COVID-19 Megathread 5: The Trumps catch COVID-19

[Mr. Reactionary]

I would like to see mask wearing become less taboo, it's downright fashionable and cool in Asia.

Here comes Grace in her mint green Louis Vuitton surgical mask. Very fashionable.

[JA]

So....

Does anyone else think we've massively misplayed this.

No. We haven’t even seen the worst of what this virus will do yet. Being asymptomatic doesn’t shelter you from all of the possible consequences of acquiring this virus, many of which we likely don’t even know about yet. For example, if you are a young male and have acquired the virus, you may want to visit a fertility doctor (after you recover).

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1258488918036676609?s=21

[It’s so Joever]

If you want to know the difference between our lockdown and Spain’s, here it is.
This is your daily reminder that had we adopted something like this back in Mid-March when I wanted to, (instead of making an inefficient compromise which just will hurt us and the economy more) we would be able to safely reopen without killing more people than Vietnam.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/07/sorry-americans-you-havent-even-had-real-lockdown-yet-coronavirus-spain/

[GP270watch]

I would like to see mask wearing become less taboo, it's downright fashionable and cool in Asia.

Here comes Grace in her mint green Louis Vuitton surgical mask. Very fashionable.

 A protective mask against flu and virus bothers you but you're one of these "open carry" supporting people. That's pretty hilarious.

[The Free North]

So....

Does anyone else think we've massively misplayed this.

No, I don't think meat packers tend to be that elderly. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

^This. Meat packers tend to be below fifty, and have a physical job that requires a degree of physical fitness. They are literally the worst possible group to draw the kind of assumptions that The Free North is making. The OP is clearly just looking for data that fits a specific narrative.

The average age at plants across the US is 40 (https://datausa.io/profile/soc/food-processing-workers-all-other#employment). The median US age is 38.

[Smeulders]

So....

Does anyone else think we've massively misplayed this.

No, I don't think meat packers tend to be that elderly. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

^This. Meat packers tend to be below fifty, and have a physical job that requires a degree of physical fitness. They are literally the worst possible group to draw the kind of assumptions that The Free North is making. The OP is clearly just looking for data that fits a specific narrative.

There is a mountain of data showing what this epidemic to whole countries with regards to hospitalisation and mortality, but look at this little mole-hill of a single plant! (Please ignore that this is a healthy population, and ignore that the onset of symptoms is after people start testing positive).

[Grassroots]

I am rejecting all handshakes, that's dead for a very longtime.

I see no reason why handshakes wouldn't return to norm after this pandemic ends.

[GeorgiaModerate]

I am rejecting all handshakes, that's dead for a very longtime.

I see no reason why handshakes wouldn't return to norm after this pandemic ends.

I think it's likely that more people will decline to shake hands, although I don't expect them to disappear entirely.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1258829831879430149

[GP270watch]

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1258829831879430149

Straight babble.

[T'Chenka]

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1258829831879430149

So, the implication is that "it will go away without tests", so... no increase in testing after the first wave to keep track of where/when a second wave might be starting? This clown doesn't take a day off, it's just 24/7 carnival music.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I would like to see mask wearing become less taboo, it's downright fashionable and cool in Asia.

Here comes Grace in her mint green Louis Vuitton surgical mask. Very fashionable.

 A protective mask against flu and virus bothers you but you're one of these "open carry" supporting people. That's pretty hilarious.

It doesn't bother me. People can choose to wear or carry whatever legal item they want as far as im concerned. But yeah I think its an absolute joke to claim surgical masks are "fashionable and cool". People are wearing these ugly masks because they think its necessary for their health, not because they match Shaona's purse. Since Im pro-choice I guess by your logic that still makes me one of these "mask wearing " supporting people as well. See, I don't freak out over the exercise of fundamental rights like those who claim seeing someone carry a gun is "violence".

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1258829831879430149

So, the implication is that "it will go away without tests", so... no increase in testing after the first wave to keep track of where/when a second wave might be starting? This clown doesn't take a day off, it's just 24/7 carnival music.

It's ever more apparent that everyone has been giving Mr. Trump far too much credit for his handling of the pandemic. It's not just that he's incompetent, it's that has no true comprehension of anything involving the pandemic or the response to it, and lacks the self-awareness to even recognize that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Donald Trump is indistinguishable from a poorly programmed Chinese room.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896

[It’s so Joever]

Hm.....looks like a severe lung disease also has long term effects, even if it doesn’t kill you...who would have guessed?
You know, this was all preventable. Both Chinese and American governments need to be investigated for crimes against humanity.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms

[T'Chenka]

I would like to see mask wearing become less taboo, it's downright fashionable and cool in Asia.

Here comes Grace in her mint green Louis Vuitton surgical mask. Very fashionable.

 A protective mask against flu and virus bothers you but you're one of these "open carry" supporting people. That's pretty hilarious.

It doesn't bother me. People can choose to wear or carry whatever legal item they want as far as im concerned. But yeah I think its an absolute joke to claim surgical masks are "fashionable and cool". People are wearing these ugly masks because they think its necessary for their health, not because they match Shaona's purse. Since Im pro-choice I guess by your logic that still makes me one of these "mask wearing " supporting people as well. See, I don't freak out over the exercise of fundamental rights like those who claim seeing someone carry a gun is "violence".

So, if I'm following your logic correctly here, it isn't "violent" to carry around a power drill, handcuffs and choloroform, even say, in a back alley near night clubs at 3AM?

[QAnonKelly]

I think Katie Miller gets infected with an even worse virus on the regular if you know what I'm saying.

[It’s so Joever]

Not directly related to US, but a huge deal if true: Now there are reports the first Covid19 case in France could be dating back to November 2019. For reference, the PRC informed WHO on December 31. Haven't seen US media picking this up yet, but if confirmed, we may be talking about a much earlier spread in the US and elsewhere.

I've been saying this for a while, I don't know if it was like this where you guys live but here, EVERYONE was sick like constantly between November and mid-late January. Like, it seemed like everyone I knew (including my wife and myself) got sick with weird respiratory sh**t back during the winter, and everyone I know who went to the doctor for it said they tested for the flu but it wasn't the flu, just "unknown upper respiratory infection" was the diagnosis.

I really think this has been going around longer than people realize, and everyone was fine.

Maybe....or it could have been one of thousands of viruses which cause upper respiratory infections.
Considering the sudden spikes in mortality in known Covid hotspots, I don’t think this is as likely as people say. There certainly may have been some transmission earlier than we thought, but I doubt most Americans have had Covid.
Of course, as usual I hope you are right.

[Calthrina950]

I think Katie Miller gets infected with an even worse virus on the regular if you know what I'm saying.

I didn't even know that she was Stephen Miller's wife, but then again, the last name should have been a hint. It's astonishing that this cretin is one of the few remaining original advisers in the Trump White House, alongside Kellyanne Conway, who is someone I thought would have been gone by now.

[Tintrlvr]

The new positives rate (as a percentage of tests performed) in New York dropped below 10% for the first time since March 8 (when there were only 307 tests and 22 positives) today. Progress continues to be made here.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I would like to see mask wearing become less taboo, it's downright fashionable and cool in Asia.

Here comes Grace in her mint green Louis Vuitton surgical mask. Very fashionable.

 A protective mask against flu and virus bothers you but you're one of these "open carry" supporting people. That's pretty hilarious.

It doesn't bother me. People can choose to wear or carry whatever legal item they want as far as im concerned. But yeah I think its an absolute joke to claim surgical masks are "fashionable and cool". People are wearing these ugly masks because they think its necessary for their health, not because they match Shaona's purse. Since Im pro-choice I guess by your logic that still makes me one of these "mask wearing " supporting people as well. See, I don't freak out over the exercise of fundamental rights like those who claim seeing someone carry a gun is "violence".

So, if I'm following your logic correctly here, it isn't "violent" to carry around a power drill, handcuffs and choloroform, even say, in a back alley near night clubs at 3AM?

Not at all. If you were merely doing that in a public alley directly adjacent to a night club at 3 AM and a cop arrested you for it, I'd certainly take your case. Absent express threats, vocal or physical, (and I don't consider passive carrying a physical threat) for all I know, you are a performance artist, a prop comic, an eccentric, a kink, coming from a theme party, moving some of your stuff from one location to another, lots of likelier options than kidnapper (who uses something as dumb as a drill for a weapon rather than a gun?)... we have a local crank where I live who occasionally walks his dog with a sheathed samurai sword slung over his shoulder. Most people just roll their eyes and laugh. No one is going to pay something as portable and ubiquitous as a power drill a second glance. Visible handcuffs would likely suggest you are LEO. The chloroform would have to be large print for anyone to know what it was. And if it was in large print it would resemble more of a prop than anything since chemical labels don't look like that. And even if I did see a guy with all 3 items (in the dark at 3AM), and then assumed he was an evil kidnapper and felt scared, again so what? If he wasn't a kidnapper and didn't attempt to kidnap me or say point his drill at me and cycle it, what crime has been committed? Certainly not the "terrorism" that some of the alarmists on here espouse.

[GP270watch]

I would like to see mask wearing become less taboo, it's downright fashionable and cool in Asia.

Here comes Grace in her mint green Louis Vuitton surgical mask. Very fashionable.

 A protective mask against flu and virus bothers you but you're one of these "open carry" supporting people. That's pretty hilarious.

It doesn't bother me. People can choose to wear or carry whatever legal item they want as far as im concerned. But yeah I think its an absolute joke to claim surgical masks are "fashionable and cool". People are wearing these ugly masks because they think its necessary for their health, not because they match Shaona's purse. Since Im pro-choice I guess by your logic that still makes me one of these "mask wearing " supporting people as well. See, I don't freak out over the exercise of fundamental rights like those who claim seeing someone carry a gun is "violence".

So, if I'm following your logic correctly here, it isn't "violent" to carry around a power drill, handcuffs and choloroform, even say, in a back alley near night clubs at 3AM?

Not at all. If you were merely doing that in a public alley directly adjacent to a night club at 3 AM and a cop arrested you for it, I'd certainly take your case. Absent express threats, vocal or physical, (and I don't consider passive carrying a physical threat) for all I know, you are a performance artist, a prop comic, an eccentric, a kink, coming from a theme party, moving some of your stuff from one location to another, lots of likelier options than kidnapper (who uses something as dumb as a drill for a weapon rather than a gun?)... we have a local crank where I live who occasionally walks his dog with a sheathed samurai sword slung over his shoulder. Most people just roll their eyes and laugh. No one is going to pay something as portable and ubiquitous as a power drill a second glance. Visible handcuffs would likely suggest you are LEO. The chloroform would have to be large print for anyone to know what it was. And if it was in large print it would resemble more of a prop than anything since chemical labels don't look like that. And even if I did see a guy with all 3 items (in the dark at 3AM), and then assumed he was an evil kidnapper and felt scared, again so what? If he wasn't a kidnapper and didn't attempt to kidnap me or say point his drill at me and cycle it, what crime has been committed? Certainly not the "terrorism" that some of the alarmists on here espouse.

Mr. Reactionary is "pro rape-kit". I think it's silly to contraband everyday items BTW. And even support gun ownership but with a way higher burden/responsibility of ownership and way more government record keeping and regulation.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

So....

Does anyone else think we've massively misplayed this.

No, I don't think meat packers tend to be that elderly. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

^This. Meat packers tend to be below fifty, and have a physical job that requires a degree of physical fitness. They are literally the worst possible group to draw the kind of assumptions that The Free North is making. The OP is clearly just looking for data that fits a specific narrative.

The relatively benign outcomes we are observing from outbreaks like this are indeed a sign that we are going about this all wrong. 

If we are going for herd immunity, we will save hundred of thousands of lives by achieving it through voluntary deliberately infection of young and healthy people, as opposed to just continuing to let it spread randomly.  You might reduce deaths in the long run by more than 90%.

[GP270watch]

So....

Does anyone else think we've massively misplayed this.

No, I don't think meat packers tend to be that elderly. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

^This. Meat packers tend to be below fifty, and have a physical job that requires a degree of physical fitness. They are literally the worst possible group to draw the kind of assumptions that The Free North is making. The OP is clearly just looking for data that fits a specific narrative.

The relatively benign outcomes we are observing from outbreaks like this are indeed a sign that we are going about this all wrong. 

If we are going for herd immunity, we will save hundred of thousands of lives by achieving it through voluntary deliberately infection of young and healthy people, as opposed to just continuing to let it spread randomly.  You might reduce deaths in the long run by more than 90%.

 This plan sounds stupid. You can't predict what will happen as assuredly as you can with other types of modeling and we don't even know what the long term effects of this virus are. This would also take massive co-ordination to protect those vulnerable and our critical infrastructure. The Federal response has been incompetent to do the most basic things. What makes you think they could guide anything this ambitious if it even was a good idea, which it doesn't seem to be from all the evidence we have.

[JA]

https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/status/1258790040018313217?s=21

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1258782599918637057