Georgia senate seats runoff(s) megathread

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

I've been starting to think this as well. Biden strikes me as pretty sensible and with a narrow majority I would think the Ds would tailor their policies accordingly.

I agree. I mean, he's made it very clear what policies he stands for and that he is eager to unite America and tangibly move things in a positive direction. He's literally said that he would veto M4A--not that that's relevant considering most senate democrats don't even support it. Mitch McConnell spent the entire Obama presidency trying to stop anything from happening. We can't go through that again. Obviously all the details are never going to be 100% public, but has there ever been any indication from Biden, Warnock, or Ossoff that they would support some of the stranger ideas coming out of the left?

And just looking at the candidates on the content of their character, do you really think that Loeffler and Perdue are good people who will put aside politics for the good of America? I seriously doubt it.

[forsythvoter]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

I've been starting to think this as well. Biden strikes me as pretty sensible and with a narrow majority I would think the Ds would tailor their policies accordingly.

I agree. I mean, he's made it very clear what policies he stands for and that he is eager to unite America and tangibly move things in a positive direction. He's literally said that he would veto M4A--not that that's relevant considering most senate democrats don't even support it. Mitch McConnell spent the entire Obama presidency trying to stop anything from happening. We can't go through that again. Obviously all the details are never going to be 100% public, but has there ever been any indication from Biden, Warnock, or Ossoff that they would support some of the stranger ideas coming out of the left?

And just looking at the candidates on the content of their character, do you really think that Loeffler and Perdue are good people who will put aside politics for the good of America? I seriously doubt it.

To be fair though, you don't think Murkowski, Romney or Collins would be willing to break ranks to pass legislation on specific areas?

[South Dakota Democrat]

LOL these latest polls are a joke

I know no one is going to listen to the poster who cried red Georgia but I think even those who were against my opinion in the general see it my way this time.

Those polls... +2 for Osoff? Eh HIGHLY skeptical. And +7 for Warnock? Are you serious LOL

Yeah, given your insufferability on election night/immediately after (Nevada is safe/likely R, can't remember which, etc.), you don't get to have that tone.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

I've been starting to think this as well. Biden strikes me as pretty sensible and with a narrow majority I would think the Ds would tailor their policies accordingly.

I agree. I mean, he's made it very clear what policies he stands for and that he is eager to unite America and tangibly move things in a positive direction. He's literally said that he would veto M4A--not that that's relevant considering most senate democrats don't even support it. Mitch McConnell spent the entire Obama presidency trying to stop anything from happening. We can't go through that again. Obviously all the details are never going to be 100% public, but has there ever been any indication from Biden, Warnock, or Ossoff that they would support some of the stranger ideas coming out of the left?

And just looking at the candidates on the content of their character, do you really think that Loeffler and Perdue are good people who will put aside politics for the good of America? I seriously doubt it.

To be fair though, you don't think Murkowski, Romney or Collins would be willing to break ranks to pass legislation on specific areas?

Maybe if it was brought up to a vote, but I doubt they'd actually defy McConnell and force a vote on a bill they support. Actually defying leadership is pretty rare and I don't trust McConnell to ever act in good faith.

[7,052,770]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

I've been starting to think this as well. Biden strikes me as pretty sensible and with a narrow majority I would think the Ds would tailor their policies accordingly.

I agree. I mean, he's made it very clear what policies he stands for and that he is eager to unite America and tangibly move things in a positive direction. He's literally said that he would veto M4A--not that that's relevant considering most senate democrats don't even support it. Mitch McConnell spent the entire Obama presidency trying to stop anything from happening. We can't go through that again. Obviously all the details are never going to be 100% public, but has there ever been any indication from Biden, Warnock, or Ossoff that they would support some of the stranger ideas coming out of the left?

And just looking at the candidates on the content of their character, do you really think that Loeffler and Perdue are good people who will put aside politics for the good of America? I seriously doubt it.

To be fair though, you don't think Murkowski, Romney or Collins would be willing to break ranks to pass legislation on specific areas?

Unless by "break ranks" you mean switch to caucusing with the Democrats, they'll never get that chance because nothing can be voted on without the Majority Leader putting up for one.

[Pericles]

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1335376629653254146
This is beyond cultish. How are people going to react on 1/20?

Not surprised. These people love to vote. In a close race though, it may come down to just a few thousand people skipping the runoffs because they don’t trust the system. My guess is this is a tactic by the GOP to draw attention to the race and turn their voters out.

I think the risk is that doing this will actually turn off less Trumpy voters who still voted for Trump. There are still a number of those voters even in areas that already heavily swung to Biden. I was talking with my dad about the election today (he still voted for Trump but not because of any love for the candidate) and he's thinking about abstaining from the runoffs because he's just disgusted with the national GOP throwing local Rs under the bus just because they didn't like the election results.

Hmm. very interesting point. It does seem, like the GOP is starting to split in this race between the full Trumpists and the lighter supporters. I think if they want to win, they're ultimate message has to be a check on Biden, which can be interpreted as preventing Biden from overreaching or stopping this country from become socialists or whatever. Focusing too much on the 2020 results isn't worth it because it creates an unnecessary fracture in their base.

Completely agreed. A winning R strategy imo would be to message that they will check the far left impulses but also work constructively with Biden to get legislation passed. Making the runoffs a referendum on Trump risks turning off the same voters that flipped the state for Biden as well as reluctant Trump supporters.

They didn't demonstrate that ability with President Obama, so why trust empty promises now? Their obstructionism hampered the economic recovery from the GFC so it took longer to recover. Now, a big stimulus is needed. If the holdup is because of Democrats, then they were trying to damage the other party's President and of course Republicans will do the same. If the holdup is due to Republicans genuinely opposing stimulus, then they will be even stronger in that position with Biden as President instead of Trump. Either way, a Democratic trifecta is needed to get constructive legislation like a big enough stimulus passed.

[South Dakota Democrat]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

Court packing and green new deal won't happen and I dont know what the heroes act is but we are definitely passing PR and DC statehood and ending the filibuster of we win the senate

Manchin already said he won't support ending the filibuster EVEN if Democrats take the Senate. Manchin wouldn't support PR & D.C. Statehood either! Dianne Feinstein also came out against ending the filibuster!

Excessive exclamation points just make everything you say sound silly.

[South Dakota Democrat]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

Court packing and green new deal won't happen and I dont know what the heroes act is but we are definitely passing PR and DC statehood and ending the filibuster of we win the senate

Manchin already said he won't support ending the filibuster EVEN if Democrats take the Senate. Manchin wouldn't support PR & D.C. Statehood either! Dianne Feinstein also came out against ending the filibuster!

Manchin will NOT stand in the way of DC statehood, and it's absurd to suggest that he would see no problem with Americans being locked out of representation on partisan grounds.

If Warnock and Ossoff win, the only question is whether Douglass is admitted in January or February.

Democrats would need to end the filibuster in the Senate to pass D. C. Statehood House Bill. You need 60 Votes for that and both Manchin & Feinstein said that they won't end it so what are you smoking here.

Several Democrats also said they would never vote for amnesty and voted against comprehensive reform in 2006 and 2007. That is until their vote was needed in 2013 and Harry Reid gave them a call...

You seriously banking everything on Manchin or Feinstein?

(whisper) 2016 isn't very smart...

[Cashew]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

I've been starting to think this as well. Biden strikes me as pretty sensible and with a narrow majority I would think the Ds would tailor their policies accordingly.

I agree. I mean, he's made it very clear what policies he stands for and that he is eager to unite America and tangibly move things in a positive direction. He's literally said that he would veto M4A--not that that's relevant considering most senate democrats don't even support it. Mitch McConnell spent the entire Obama presidency trying to stop anything from happening. We can't go through that again. Obviously all the details are never going to be 100% public, but has there ever been any indication from Biden, Warnock, or Ossoff that they would support some of the stranger ideas coming out of the left?

And just looking at the candidates on the content of their character, do you really think that Loeffler and Perdue are good people who will put aside politics for the good of America? I seriously doubt it.

To be fair though, you don't think Murkowski, Romney or Collins would be willing to break ranks to pass legislation on specific areas?

Murkowski and Romney maybe, but Collins will never cast the deciding vote against her party unless McConnell tells her to.

[Pericles]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

I've been starting to think this as well. Biden strikes me as pretty sensible and with a narrow majority I would think the Ds would tailor their policies accordingly.

I agree. I mean, he's made it very clear what policies he stands for and that he is eager to unite America and tangibly move things in a positive direction. He's literally said that he would veto M4A--not that that's relevant considering most senate democrats don't even support it. Mitch McConnell spent the entire Obama presidency trying to stop anything from happening. We can't go through that again. Obviously all the details are never going to be 100% public, but has there ever been any indication from Biden, Warnock, or Ossoff that they would support some of the stranger ideas coming out of the left?

And just looking at the candidates on the content of their character, do you really think that Loeffler and Perdue are good people who will put aside politics for the good of America? I seriously doubt it.

To be fair though, you don't think Murkowski, Romney or Collins would be willing to break ranks to pass legislation on specific areas?

Murkowski and Romney maybe, but Collins will never cast the deciding vote against her party unless McConnell tells her to.

Are we 100% sure it was an accident that she cast the deciding vote against Obamacare repeal, not knowing McCain would also oppose it? Or maybe she would have opposed it regardless?

[MillennialModerate]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

I've been starting to think this as well. Biden strikes me as pretty sensible and with a narrow majority I would think the Ds would tailor their policies accordingly.

I agree. I mean, he's made it very clear what policies he stands for and that he is eager to unite America and tangibly move things in a positive direction. He's literally said that he would veto M4A--not that that's relevant considering most senate democrats don't even support it. Mitch McConnell spent the entire Obama presidency trying to stop anything from happening. We can't go through that again. Obviously all the details are never going to be 100% public, but has there ever been any indication from Biden, Warnock, or Ossoff that they would support some of the stranger ideas coming out of the left?

And just looking at the candidates on the content of their character, do you really think that Loeffler and Perdue are good people who will put aside politics for the good of America? I seriously doubt it.

To be fair though, you don't think Murkowski, Romney or Collins would be willing to break ranks to pass legislation on specific areas?

Murkowski and Romney maybe, but Collins will never cast the deciding vote against her party unless McConnell tells her to.

Agreed. I have 10x more respect for Murkowski and Romney - they are what they say they are. Collins bipartisan bullsh**t act clearly has Maine Democrats fooled

[ProgressiveModerate]

There are just so many unknowns in this race; I feel like a lopsided result is very possible, but with the data we have, we’ll we really just don’t have enough to pinpoint much. After 2020, polls may be correct or may be 10% off, rendering them somewhat useless; the few polls we have are all over the place. I hate the ambiguity. I’m going to try to see if I can do them math today to see which counties have high share of these 6.6% of new voters, since 6.6% is not an insignificant amount; I’ll look at Clayton first since that’s probably the most Democratic county with 100k+ people in GA. What other counties would be good to analyze?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Rs are forfeiting their right to this seat by stonewalling on the 1200 Stimulus checks and Trump Election fraud charges

[South Dakota Democrat]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

I've been starting to think this as well. Biden strikes me as pretty sensible and with a narrow majority I would think the Ds would tailor their policies accordingly.

I agree. I mean, he's made it very clear what policies he stands for and that he is eager to unite America and tangibly move things in a positive direction. He's literally said that he would veto M4A--not that that's relevant considering most senate democrats don't even support it. Mitch McConnell spent the entire Obama presidency trying to stop anything from happening. We can't go through that again. Obviously all the details are never going to be 100% public, but has there ever been any indication from Biden, Warnock, or Ossoff that they would support some of the stranger ideas coming out of the left?

And just looking at the candidates on the content of their character, do you really think that Loeffler and Perdue are good people who will put aside politics for the good of America? I seriously doubt it.

To be fair though, you don't think Murkowski, Romney or Collins would be willing to break ranks to pass legislation on specific areas?

It doesn't really matter if you have the votes to pass a piece of legislation/approve a nominee, if it never comes up for a vote.  The majority leader controls the agenda.

[brucejoel99]

IMO it doesn't matter who controls the Senate.

The Democrats Dream that they can do "New Green Deal" "Court Packing" "D. C. & PR Statehood" "Ending Filibuster" pass "Heroes Act" are non existent with a 50-50 Senate and a best-case scenario 224-211 House.

Just not going to happen! Biden needed a bigger Congressional Margin to do that (Obama 2009).

I've been starting to think this as well. Biden strikes me as pretty sensible and with a narrow majority I would think the Ds would tailor their policies accordingly.

I agree. I mean, he's made it very clear what policies he stands for and that he is eager to unite America and tangibly move things in a positive direction. He's literally said that he would veto M4A--not that that's relevant considering most senate democrats don't even support it. Mitch McConnell spent the entire Obama presidency trying to stop anything from happening. We can't go through that again. Obviously all the details are never going to be 100% public, but has there ever been any indication from Biden, Warnock, or Ossoff that they would support some of the stranger ideas coming out of the left?

And just looking at the candidates on the content of their character, do you really think that Loeffler and Perdue are good people who will put aside politics for the good of America? I seriously doubt it.

To be fair though, you don't think Murkowski, Romney or Collins would be willing to break ranks to pass legislation on specific areas?

Murkowski and Romney maybe, but Collins will never cast the deciding vote against her party unless McConnell tells her to.

Are we 100% sure it was an accident that she cast the deciding vote against Obamacare repeal, not knowing McCain would also oppose it? Or maybe she would have opposed it regardless?

She literally lobbied him to vote no. Collins sucks 99.9% of the time, yeah, but gotta give credit where credit's due, because she did actually work to save Obamacare.

[ProgressiveModerate]

Wonder how the debate will go; maybe they’ll be some huge gaffe that ultimately has no impact

[Benjamin Frank]

Kelly Loeffler is asking for votes to 'stop socialism.'

But, Kelly Loeffler, as co-owner of the Atlanta Dream WNBA team benefited from the 3% tax placed on car rentals in Georgia that financed $62.5 million of the building of the then named Philips Arena which the Atlanta Dream played in from 2008-2016 (the team moved out when Philips Arena was renovated.)

It seems pretty clear that Kelly Loeffler was for socialism before she was against it, and that she was specifically for socialism when it benefited her personally.

[VAR]

https://twitter.com/ossoff/status/1335704223342878722

[KaiserDave]

https://twitter.com/ossoff/status/1335704223342878722

Rip Perdue Chicken

[VAR]

https://twitter.com/PerdueChicken/status/1330911856630898688

[KaiserDave]

Okay Ossoff has to be trolling

[WD]

A moment of silence for Perdue Chicken.

[GALeftist]

Loeffler is astoundingly uncharismatic.

[KaiserDave]

My God.

There's no way Loeffler is a human being. 100% a robot or lizard.

[VAR]

Loeffler is astoundingly uncharismatic.

At least she's actually debating her opponent.