interest in the Francophone global south is just so French.

My guess is that your reading way too deep into a fabricated, out-of-context quote that was wrongly published by a number of fake news outlets, because the actual quote portrayed Zelensky in a negative light.  That wouldn't surprise me.  Why would NBC not post the video (authoritative source)?  Instead of posting the actual evidence to support their assertion, they intentionally published a different video of Zelensky speaking after Joe Biden visited Ukraine.  

Per the authoritative source, when asked about recent news regarding China's 12-Point Peace Plan that he had not read, Zelensky stated, "[T]his is at least something, and I think that we would be safe to assume that if there are ideas that are aligned with the idea of respect for International Law, territorial integrity, and some security considerations, we need to put that to good use.  We need to work on that with China.  Why not?  Our task is to get everyone together to isolate that someone [Putin or Russia]."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27yO97drU8k&t=23s.  

Per the AP, "Zelenskyy said Friday that his main goal was making sure China doesn’t supply weapons to Russia. And he expressed hope that China’s involvement could be useful in isolating Russia. 'Our task is to gather everyone to isolate the one,' he said."  

Therefore, Zelensky wasn't planning to meet with Xi Jinping.  He merely made a flippant or perfunctory remark that he would work with [insert any country, except Russia] to achieve a bunch of general goals for his country, but his only serious motivation for working with countries like China is to isolate Russia. Why not?

Time to take a deep breath and calm down perhaps?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=video+of+zelensky+saying+he+wanted+to+meet+with+xi#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:150b4c8c,vid:qdzsPwyxtYw

You’re talking to a poster who got kicked off this thread last year for going on an unhinged rant about how Zelenskyy was going to blow up a nuclear power plant and we need to assassinate him before he does. Don’t think taking a deep breath and calming down is in their nature

[Hollywood]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-news#macron-says-he-will-visit-china-and-praises-beijings-efforts-on-a-peace-plan

Macron must have a very low regard for the perspicacity of his French constituents. He called “Beijing’s engagement in peace efforts for Ukraine “a good thing” and said that he would travel to China in early April.” … And then in the next breath says that … “he made clear that peace would be possible only if Russian aggression were stopped, its troops withdrawn and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people respected.” And this is all in the face of “Beijing … considering giving Russia lethal aid for use in Ukraine, and signs that China’s leadership is disinclined to distance itself from President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.”

I don’t know who Macron is fooling. Perhaps it is himself. Or maybe he just likes seeing his handsome face in the limelight. I have to assume that Macron is not an idiot, and thus is not under any illusion that Xi really gives a damn what Macron thinks. Why should he?

Well, due to the fact that France has an independent military, it always wanted to be more independent on the geopolitical scene going back to De Gaulle.  This PRC "peace plan" is to score points with the Global South so France has to secure its own position with Francophone Global South states vis-a-vis PRC by not looking like it is unreasonable.

Besides, why does this logic not apply to Zelensky?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-china-peace-plan-zelenskyy-xi-jinping-meeting-putin-rcna72317

"Zelenskyy plans to meet Xi Jinping after China proposes Russia peace plan"

Zelinsky getting into the mix after my post is a somewhat surprising development. My guess is maybe he thinks it might assist in forestalling PRC military aid to Russia.

France's continued interest in the Francophone global south is just so French.

My guess is that your reading way too deep into a fabricated, out-of-context quote that was wrongly published by a number of fake news outlets, because the actual quote portrayed Zelensky in a negative light.  That wouldn't surprise me.  Why would NBC not post the video (authoritative source)?  Instead of posting the actual evidence to support their assertion, they intentionally published a different video of Zelensky speaking after Joe Biden visited Ukraine.  

Per the authoritative source, when asked about recent news regarding China's 12-Point Peace Plan that he had not read, Zelensky stated, "[T]his is at least something, and I think that we would be safe to assume that if there are ideas that are aligned with the idea of respect for International Law, territorial integrity, and some security considerations, we need to put that to good use.  We need to work on that with China.  Why not?  Our task is to get everyone together to isolate that someone [Putin or Russia]."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27yO97drU8k&t=23s.  

Per the AP, "Zelenskyy said Friday that his main goal was making sure China doesn’t supply weapons to Russia. And he expressed hope that China’s involvement could be useful in isolating Russia. 'Our task is to gather everyone to isolate the one,' he said."  

Therefore, Zelensky wasn't planning to meet with Xi Jinping.  He merely made a flippant or perfunctory remark that he would work with [insert any country, except Russia] to achieve a bunch of general goals for his country, but his only serious motivation for working with countries like China is to isolate Russia. Why not?

Time to take a deep breath and calm down perhaps?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=video+of+zelensky+saying+he+wanted+to+meet+with+xi#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:150b4c8c,vid:qdzsPwyxtYw

Okay.  I found it at 54:30.  Full Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvBJppHbq6k

Question: How do you plan to get South African and China on your side? 

Answer: "There are countries geopolitically far from Ukraine.  And South Africa... What can you tell them?  How do you encourage them to side with us?  First of all, I plan to meet with Xi Jinping, and I think that would be useful to our countries and global security.  We have a significant commodities turnover, trade with China, and uh, well, we are the countries interested in preserving our economic relations.  As far as I know, China respects territorial integrity" 

I don't know why NBCNews doesn't put the source of their information in their article when its accessible?  I'm from the legal world.  If you don't provide your evidence to the court ('of public opinion' in Journalism), your claims have no basis.  You have failed your duty of candor and due diligence, and you should look for work in another profession before you are disbarred, and then publicly shamed, in our Professional Newsletter. 

[Torie]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-news#macron-says-he-will-visit-china-and-praises-beijings-efforts-on-a-peace-plan

Macron must have a very low regard for the perspicacity of his French constituents. He called “Beijing’s engagement in peace efforts for Ukraine “a good thing” and said that he would travel to China in early April.” … And then in the next breath says that … “he made clear that peace would be possible only if Russian aggression were stopped, its troops withdrawn and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people respected.” And this is all in the face of “Beijing … considering giving Russia lethal aid for use in Ukraine, and signs that China’s leadership is disinclined to distance itself from President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.”

I don’t know who Macron is fooling. Perhaps it is himself. Or maybe he just likes seeing his handsome face in the limelight. I have to assume that Macron is not an idiot, and thus is not under any illusion that Xi really gives a damn what Macron thinks. Why should he?

Well, due to the fact that France has an independent military, it always wanted to be more independent on the geopolitical scene going back to De Gaulle.  This PRC "peace plan" is to score points with the Global South so France has to secure its own position with Francophone Global South states vis-a-vis PRC by not looking like it is unreasonable.

Besides, why does this logic not apply to Zelensky?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-china-peace-plan-zelenskyy-xi-jinping-meeting-putin-rcna72317

"Zelenskyy plans to meet Xi Jinping after China proposes Russia peace plan"

Zelinsky getting into the mix after my post is a somewhat surprising development. My guess is maybe he thinks it might assist in forestalling PRC military aid to Russia.

France's continued interest in the Francophone global south is just so French.

My guess is that your reading way too deep into a fabricated, out-of-context quote that was wrongly published by a number of fake news outlets, because the actual quote portrayed Zelensky in a negative light.  That wouldn't surprise me.  Why would NBC not post the video (authoritative source)?  Instead of posting the actual evidence to support their assertion, they intentionally published a different video of Zelensky speaking after Joe Biden visited Ukraine.  

Per the authoritative source, when asked about recent news regarding China's 12-Point Peace Plan that he had not read, Zelensky stated, "[T]his is at least something, and I think that we would be safe to assume that if there are ideas that are aligned with the idea of respect for International Law, territorial integrity, and some security considerations, we need to put that to good use.  We need to work on that with China.  Why not?  Our task is to get everyone together to isolate that someone [Putin or Russia]."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27yO97drU8k&t=23s.  

Per the AP, "Zelenskyy said Friday that his main goal was making sure China doesn’t supply weapons to Russia. And he expressed hope that China’s involvement could be useful in isolating Russia. 'Our task is to gather everyone to isolate the one,' he said."  

Therefore, Zelensky wasn't planning to meet with Xi Jinping.  He merely made a flippant or perfunctory remark that he would work with [insert any country, except Russia] to achieve a bunch of general goals for his country, but his only serious motivation for working with countries like China is to isolate Russia. Why not?

Time to take a deep breath and calm down perhaps?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=video+of+zelensky+saying+he+wanted+to+meet+with+xi#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:150b4c8c,vid:qdzsPwyxtYw

Okay.  I found it at 54:30.  Full Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvBJppHbq6k

Question: How do you plan to get South African and China on your side? 

Answer: "There are countries geopolitically far from Ukraine.  And South Africa... What can you tell them?  How do you encourage them to side with us?  First of all, I plan to meet with Xi Jinping, and I think that would be useful to our countries and global security.  We have a significant commodities turnover, trade with China, and uh, well, we are the countries interested in preserving our economic relations.  As far as I know, China respects territorial integrity" 

I don't know why NBCNews doesn't put the source of their information in their article when its accessible?  I'm from the legal world.  If you don't provide your evidence to the court ('of public opinion' in Journalism), your claims have no basis.  You have failed your duty of candor and due diligence, and you should look for work in another profession before you are disbarred, and then publicly shamed, in our Professional Newsletter. 

My deepest sympathies. No matter the gravity of you sins, you certainly did not deserve that fate.

[Hollywood]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-news#macron-says-he-will-visit-china-and-praises-beijings-efforts-on-a-peace-plan

Macron must have a very low regard for the perspicacity of his French constituents. He called “Beijing’s engagement in peace efforts for Ukraine “a good thing” and said that he would travel to China in early April.” … And then in the next breath says that … “he made clear that peace would be possible only if Russian aggression were stopped, its troops withdrawn and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people respected.” And this is all in the face of “Beijing … considering giving Russia lethal aid for use in Ukraine, and signs that China’s leadership is disinclined to distance itself from President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.”

I don’t know who Macron is fooling. Perhaps it is himself. Or maybe he just likes seeing his handsome face in the limelight. I have to assume that Macron is not an idiot, and thus is not under any illusion that Xi really gives a damn what Macron thinks. Why should he?

Well, due to the fact that France has an independent military, it always wanted to be more independent on the geopolitical scene going back to De Gaulle.  This PRC "peace plan" is to score points with the Global South so France has to secure its own position with Francophone Global South states vis-a-vis PRC by not looking like it is unreasonable.

Besides, why does this logic not apply to Zelensky?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-china-peace-plan-zelenskyy-xi-jinping-meeting-putin-rcna72317

"Zelenskyy plans to meet Xi Jinping after China proposes Russia peace plan"

Zelinsky getting into the mix after my post is a somewhat surprising development. My guess is maybe he thinks it might assist in forestalling PRC military aid to Russia.

France's continued interest in the Francophone global south is just so French.

My guess is that your reading way too deep into a fabricated, out-of-context quote that was wrongly published by a number of fake news outlets, because the actual quote portrayed Zelensky in a negative light.  That wouldn't surprise me.  Why would NBC not post the video (authoritative source)?  Instead of posting the actual evidence to support their assertion, they intentionally published a different video of Zelensky speaking after Joe Biden visited Ukraine.  

Per the authoritative source, when asked about recent news regarding China's 12-Point Peace Plan that he had not read, Zelensky stated, "[T]his is at least something, and I think that we would be safe to assume that if there are ideas that are aligned with the idea of respect for International Law, territorial integrity, and some security considerations, we need to put that to good use.  We need to work on that with China.  Why not?  Our task is to get everyone together to isolate that someone [Putin or Russia]."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27yO97drU8k&t=23s.  

Per the AP, "Zelenskyy said Friday that his main goal was making sure China doesn’t supply weapons to Russia. And he expressed hope that China’s involvement could be useful in isolating Russia. 'Our task is to gather everyone to isolate the one,' he said."  

Therefore, Zelensky wasn't planning to meet with Xi Jinping.  He merely made a flippant or perfunctory remark that he would work with [insert any country, except Russia] to achieve a bunch of general goals for his country, but his only serious motivation for working with countries like China is to isolate Russia. Why not?

Time to take a deep breath and calm down perhaps?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=video+of+zelensky+saying+he+wanted+to+meet+with+xi#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:150b4c8c,vid:qdzsPwyxtYw

You’re talking to a poster who got kicked off this thread last year for going on an unhinged rant about how Zelenskyy was going to blow up a nuclear power plant and we need to assassinate him before he does. Don’t think taking a deep breath and calming down is in their nature

All your rants are unhinged rants.  I was never kicked off the thread for a post, so that's BS.  

And yes.  Zelensky did fire artillery at the nuclear power plant, and he kept doing it cause people like you wouldn't hold him accountable.  Ukraine first denied it, and then admitted to it. The Army claimed that they shelled the area, because Russia was hiding artillery at the nuclear power plant, but the IAEA couldn't find satellite or ground evidence.  Zelensky did attempt to blow up the nuclear power plant for some reason, and then blamed the Russians.   Only F-ing lemmings are still under the delusion that Russia fired artillery shells at their own position, and you people were just going to let it happen.  You were crying when Amnesty International evidenced Ukrainian War Crimes in their report.  LOL.  
https://rumble.com/v1vvhxw-shelling-of-the-zaporozhye-nuclear-power-plant-by-ukrainian-forces.html

"The Ukrainian army said on Friday that it had bombed the town of Energodar, which is occupied by Russian troops and where UN inspectors are still conducting a visit of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant."  https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/09/02/ukraine-says-it-bombed-russian-base-near-occupied-nuclear-plant_5995650_4.html

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1629894304457015296
https://mobile.twitter.com/Hajun_BY/status/1629906407184125955
If this is true 👀 😗

[Storr]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1629894304457015296
https://mobile.twitter.com/Hajun_BY/status/1629906407184125955
If this is true 👀 😗

https://twitter.com/CorporalFrisk/status/1629911010323714051?s=20

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1629443697837326337?s=20

[Storr]

Possible update:

https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1629932358534045697?s=20

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1629928221989916674?s=20

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Possible update:

https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1629932358534045697?s=20
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1629928221989916674?s=20

We have reached the "Hearts of Iron 4 encirclements" part of the campaign.

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1629933347144073218?s=20

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1629894304457015296
https://mobile.twitter.com/Hajun_BY/status/1629906407184125955
If this is true 👀 😗

It’s true 🙌
https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1629939161330249734
https://mobile.twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1629911854662156290

[jaichind]

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1733982/one-year-on-huge-majority-of-ukrainians-confident-of-victory

"One year on, a huge majority of Ukrainians confident of victory"

Some 95 percent of Ukrainians are confident of their country’s victory against invading Russian forces

Seventeen percent of respondents said they had lost a loved one in the war, nearly doubling from 9 percent six months ago.

At least one-third of the working population lost their jobs, the survey said.

This poll which says 17% of respondents said they had lost a loved one in the war has a breakdown by region on that question.

West: 21%
Center: 18%
South: 12%
East: 14%



Well, I have to give credit to the Ukrainians.  The rate of mobilization and death seems much more concentrated in areas with stronger Ukrainian nationalism.   I give them credit for putting their money where their mouth is.

[jaichind]

Seems like the guy in charge of the Ukraine military effort in Donbas has just been fired.

https://twitter.com/ukrainewar24/status/1629950688028504065

[President Johnson]

Interesting stuff:

https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1629946010586808329

[jaichind]

Russian desk diplomacy.  Spot the difference.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Interesting stuff:

https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1629946010586808329

Tell that to Sahra Wagenknecht.