Israeli General Election (2nd of March, 2020): Madness

[America Needs R'hllor]

The musical chairs on the right continue, as Smotrich joins with New Right. Peretz now has to decide if he's joining again or going alone with Otzma.

Yep. Looks like the door is open for Peretz but not for Ben Gvir. This is an exceedingly dumb move imo- the Jewish Home has a serious risk of not passing the threshold. But the level of pettiness is impressive- Peretz betrayed Smotrich by signing an agreement with Otzma behind his back, so now Smotrich is signing with Bennet behind Peretz's back.

[Hnv1]

The musical chairs on the right continue, as Smotrich joins with New Right. Peretz now has to decide if he's joining again or going alone with Otzma.

I know right wing voters who will be deterred from voting the NU in. Shame for the NR, they could have capitalized on Likud voters disillusioned with Bibi but not wanting to go to Gantz

[America Needs R'hllor]

Taking the cake for the most deplorable party in this election, somehow even exceeding the fascist-theocratic union of the Jewish Home and Otzma: Larisa Trimbuvler, the wife of Rabin's murderer Yigal Amir, founded a new party named "Just Trial" that explicitly demands a retrial for Amir and "other innocent prisoners", as well as the usual bs of "judicial reform".
Obviously, no chance to pass the threshold.

[Continential]

Taking the cake for the most deplorable party in this election, somehow even exceeding the fascist-theocratic union of the Jewish Home and Otzma: Larisa Trimbuvler, the wife of Rabin's murderer Yigal Amir, founded a new party named "Just Trial" that explicitly demands a retrial for Amir and "other innocent prisoners", as well as the usual bs of "judicial reform".
Obviously, no chance to pass the threshold.

Why do people think that Amir didn't kill Rabin?

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

Taking the cake for the most deplorable party in this election, somehow even exceeding the fascist-theocratic union of the Jewish Home and Otzma: Larisa Trimbuvler, the wife of Rabin's murderer Yigal Amir, founded a new party named "Just Trial" that explicitly demands a retrial for Amir and "other innocent prisoners", as well as the usual bs of "judicial reform".
Obviously, no chance to pass the threshold.

Why do people think that Amir didn't kill Rabin?

never underestimate hard-right crazies' ability to deny the obvious truth

[Hnv1]

Taking the cake for the most deplorable party in this election, somehow even exceeding the fascist-theocratic union of the Jewish Home and Otzma: Larisa Trimbuvler, the wife of Rabin's murderer Yigal Amir, founded a new party named "Just Trial" that explicitly demands a retrial for Amir and "other innocent prisoners", as well as the usual bs of "judicial reform".
Obviously, no chance to pass the threshold.

Why do people think that Amir didn't kill Rabin?

The fringes of the far right believe he was pushed to do so by an undercover agent of the internal intelligence service.

The fringe of the fringe of the fringe believe in even wilder theories.

But deep down they just think he did anything wrong

[Hnv1]

Former Zehut incels are now running in 2 different micro parties. The New Liberal Party & Liberal and economic strength party. The latter more edgy with some weed activist currently in jail as number 2.

Both will take 10-20K votes from the right mostly.

While we’re at it can we add another Atlas color for Liberals who dislike libertarians?

[America Needs R'hllor]

Former Zehut incels are now running in 2 different micro parties. The New Liberal Party & Liberal and economic strength party. The latter more edgy with some weed activist currently in jail as number 2.

Both will take 10-20K votes from the right mostly.

While we’re at it can we add another Atlas color for Liberals who dislike libertarians?

I've heard about the latter, lead by Gilad Alper (Zehut #2 so pretty prominent in libertarian circles). What about the New Liberals? Haven't heard of them.

Also, I'm compelled to be edgy and say the D avatar is for you, but we need to keep some ORDER among the Israeli posters (hint hint Danny go R! hint)

[Hnv1]

Former Zehut incels are now running in 2 different micro parties. The New Liberal Party & Liberal and economic strength party. The latter more edgy with some weed activist currently in jail as number 2.

Both will take 10-20K votes from the right mostly.

While we’re at it can we add another Atlas color for Liberals who dislike libertarians?

I've heard about the latter, lead by Gilad Alper (Zehut #2 so pretty prominent in libertarian circles). What about the New Liberals? Haven't heard of them.

Also, I'm compelled to be edgy and say the D avatar is for you, but we need to keep some ORDER among the Israeli posters (hint hint Danny go R! hint)

The new Liberals are led by Libby Molad who was number 3 Zehut with the rest of the Zehut crew. Oh and the support of Prof. Omer Moav. They’re more “serious”

How is a JL voter who dislikes Marxism a D? Maybe I should go O? Existential crisis here

[Walmart_shopper]

Former Zehut incels are now running in 2 different micro parties. The New Liberal Party & Liberal and economic strength party. The latter more edgy with some weed activist currently in jail as number 2.

Both will take 10-20K votes from the right mostly.

While we’re at it can we add another Atlas color for Liberals who dislike libertarians?

I've heard about the latter, lead by Gilad Alper (Zehut #2 so pretty prominent in libertarian circles). What about the New Liberals? Haven't heard of them.

Also, I'm compelled to be edgy and say the D avatar is for you, but we need to keep some ORDER among the Israeli posters (hint hint Danny go R! hint)

The new Liberals are led by Libby Molad who was number 3 Zehut with the rest of the Zehut crew. Oh and the support of Prof. Omer Moav. They’re more “serious”

How is a JL voter who dislikes Marxism a D? Maybe I should go O? Existential crisis here

My politics are way weirder than yours, so I just stick with my indy avatar.

[America Needs R'hllor]

According to a friend, Meretz officially accepted the Labour union proposal and the proposal for Yair Golan and Yaya Fink's places in the list.

Former Zehut incels are now running in 2 different micro parties. The New Liberal Party & Liberal and economic strength party. The latter more edgy with some weed activist currently in jail as number 2.

Both will take 10-20K votes from the right mostly.

While we’re at it can we add another Atlas color for Liberals who dislike libertarians?

I've heard about the latter, lead by Gilad Alper (Zehut #2 so pretty prominent in libertarian circles). What about the New Liberals? Haven't heard of them.

Also, I'm compelled to be edgy and say the D avatar is for you, but we need to keep some ORDER among the Israeli posters (hint hint Danny go R! hint)

The new Liberals are led by Libby Molad who was number 3 Zehut with the rest of the Zehut crew. Oh and the support of Prof. Omer Moav. They’re more “serious”

How is a JL voter who dislikes Marxism a D? Maybe I should go O? Existential crisis here

Either an O, or a G like you used to be because green is the Joint List color?

[jaymichaud]

The musical chairs on the right continue, as Smotrich joins with New Right. Peretz now has to decide if he's joining again or going alone with Otzma.

If he was acting in his best interests he'd try and reunify Yamina without Otzma. He's a pretty bad politician with no actually appealing qualities to begin with, he could do without the negative PR on top of that.

[Hnv1]

Meretz and Labour are now officially together. Anyone knows how many historical parties have immersed in this move? (It’s much more than 10)

[jaymichaud]

Meretz and Labour are now officially together. Anyone knows how many historical parties have immersed in this move? (It’s much more than 10)

Ratz
Mapam
Mapai
?

[Hnv1]

Meretz and Labour are now officially together. Anyone knows how many historical parties have immersed in this move? (It’s much more than 10)

Ratz
Mapam
Mapai
?

That’s the easy ones. I got to 19

[Boobs]

Meretz and Labour are now officially together. Anyone knows how many historical parties have immersed in this move? (It’s much more than 10)

Depends on how pedantic we want to get.

From the top:

Labor-Gesher-Meretz

Easiest one first: Gesher (1)
From Orly Levy: Yisrael Beiteinu (2)

Democratic Union (3)
Meretz (4)
-Ratz (5)
--Ya'ad-Civil Rights Movement (6)
--Left Camp of Israel (7)
---Independent Socialist Faction (8 )
---Meri (9)
---Moked (10)
----Maki (11)
-----Hebrew Communists (12)
-----Palestine Communist Party (13)
-----National Liberation League (14)
----Siah (15)
---Black Panthers (16)
-Mapam (17)
--Hashomer Hatzair (18)
---Socialist League of Palestine (19)
--Poale Zion (20)
-Shinui (21)
--Dash (22)

Democratic Israel (23)
From Ehud Barak: Independence  (24)

Democratic Choice (25)
-Yisrael BaAliyah (26)

Avoda (27)
Mapai (28)
-Ahdut haAvoda (29)
-Hapoel Hatzair (30)
Rafi (31)

From Labor alliances:
HaMaarakh (32)
One Israel (33)
Zionist Union (34)

From Amir Peretz:
One Nation (35)
Hatnuah (36)
- Hetz (37)

Possible additions: Kadima from Hatnuah, Likud from Kadima , Greens from DU and Hatnuah, Meimad from Greens. Possibly Kulanu from Avi Gabbay, if we're being silly, and Likud again from Kulanu, and then all of the Likud historical bullsh**t. And we can even get all of Mapam's Arab and other satellites.

[Continential]

Former Zehut incels are now running in 2 different micro parties. The New Liberal Party & Liberal and economic strength party. The latter more edgy with some weed activist currently in jail as number 2.

Both will take 10-20K votes from the right mostly.

While we’re at it can we add another Atlas color for Liberals who dislike libertarians?

I've heard about the latter, lead by Gilad Alper (Zehut #2 so pretty prominent in libertarian circles). What about the New Liberals? Haven't heard of them.

Also, I'm compelled to be edgy and say the D avatar is for you, but we need to keep some ORDER among the Israeli posters (hint hint Danny go R! hint)

The new Liberals are led by Libby Molad who was number 3 Zehut with the rest of the Zehut crew. Oh and the support of Prof. Omer Moav. They’re more “serious”

How is a JL voter who dislikes Marxism a D? Maybe I should go O? Existential crisis here

My politics are way weirder than yours, so I just stick with my indy avatar.

Why do you support Joint List instead of something more mainstream like Meretz or Labor?

[danny]

Also, I'm compelled to be edgy and say the D avatar is for you, but we need to keep some ORDER among the Israeli posters (hint hint Danny go R! hint)

Avatars are about US politics, and I'm not a fan of the Republican party.

[America Needs R'hllor]

So, in Saturday (before the union was clear) I made a prediction about the list of such a union (correctly assuming it's without Shaffir):



Let's see how close I came compared to the actual list:
1. Amir Peretz (Labour)
2. Nitzan Horovitz (Meretz)- real place: 3
3. Orly Levy-Abekasis (Gesher)- real place: 2
4. Itzik Shmuli (Labour)- real place: 5
5. Tamar Zandberg (Meretz)- real place: 4
6. Merav Michaeli (Labour)
7. Yair Golan (Democratic Israel)
8. Omer Bar-Lev (Labour)- real place: 9
9. Ilan Gilon (Meretz)- real place: 8
10. Revital Swid (Labour)
11. Isawi Farij (Meretz)
12. Hagai Reznik (Gesher)
13. Eran Hermoni (Labour)
14. Mossi Raz (Meretz)
15. Salah Sa'ad (Labour)- real place: 16 (Yaya Fink from Barak's party is 15th)

So I made a lot of mistakes for the first places, but the last ones turned out pretty accurate. All of the mistakes are a difference of one place. Was especially surprised by Fink remaining on the list and Orly being placed second. Not that impressive considering that it's just a union between two lists, but yeah.

[jaymichaud]

Direct Polls Poll 14/01/2019

Blue & White - 34
Likud - 32
Joint List - 13
Labor-Gesher-Meretz - 10
Yisrael Beiteinu - 8
United Torah Judaism - 8
Shas - 8
New Right-National Union - 7
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United Jewish Home - 2.4%
Green Party - 2.3%

Left of center bloc - 57
Right of center bloc - 55
Yisrael Beiteinu - 8

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/274560

[jaymichaud]

Direct Polls Poll 14/01/2019

Blue & White - 34
Likud - 32
Joint List - 13
Labor-Gesher-Meretz - 10
Yisrael Beiteinu - 8
United Torah Judaism - 8
Shas - 8
New Right-National Union - 7
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United Jewish Home - 2.4%
Green Party - 2.3%

Left of center bloc - 57
Right of center bloc - 55
Yisrael Beiteinu - 8

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/274560

Interesting how Likud haven't won a single poll this election cycle. Even 2 months before the September election they were winning over half of them. I can predict there'll be a few meltdowns in their camp prior to March.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Direct Polls Poll 14/01/2019

Blue & White - 34
Likud - 32
Joint List - 13
Labor-Gesher-Meretz - 10
Yisrael Beiteinu - 8
United Torah Judaism - 8
Shas - 8
New Right-National Union - 7
--------------------------------
United Jewish Home - 2.4%
Green Party - 2.3%

Left of center bloc - 57
Right of center bloc - 55
Yisrael Beiteinu - 8

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/274560

Oh wow that's high. In the real world it's probably lower but good to see Shaffir has some support. She won't run unless she actually passes the threshold, but I think it's safe to say that if we had a 2 Seat threshold like we used to, we could very well have our first Green Party entering the Knesset independently.

[Walmart_shopper]

Former Zehut incels are now running in 2 different micro parties. The New Liberal Party & Liberal and economic strength party. The latter more edgy with some weed activist currently in jail as number 2.

Both will take 10-20K votes from the right mostly.

While we’re at it can we add another Atlas color for Liberals who dislike libertarians?

I've heard about the latter, lead by Gilad Alper (Zehut #2 so pretty prominent in libertarian circles). What about the New Liberals? Haven't heard of them.

Also, I'm compelled to be edgy and say the D avatar is for you, but we need to keep some ORDER among the Israeli posters (hint hint Danny go R! hint)

The new Liberals are led by Libby Molad who was number 3 Zehut with the rest of the Zehut crew. Oh and the support of Prof. Omer Moav. They’re more “serious”

How is a JL voter who dislikes Marxism a D? Maybe I should go O? Existential crisis here

My politics are way weirder than yours, so I just stick with my indy avatar.

Why do you support Joint List instead of something more mainstream like Meretz or Labor?

Because those parties are fixated on Jewish cultural issues like lgbt rights, the rabbinate, etc. (reflecting the unbearably narrow and insular lives of their supporters) while the Joint List is interested in totally reorienting Israeli society away from its ethnocentric way of operating. In other words, Meretz and to a lesser extent Labor want to recast Israel as a Jewish state in their own image (progressive, liberal, democratic, etc.). They want to maintain Jewish cultural and political supremacy, but the liberal, atheistic kind rather than the messianic, xenophobic kind championed by the right. To be clear, leftist Jewish ethnocentrism is much, much better than right wing Jewish ethnocentrism. But the Joint List is courageous enough to go farther than either and wants to recast Israel as the multi-ethnic, pluralistic, shared reality that it is.

[Walmart_shopper]

Direct Polls Poll 14/01/2019

Blue & White - 34
Likud - 32
Joint List - 13
Labor-Gesher-Meretz - 10
Yisrael Beiteinu - 8
United Torah Judaism - 8
Shas - 8
New Right-National Union - 7
--------------------------------
United Jewish Home - 2.4%
Green Party - 2.3%

Left of center bloc - 57
Right of center bloc - 55
Yisrael Beiteinu - 8

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/274560

Oh wow that's high. In the real world it's probably lower but good to see Shaffir has some support. She won't run unless she actually passes the threshold, but I think it's safe to say that if we had a 2 Seat threshold like we used to, we could very well have our first Green Party entering the Knesset independently.

While I don't think Jewish Home will clear the threshold, I also don't think that Shaffir on her own will nearly top their vote total. If she were really bringing two mandatea by herself the left and/or Blue and White would in reality be scooping her up in an instant.

[Hnv1]

Meretz and Labour are now officially together. Anyone knows how many historical parties have immersed in this move? (It’s much more than 10)

Depends on how pedantic we want to get.

From the top:

Labor-Gesher-Meretz

Easiest one first: Gesher (1)
From Orly Levy: Yisrael Beiteinu (2)

Democratic Union (3)
Meretz (4)
-Ratz (5)
--Ya'ad-Civil Rights Movement (6)
--Left Camp of Israel (7)
---Independent Socialist Faction (8 )
---Meri (9)
---Moked (10)
----Maki (11)
-----Hebrew Communists (12)
-----Palestine Communist Party (13)
-----National Liberation League (14)
----Siah (15)
---Black Panthers (16)
-Mapam (17)
--Hashomer Hatzair (18)
---Socialist League of Palestine (19)
--Poale Zion (20)
-Shinui (21)
--Dash (22)

Democratic Israel (23)
From Ehud Barak: Independence  (24)

Democratic Choice (25)
-Yisrael BaAliyah (26)

Avoda (27)
Mapai (28)
-Ahdut haAvoda (29)
-Hapoel Hatzair (30)
Rafi (31)

From Labor alliances:
HaMaarakh (32)
One Israel (33)
Zionist Union (34)

From Amir Peretz:
One Nation (35)
Hatnuah (36)
- Hetz (37)

Possible additions: Kadima from Hatnuah, Likud from Kadima , Greens from DU and Hatnuah, Meimad from Greens. Possibly Kulanu from Avi Gabbay, if we're being silly, and Likud again from Kulanu, and then all of the Likud historical bullsh**t. And we can even get all of Mapam's Arab and other satellites.

That’s more of genealogy than what I meant as formations actually absorbed by them over the years