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« Reply #725 on: April 10, 2019, 06:58:00 PM »
« edited: April 11, 2019, 07:50:39 AM by Sherrod Brown 2020 »

Clinton as Wilson

42. Bill Clinton/Douglas Wilder 1993-2001
43. Gordon Smith/George Pataki 2001-2003
44. George Pataki/vacant 2003, Donald Rumsfeld 2003-2009
45. Tom Ridge/Bill Frist 2009-2013
46. John F. Kennedy Jr./Steny Hoyer 2013-2021, Eric Holder 2021-2025, Cory Booker 2025
47. Cory Booker/vacant 2025, Michael Bennet 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1992: George H.W. Bush/Pat Buchanan, Gerald R. Ford/Pete Wilson
1996: Sandra Day O'Connor/Dan Quayle
2000: John Kitzhaber/John F. Kennedy Jr.
2004: Carol Moseley Braun/Paul Wellstone
2008: Eliot Spitzer/Tom Daschle
2012: Tom Ridge/Bill Frist
2016: Rick Perry/Herman Cain
2020: Carly Fiorina/John Cornyn
2024: Chris Christie/John Kasich
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« Reply #726 on: April 10, 2019, 11:40:35 PM »

Kennedy as FDR

35. John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson (1961-1969), Hubert H. Humphrey (1969-1973), James E. Carter (1973)
36. James E. Carter/vacant (1973-1977), Lloyd Bentsen (1977-1981)
37. Ronald Reagan/Jack Kemp (1981-1989)
38. Michael Dukakis/Robert Byrd (1989-1991)
39. Robert Byrd/vacant (1991-1993), Paul Simon (1993-1997)
40. Mitch McConnell/Dan Quayle (1997-2002)
41. Dan Quayle/George Pataki (2002-2005)
42. Al Gore/Carol Moseley Braun (2005-2009)
43. Rudy Giuliani/Mitt Romney (2009-2017)
44. Mitt Romney/Rick Perry (2017-2021)

Losers
1960: Joe McCarthy (still alive)/Richard Nixon
1964: Barry Goldwater/Bill Loeb III
1968: Nelson Rockefeller/Mark Hatfield
1972: George Romney/Nelson Rockefeller
1976: George Romney/Ronald Reagan
1980: Dan Walker/Fritz Hollings
1984: Dan Walker/Reubin Askew
1988: Jack Kemp/George Deukmejian
1992: Pat Buchanan/Bob Dole
1996: Paul Simon/Paul Tsongas
2000: Bernie Sanders/Byron Dorgan
2004: Dan Quayle/Bill Frist
2008: Al Gore/Carol Moseley Braun
2012: Carol Moseley Braun/Andrew Cuomo
2016: Deval Patrick/Tim Kaine
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« Reply #727 on: April 11, 2019, 07:53:07 AM »

Hillary as Obama

45. Hillary Clinton/Mark Warner 2017-2025
46. Herman Cain/Ron DeSantis 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

2016: Scott Brown/Nikki Haley
2020: Jeb Bush/Tom Marino
2024: Elizabeth Warren/Martin Heinrich
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« Reply #728 on: April 11, 2019, 07:09:30 PM »

Clinton as Harding

42. Bill Clinton/Jerry Brown 1993-1995
43. Jerry Brown/vacant 1995, Les Aspin 1995-2001
44. Warren Christopher/Tom Daschle 2001-2005
45. Jeb Bush/Tom DeLay 2005-2013, George Allen 2013-2017, Pat Toomey 2017
46. Pat Toomey/vacant 2017, John Thune 2017-2025
47. James Stavridis/Jason Kander 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1992: Frank White/Jeb Bush
1996: Alan Keyes/Pete Wilson
2000: Carroll Campbell/Alan Simpson
2004: Warren Christopher/Tom Daschle
2008: Howard Dean/Al Sharpton
2012: Wesley Clark/Dick Durbin
2016: Andrew Cuomo/Tom Vilsack
2020: Andrew Cuomo/Roy Cooper
2024: Brian Sandoval/Tom Cotton
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« Reply #729 on: April 11, 2019, 10:47:48 PM »

Parliamentary America From the 70s Onward

BACKGROUND:
The United States has combined its House and Senate into a single parliamentary body consisting of 535 seats. New parties arose following the breakdown of the Democrats and Republicans, and have two major divisions: Left vs Right (political axis), and Progressive vs Moderationist (philosophical axis). The parties are:

Nationalist Party
Political Position: Far Right
Philosophical Position: Moderationist generally, although some have argued that their reactionary tendencies lean on the side of progressivism.
Ideology: Nationalism, White Supremacy (until the 1990s), Conservatism, Anti-Globalism

Conservative Union
Political Position: Center-right to Right Wing
Philosophical Position: Moderationist
Ideology: Social Conservatism, Fiscal Conservatism, Economic Liberalism

Progressive Conservative Party
Political Position: Center to Center-right
Philosophical Position: Progressive
Ideology: Progressive Centrism, Conservatism, Christian Democracy, Conservative Liberalism

Democratic Liberty Party
Political Position: Center-left to Center-right
Philosophical Position: Moderationist
Ideology: Centrism, Conservative Liberalism, Ordoliberalism, Reformism

Progressive Liberal Party
Political Position: Center to Center-left
Philosophical Position: Progressive
Ideology: Liberalism, Social Liberalism, Social Democracy

Socialist Green Party
Political Position: Left Wing
Philosophical Position: Progressive
Ideology: Green Politics, Democratic Socialism


1972:
Government: PCP (289)
Opposition: PLP (101), DLP (77), NP (60), CU (7), SGP (1)
Prime Minister: Richard Nixon
1973 (Snap):
Government: PLP (202), DLP (85)
Opposition: CU (146), NP (81), PCP (19), SGP (2)
Prime Minister: Hubert Humphrey
1977:
Government: CU (149), DLP (122)
Opposition: PLP (135), PCP (67), NP (59), SGP (3)
Prime Minister: Ronald Reagan
1981:
Government: CU (139), DLP (131)
Opposition: PLP (159), PCP (86), NP (18), SGP (2)
Prime Minister: Ronald Reagan
1983 (Snap):
Government: DLP (170), PLP (90), PCP (85)
Opposition: CU (174), SGP (11), NP (5)
Prime Minister: John B. Anderson
1987:
Government: PLP (264), PCP (92)
Opposition: CU (112), DLP (60), SGP (5), NP (2)
Prime Minister: Mario Cuomo

To be continued...
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« Reply #730 on: April 12, 2019, 08:33:13 AM »

1991:
Government: PLP (218), PCP (80)
Opposition: CU (123), DLP (101), SGP (12), NP (1)
Prime Minister: Mario Cuomo
1995:
Government: DLP (142), CU (135)
Opposition: PLP (159), PCP (75), SGP (22), NP (2)
Prime Minister: Bill Clinton
1999:
Government: PLP (228), PCP (40), SGP (25)
Opposition: DLP (133), CU (108), NP (1)
Prime Minister: Al Gore
2001 (Snap):
Government: CU (275)
Opposition: NP (120), PLP (66), DLP (43), PCP (16), SGP (15)
Prime Minister: Dick Cheney
2005:
Government: CU (254), PCP (27)
Opposition: PLP (134), DLP (78), NP (40), SGP (2)
Prime Minister: Dick Cheney
2009:
Government: PLP (152), DLP (129)
Opposition: CU (199), SGP (25), PCP (20), NP (10)
Prime Minister: Barack Obama
2013:
Government: DLP (145), PLP (132)
Opposition: CU (205), PCP (43), NP (6), SGP (4)
Prime Minister: Joe Biden
2017:
Government: CU (225), NP (87)
Opposition: DLP (103), PLP (93), PCP (19), SGP (9)
Prime Minister: Lindsay Graham

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« Reply #731 on: April 12, 2019, 05:41:49 PM »
« Edited: April 12, 2019, 05:49:01 PM by olowakandi »

1897-1905 Robert "Todd" Lincoln 2T
1905-1913 Bryan-Jennings 2T
1913-1921 CE Hughes WWI 2T
1921-1925 Some Dem1T
1925-1933 Herbert C Hoover Great Depression 2T
1933-1941 FDR 2T
1941-1949 HS Truman
WWII 2T
1949-1953 Taft Korean War 1T
1953-1957 A Stevenson 1T
1957-61 RM Nixon 1T
1961-69 Robert F Kennedy Winning Vietnam 2T
1969-1977 Romney SR2T
1977-1981 Jimmy Carter1T
1981-1989 GHW Bush 2T
1989-1997 Joe Biden2 T
1997-2005 John McCain911 2T
2005-2009 John F.Kerry1T
2009-2017 Mitt Romney2T
2017-2025 Beto O'Rourke2T
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« Reply #732 on: April 12, 2019, 06:34:12 PM »

FDR as Garfield

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt/John Nance Garner 1933
33. John Nance Garner/vacant 1933-1937
34. Alf Landon/Frank Orren Lowden 1937, vacant 1937-1941
35. William Gibbs McAdoo/William Bankhead 1941-1945
36. Alf Landon/Everett Dirksen 1945-1949
37. Adlai Stevenson/William Douglas 1949-1951, vacant 1951-1953, John F. Kennedy 1953
38. John F. Kennedy/vacant 1953-1957, Albert Gore 1957-1961
39. W. Averell Harriman/Hubert Humphrey 1961-1965, vacant 1965
40. Nelson Rockefeller/Jim Rhodes 1965-1973
41. Vance Hartke/Hugh Carey 1973-1975
42. Hugh Carey/vacant 1975-1977, Eugene McCarthy 1977-1981
43. Edmund Muskie/Robert Byrd 1981-1985
44. Lowell Weicker/John Rhodes 1985-1993, Jack Kemp 1993-1997, Kit Bond 1997
45. Kit Bond/vacant 1997-2001, Don Nickles 2001-2005
46. Wesley Clark/Bill Nelson 2005-2013
47. Mitt Romney/Bill Frist 2013-2015
48. Bill Frist/vacant 2015-2017, Norm Coleman 2017-2021
49. Bill Nelson/Ralph Northam 2021-2025, vacant 2025, Joaquin Castro 2025-2026
50. Joaquin Castro/vacant 2026, Andrew Cuomo 2026-2029

Losing Tickets

1932: Charles Evans Hughes/John Q. Tilson
1936: Cordell Hull/Millard Tydings
1940: Alf Landon/Robert A. Taft
1944: William Gibbs McAdoo/Joseph P. Kennedy
1948: Thomas E. Dewey/Wendell Willkie
1952: Thomas E. Dewey/Everett Dirksen
1956: Earl Warren/Arthur Vandenberg
1960: Thomas E. Dewey/Gerald R. Ford
1964: W. Averell Harriman/Sam Yorty, John F. Kennedy/Terry Sanford
1968: Endicott Peabody/Albert Gore
1972: Edgar Whitcomb/Lowell Weicker
1976: George H.W. Bush/Meldrim Thomson Jr.
1980: Malcolm Wilson/Howard Baker
1984: Edmund Muskie/Robert Byrd
1988: Michael Dukakis/Jesse Jackson
1992: Lee Iacocca/George Mitchell
1996: Bill Clinton/Chuck Robb
2000: Bill Clinton/Mario Cuomo
2004: Jim Edgar/Fred Thompson
2008: Jim Edgar/John McCain
2012: Bill Nelson/Caroline Kennedy
2016: Elizabeth Warren/Xavier Becerra
2020: Norm Coleman/Bob Corker
2024: Rand Paul/John Ensign/Sarah Palin
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« Reply #733 on: April 12, 2019, 07:55:40 PM »

Meh. I'll restart this thread.

ALTERNATE PRESIDENTS FROM MY ABORTIVE HITLER VS. STALIN TIMELINE
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Hilliard Victory

PRESIDENTS
(note: colors are reversed due to ideological butterfly effect, due to Hilliard's views)
Adam Hilliard (D) - 1933-1961
Strom Thurmond (D) - 1961-1969
George Wallace (D) - 1969-1977
Ronald Reagan (D) - 1977-1985
Newt Gingrich (D) - 1985-1989

George H. W. Bush (R) - 1989-1997
Bill Clinton (R) - 1997-2005
John McCain (R) - 2005-2013

Donald Trump (D) - 2013-2021
Marco Rubio (R) - 2021-

VICE PRESIDENTS
J. Hamilton Lewis (D) - 1933-1939
William D. Pelley (D) - 1939-1957
Strom Thurmond (D) - 1957-1961
George L. Rockwell (D) - 1961-1969
Orval Faubus (D) - 1969-1977
George Smathers (D) - 1977-1985
Pat Buchanan (D) - 1985-1989

Jim Thompson (R) - 1989-1997
George Deukmejian (R) - 1997-2005
Al Gore (R) - 2005-2013

David Duke (D) - 2013-2021
Paul Ryan (R) - 2021-

LOSING TICKETS
1932: Joseph Steele/Upton Sinclair (F-L)
1936-1964: No major opposition
1968: John F. Kennedy/Hubert H. Humphrey (R)
1972: Hubert H. Humphrey/Ed Muskie (R)
1976: Jerry Brown/Jimmy Carter (R)
1980: Al Gore, Sr./"Scoop" Jackson (R)
1984: Walter Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro (R)
1988: Newt Gingrich/Pat Buchanan (D)
1992: Fritz Hollings/Pat Buchanan (D)
1996: Robert Bork/Clyde N. Wilson (D)
2000: Mike Huckabee/Tom Tancredo (D)
2004: David Duke/Bill O'Reilly (D)
2008: Newt Gingrich/Bill O'Reilly (D)
2012: Barack Obama/George W. Bush (R)
2016: Mitt Romney/Scott Walker (R)
2020: Ted Cruz/Steve Bannon (D)

Steele Victory

PRESIDENTS
Joseph Steele (F-L) - 1933-1953
Dwight D. Eisenhower (F-L) - 1953-1961

Lyndon B. Johnson (D) - 1961-1969
Richard M. Nixon (F-L) - 1969-1977
Ronald Reagan (D) - 1977-1981
Jimmy Carter (F-L*) - 1981-1989
George H. W. Bush (D) - 1989-1997
Bill Clinton (D) - 1997-2005

Bernie Sanders (L) - 2005-2013
Barack Obama (L) - 2013-2021

Beto O'Rourke (D) - 2021-present

*: shortened from Farmer-Labor to Labor in 1984

VICE PRESIDENTS
Upton Sinclair (F-L) - 1933-1937
Huey Long (F-L) - 1937-1945
Harry S Truman (F-L) - 1945-1953
Richard M. Nixon (F-L) - 1953-1961

George Smathers (D) - 1961-1969
Spiro T. Agnew (F-L) - 1969-1973
Hubert H. Humphrey (F-L) - 1973-1977

Gerald Ford (D) - 1977-1981
Jerry Brown (F-L) - 1981-1989
Dan Quayle (D) - 1989-1997
Richard Lugar (D) - 1997-2005

John McCain (L) - 2005-2013
Paul Ryan (L) - 2013-2021

Marco Rubio (D) - 2021-present

LOSING TICKETS
1932: Adam Hilliard/J. Hamilton Lewis (D)
1936: Adam Hilliard/Charles Evans Hughes (D)
1940: Adam Hilliard/Charles Coughlin^ (D)
1944: John Garner/Strom Thurmond (D)
1948: Strom Thurmond/Robert Taft (D)
1952: Estes Kefauver/Douglas MacArthur (D)
1956: Douglas MacArthur/Estes Kefauver (D)
1960: John F. Kennedy/Stuart Symington (F-L)
1964: John F. Kennedy/Hubert H. Humphrey (F-L)
1968: George Wallace/Orval Faubus (D)
1972: George Smathers/Nelson Rockefeller (D)
1976: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (F-L)
1980: Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford (D)
1984: Gerald Ford/Jack Kemp (D)
1988: Michael Dukakis/Gary Hart (L)
1992: Jerry Brown/Al Gore (L)
1996: Bernie Sanders/Noam Chomsky (L)
2000: Mario Cuomo/Jesse Jackson (L)
2004: Richard Lugar/George W. Bush (D)
2008: George W. Bush/Sarah Palin (D)
2012: Rick Perry/Dana Rohrabacher (D)
2016: Hillary Clinton/Ted Cruz (D)
2020: Elizabeth Warren/Cory Booker (L)

^: Coughlin, having been born in Canada to Canadian parents, was technically ineligible, anyway.

Sorry to see the Hilliard as President and Steel as President timelines aborted. Correct me if I am wrong but

HILLIARD AS PRESIDENT
Obviously, Hilliard rules the USA as a de facto dictator, ethnically cleanses the black community and bans political opposition. The assassination of Steele marks the death of the Farmer-Labor party. Hilliard does succeed in ending the Great Depression and siding with Goebbels Germany in World War II. By the 1960s, an aging Hilliard resigns or does not run for reelection in 1960. He hands off the White House to his protege Strom Thurmond.

Thurmond slowly dismantles the dictatorial apparatus that he inherited from Hilliard which he is able to do after Hilliard's death. Thurmond lifts the political ban on opposition parties. The Republican party is revived and runs candidates for President starting in 1968 but they still do not have a coalition that can win a national election.

Thurmond's successors govern on a conservative agenda while the Republicans function as the loyal opposition and are philosophically liberal. After 56 years in power, the Democrats lose the Presidency. The Republicans would hold the Presidency for 16 years and liberalize the country. Trump wins back the White House for the Democrats in 2012 and holds the Presidency for 2 terms before Marco Rubio leads the Republicans back to power.

STEELE AS PRESIDENT
Joseph Steele's uber-socialist agenda and his support of the poor and working class bring the United States out of the Great Depression despite corruption occurring in the Steele Administration. Steele allows political opposition to exist although he will cheat his way to victory. The Democrats remain strongest in the South and upper New England (and competitive in the Midwest). Obviously, Steele is sympathetic to the USSR especially if it is run by Nikita Khrushchev.

Since the Nazis never come to power (democratically) in Germany, instability still exists. Ultimately, the country falls to civil war until the military steps in suspends democracy. But there is no Holocaust of Europe's Jewish community. The United States still goes to war when the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor. General Eisenhower becomes a popular hero when he leads the successful liberation of Formosa and Korea from the Japanese Empire.

Steele's New Deal which included massive spending on military technology results in victory in the American-Japanese War (1941-1946) as a shock and awe style destruction of Japanese military bases, munitions factories and the royal palace which decapitates the entire royal family and government. Per the terms of the Treaty of Hong Kong, Formosa is given to China, Korea becomes an independent nation (united) under USSR protection, northern Japan is annexed by the USSR and the remainder of Japan becomes a Republic (and a de facto protectorate of the USA) that abolishes its monarchy.

After 20 years as President, Steel retires and is succeeded by war hero Eisenhower who governs as a moderate. The Farmer-Labor Party changes its name to just Labor.

The Democrat and Labor parties rotate control of the Presidency to the present day. Labor is a progressive, left-of-center party and the Democrats are the conservative party.
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« Reply #734 on: April 13, 2019, 09:42:10 AM »

Kennedy as Hayes

35. John F. Kennedy/Carl Albert 1961-1965
36. Hubert Humphrey/Robert F. Wagner 1965
37. Robert F. Wagner/vacant 1965-1969
38. Ronald Reagan/Nelson Rockefeller 1969, vacant 1969-1973
39. Ted Kennedy/Wilbur Mills 1973-1977
40. Ronald Reagan/Gerald R. Ford 1977-1981
41. Jimmy Carter/Henry Cisneros 1981-1983, vacant 1983-1985, Hugh Carey 1985
42. Hugh Carey/vacant 1985-1989, Lloyd Bentsen 1989-1993
43. Cyrus Vance/Lee Hamilton 1993-1996, vacant 1996-1997
44. Carroll Campbell/Thomas Kean 1997-2005
45. Tom Daschle/Howard Dean 2005-2007
46. Howard Dean/vacant 2007-2009, Jim Webb 2009-2013
47. Joe Biden/Chris Dodd 2013-2017
48. Mitt Romney/Eric Cantor 2017-2025, Rob Portman 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1960: Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller
1964: William Westmoreland/Walter Judd
1968: W. Averell Harriman/George McGovern
1972: Ronald Reagan/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.
1976: Ted Kennedy/Eugene McCarthy
1980: John B. Anderson/George H.W. Bush
1984: John B. Anderson/Gerald R. Ford
1988: Sandra Day O'Connor/Howard Baker
1992: John B. Anderson/Jack Kemp
1996: Cyrus Vance/Jesse Jackson, Hugh Carey/John Kitzhaber
2000: Mario Cuomo/Lloyd Bentsen
2004: Mike Rounds/Mitt Romney
2008: Tom Ridge/Richard Lugar
2012: Jon Huntsman/John Thune
2016: Joe Biden/Chris Dodd
2020: Martin O'Malley/Howard Schultz
2024: Mark Zuckerberg/Michael Bennet
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« Reply #735 on: April 16, 2019, 12:33:26 AM »

Governors of California
39. Jerry Brown (Democratic) January 3, 2011 - January 7, 2019
40. Gavin Newsom (Democratic) January 7, 2019 - November 15, 2019*
41. Dianne Feinstein (Democratic) November 12, 2019 - December 10, 2019**
42. Eleni Kounalakis (Democratic) December 10, 2019 - February 2, 2020***
43. Kamala Harris (Democratic) February 2, 2020 - February 29, 2020****
44. Jerry Brown (Democratic) February 29, 2020 - January 2, 2023
45. Gavin Newsom (Democratic) January 2, 2023 - November 15, 2023*****
46. Cruz Bustamante (Democratic) November 15, 2023 - March 5, 2025

(California National) March 5, 2025 - January 6, 2031
47. Katie Hill (California National) January 6, 2031 - April 11, 2031


Presidents of the California Republic
1. Katie Hill (National) April 11, 2031 - January 1, 2040
2. Nancy Pelosi (Pelosi) January 1, 2040 - January 1, 2044
3. Katie Hill (National) January 1, 2044 - January 1, 2048
4. Christine Pelosi (Pelosi) January 1, 2048 - January 1, 2060
5. Alexandra Pelosi (Pelosi) January 1, 2060 - present


* - Recalled
** - After much deliberation on who to appoint to replace her in the Senate, she decided on herself
*** - Appointed Harris LG and then appointed herself to the Senate
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« Reply #736 on: April 16, 2019, 08:52:52 PM »

FDR as McKinley

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt/Albert Ritchie 1933-1935, vacant 1935-1937, Henry A. Wallace 1937
33. Henry A. Wallace/vacant 1937-1941, Alben Barkley 1941-1945
34. Cordell Hull/William Bankhead 1945-1948, vacant 1948-1949
35. Earl Warren/Harold Stassen 1949-1957
36. Stuart Symington/Adlai Stevenson 1957-1959
37. Adlai Stevenson/vacant 1959-1961, Sargent Shriver 1961-1965
38. Dean Rusk/Lyndon B. Johnson 1965-1969
39. George Romney/John Rhodes 1969-1977, Spiro Agnew 1977-1981, John Warner 1981
40. John Warner/vacant 1981-1985, Bob Dole 1985-1989
41. John Vessey/Chuck Robb 1989-1997
42. Jeb Bush/Ted Stevens 1997-1999
43. Ted Stevens/vacant 1999, Fred Thompson 1999-2005
44. Chuck Robb/Rod Blagojevich 2005-2009, vacant 2009, Nancy Pelosi 2009-2010
45. Nancy Pelosi/vacant 2010, John Kitzhaber 2010-2013
46. Mitch Daniels/Jim Talent 2013-2017
47. Bernie Sanders/Tom Vilsack 2017-2025
48. Tom Vilsack/Maggie Hassan 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1932: George Norris/Frank E. Gannett
1936: George Norris/Charles Curtis
1940: Thomas E. Dewey/Arthur Vandenberg
1944: George Norris/Charles Halleck
1948: Cordell Hull/William O. Douglas, Henry A. Wallace/Claude Pepper
1952: Paul A. Dever/Alben Barkley
1956: Forrest C. Donnell/George Romney
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./Bill Stratton
1964: Jim Rhodes/William Knowland
1968: Dean Rusk/Lyndon B. Johnson
1972: Patrick Lucey/Kevin White
1976: Walter Fauntroy/Hubert Humphrey
1980: Hugh Carey/Jay Rockefeller
1984: Hugh Carey/Mark White
1988: George Deukmejian/John Tower
1992: George Deukmejian/Pete Domenici
1996: Chuck Robb/Bob Graham
2000: Bill Bradley/Roy Romer
2004: Fred Thompson/Pete Wilson
2008: William Weld/George Allen/George W. Bush
2012: Nancy Pelosi/Amy Klobuchar
2016: Mitch Daniels/Jim Talent
2020: Jim Talent/Nikki Haley
2024: Josh Hawley/Rick Scott
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« Reply #737 on: April 18, 2019, 08:44:14 PM »

Meh. I'll restart this thread.

ALTERNATE PRESIDENTS FROM MY ABORTIVE HITLER VS. STALIN TIMELINE
(not meant for the squeamish)

Hilliard Victory

PRESIDENTS
(note: colors are reversed due to ideological butterfly effect, due to Hilliard's views)
Adam Hilliard (D) - 1933-1961
Strom Thurmond (D) - 1961-1969
George Wallace (D) - 1969-1977
Ronald Reagan (D) - 1977-1985
Newt Gingrich (D) - 1985-1989

George H. W. Bush (R) - 1989-1997
Bill Clinton (R) - 1997-2005
John McCain (R) - 2005-2013

Donald Trump (D) - 2013-2021
Marco Rubio (R) - 2021-

VICE PRESIDENTS
J. Hamilton Lewis (D) - 1933-1939
William D. Pelley (D) - 1939-1957
Strom Thurmond (D) - 1957-1961
George L. Rockwell (D) - 1961-1969
Orval Faubus (D) - 1969-1977
George Smathers (D) - 1977-1985
Pat Buchanan (D) - 1985-1989

Jim Thompson (R) - 1989-1997
George Deukmejian (R) - 1997-2005
Al Gore (R) - 2005-2013

David Duke (D) - 2013-2021
Paul Ryan (R) - 2021-

LOSING TICKETS
1932: Joseph Steele/Upton Sinclair (F-L)
1936-1964: No major opposition
1968: John F. Kennedy/Hubert H. Humphrey (R)
1972: Hubert H. Humphrey/Ed Muskie (R)
1976: Jerry Brown/Jimmy Carter (R)
1980: Al Gore, Sr./"Scoop" Jackson (R)
1984: Walter Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro (R)
1988: Newt Gingrich/Pat Buchanan (D)
1992: Fritz Hollings/Pat Buchanan (D)
1996: Robert Bork/Clyde N. Wilson (D)
2000: Mike Huckabee/Tom Tancredo (D)
2004: David Duke/Bill O'Reilly (D)
2008: Newt Gingrich/Bill O'Reilly (D)
2012: Barack Obama/George W. Bush (R)
2016: Mitt Romney/Scott Walker (R)
2020: Ted Cruz/Steve Bannon (D)

Steele Victory

PRESIDENTS
Joseph Steele (F-L) - 1933-1953
Dwight D. Eisenhower (F-L) - 1953-1961

Lyndon B. Johnson (D) - 1961-1969
Richard M. Nixon (F-L) - 1969-1977
Ronald Reagan (D) - 1977-1981
Jimmy Carter (F-L*) - 1981-1989
George H. W. Bush (D) - 1989-1997
Bill Clinton (D) - 1997-2005

Bernie Sanders (L) - 2005-2013
Barack Obama (L) - 2013-2021

Beto O'Rourke (D) - 2021-present

*: shortened from Farmer-Labor to Labor in 1984

VICE PRESIDENTS
Upton Sinclair (F-L) - 1933-1937
Huey Long (F-L) - 1937-1945
Harry S Truman (F-L) - 1945-1953
Richard M. Nixon (F-L) - 1953-1961

George Smathers (D) - 1961-1969
Spiro T. Agnew (F-L) - 1969-1973
Hubert H. Humphrey (F-L) - 1973-1977

Gerald Ford (D) - 1977-1981
Jerry Brown (F-L) - 1981-1989
Dan Quayle (D) - 1989-1997
Richard Lugar (D) - 1997-2005

John McCain (L) - 2005-2013
Paul Ryan (L) - 2013-2021

Marco Rubio (D) - 2021-present

LOSING TICKETS
1932: Adam Hilliard/J. Hamilton Lewis (D)
1936: Adam Hilliard/Charles Evans Hughes (D)
1940: Adam Hilliard/Charles Coughlin^ (D)
1944: John Garner/Strom Thurmond (D)
1948: Strom Thurmond/Robert Taft (D)
1952: Estes Kefauver/Douglas MacArthur (D)
1956: Douglas MacArthur/Estes Kefauver (D)
1960: John F. Kennedy/Stuart Symington (F-L)
1964: John F. Kennedy/Hubert H. Humphrey (F-L)
1968: George Wallace/Orval Faubus (D)
1972: George Smathers/Nelson Rockefeller (D)
1976: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (F-L)
1980: Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford (D)
1984: Gerald Ford/Jack Kemp (D)
1988: Michael Dukakis/Gary Hart (L)
1992: Jerry Brown/Al Gore (L)
1996: Bernie Sanders/Noam Chomsky (L)
2000: Mario Cuomo/Jesse Jackson (L)
2004: Richard Lugar/George W. Bush (D)
2008: George W. Bush/Sarah Palin (D)
2012: Rick Perry/Dana Rohrabacher (D)
2016: Hillary Clinton/Ted Cruz (D)
2020: Elizabeth Warren/Cory Booker (L)

^: Coughlin, having been born in Canada to Canadian parents, was technically ineligible, anyway.

Sorry to see the Hilliard as President and Steel as President timelines aborted. Correct me if I am wrong but

HILLIARD AS PRESIDENT
Obviously, Hilliard rules the USA as a de facto dictator, ethnically cleanses the black community and bans political opposition. The assassination of Steele marks the death of the Farmer-Labor party. Hilliard does succeed in ending the Great Depression and siding with Goebbels Germany in World War II. By the 1960s, an aging Hilliard resigns or does not run for reelection in 1960. He hands off the White House to his protege Strom Thurmond.

Thurmond slowly dismantles the dictatorial apparatus that he inherited from Hilliard which he is able to do after Hilliard's death. Thurmond lifts the political ban on opposition parties. The Republican party is revived and runs candidates for President starting in 1968 but they still do not have a coalition that can win a national election.

Thurmond's successors govern on a conservative agenda while the Republicans function as the loyal opposition and are philosophically liberal. After 56 years in power, the Democrats lose the Presidency. The Republicans would hold the Presidency for 16 years and liberalize the country. Trump wins back the White House for the Democrats in 2012 and holds the Presidency for 2 terms before Marco Rubio leads the Republicans back to power.

STEELE AS PRESIDENT
Joseph Steele's uber-socialist agenda and his support of the poor and working class bring the United States out of the Great Depression despite corruption occurring in the Steele Administration. Steele allows political opposition to exist although he will cheat his way to victory. The Democrats remain strongest in the South and upper New England (and competitive in the Midwest). Obviously, Steele is sympathetic to the USSR especially if it is run by Nikita Khrushchev.

Since the Nazis never come to power (democratically) in Germany, instability still exists. Ultimately, the country falls to civil war until the military steps in suspends democracy. But there is no Holocaust of Europe's Jewish community. The United States still goes to war when the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor. General Eisenhower becomes a popular hero when he leads the successful liberation of Formosa and Korea from the Japanese Empire.

Steele's New Deal which included massive spending on military technology results in victory in the American-Japanese War (1941-1946) as a shock and awe style destruction of Japanese military bases, munitions factories and the royal palace which decapitates the entire royal family and government. Per the terms of the Treaty of Hong Kong, Formosa is given to China, Korea becomes an independent nation (united) under USSR protection, northern Japan is annexed by the USSR and the remainder of Japan becomes a Republic (and a de facto protectorate of the USA) that abolishes its monarchy.

After 20 years as President, Steel retires and is succeeded by war hero Eisenhower who governs as a moderate. The Farmer-Labor Party changes its name to just Labor.

The Democrat and Labor parties rotate control of the Presidency to the present day. Labor is a progressive, left-of-center party and the Democrats are the conservative party.

Effectively, yes.
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« Reply #738 on: April 21, 2019, 06:05:14 PM »

NAMEPARTY
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FROM
37.Richard M. Nixon
(1913–1972Executed)
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1969
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1971
Impeached
California
38.Allen Ginsberg
(1926-1997)
Homocratic
1971
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1977
New York
39.Harvey Milk
(1930-1978)
Homocratic
1977
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1978
Assassinated
California
40.Dianne Feinstein
(1933-)
Homocratic
1978
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2001
California
41.Barbara Jordan
(1936-2002)
Equality
2001
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2002
Natural causes
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« Reply #739 on: April 24, 2019, 06:57:34 AM »
« Edited: April 24, 2019, 06:47:33 PM by Sherrod Brown 2020 »

Clinton as McKinley

42. Bill Clinton/Ann Richards 1993-1995, vacant 1995, Mario Cuomo 1995-1997
43. Mario Cuomo/vacant 1997, Sam Nunn 1997-2005
44. Joe Biden/Chet Edwards 2005-2008, vacant 2008-2009
45. Mitt Romney/Tim Pawlenty 2009-2017
46. Cory Booker/John Hickenlooper 2017-2019
47. John Hickenlooper/vacant 2019, Julian Castro 2019-2025
48. Kamala Harris/Michael Bennet 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1992: Pat Buchanan/Steve Forbes
1996: Pat Buchanan/Dan Quayle
2000: Elizabeth Dole/Orrin Hatch
2004: Pat Buchanan/Sam Brownback
2008: Joe Biden/Wesley Clark, Mario Cuomo/Mike Easley
2012: Eliot Spitzer/Sam Nunn
2016: Chris Christie/Jon Huntsman
2020: David Petraeus/Rand Paul
2024: Doug Ducey/John Thune
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« Reply #740 on: April 25, 2019, 09:02:12 PM »
« Edited: April 28, 2019, 01:23:52 PM by Sherrod Brown 2020 »

Tilden as Hayes

19. Samuel J. Tilden/Henry B. Payne 1877-1881
20. Samuel J. Randall/Stephen J. Field 1881
21. Stephen J. Field/vacant 1881-1885
22. Jeremiah Rusk/Joseph Hawley 1885, vacant 1885-1889
23. Allen G. Thurman/William Rosecrans 1889-1893
24. Jeremiah Rusk/William McKinley 1893-1897
25. Richard Olney/John R. McLean 1897-1899, vacant 1899-1901, Horace Boies 1901
26. Horace Boies/vacant 1901-1905, George Gray 1905-1909
27. George Dewey/William Jennings Bryan 1909-1912, vacant 1912-1913
28. Theodore Roosevelt/Albert B. Cummins 1913-1921
29. Gilbert Hitchcock/Edward Edwards 1921-1923
30. Edward Edwards/vacant 1923-1925, Franklin D. Roosevelt 1925-1929
31. Cordell Hull/Peter Gerry 1929-1933
32. Alvan T. Fuller/John Q. Tilson 1933-1941, Henry L. Stimson 1941-1945, Lester Dickinson 1945
33. Lester Dickinson/vacant 1945-1949, Wallace H. White 1949-1953
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower/Estes Kefauver 1953-1961
35. Nelson Rockefeller/Thomas Kuchel 1961-1963
36. Thomas Kuchel/vacant 1963-1965, William Scranton 1965-1969
37. Estes Kefauver/Otto Kerner Jr. 1969-1973, vacant 1973, Tip O'Neill 1973-1974
38. Tip O'Neill/vacant 1974, Pat Brown 1974-1977
39. Daniel Evans/Charles Mathias 1977-1981
40. Hugh Carey/Robert P. Casey 1981-1989
41. Robert P. Casey/Paul Simon 1989-1993
42. Carroll Campbell/Connie Mack III 1993-2001
43. Bob Casey/Sam Nunn 2001-2009
44. J.C. Watts/William Cohen 2009-2017
45. Tom Steyer/Martin O'Malley 2017-

Losing Tickets

1876: Rutherford B. Hayes/Joseph Hawley
1880: John F. Hartranft/Horace Maynard
1884: Thomas F. Bayard/Joseph E. McDonald
1888: Jeremiah Rusk/William B. Allison
1892: Allen G. Thurman/David B. Hill
1896: Henry Clay Evans/Thomas Brackett Reed
1900: Henry Clay Evans/William McKinley
1904: William Howard Taft/Matthew S. Quay
1908: Henry Clay Evans/L. M. Shaw
1912: George Dewey/William Randolph Hearst, Horace Boies/Woodrow Wilson
1916: Simeon E. Baldwin/George Gray
1920: Samuel R. McKelvie/Alvan T. Fuller
1924: Charles G. Dawes/William Cameron Sproul
1928: Calvin Coolidge/James E. Watson
1932: Cordell Hull/Peter Gerry
1936: Albert Ritchie/Newton D. Baker
1940: Wendell Willkie/Alben Barkley
1944: Paul A. Dever/Paul McNutt
1948: Paul A. Dever/Adlai Stevenson
1952: Earl Warren/Robert A. Taft
1956: Earl Warren/Everett Dirksen
1960: Estes Kefauver/Herbert Lehman
1964: Eugene McCarthy/Mo Udall
1968: William Scranton/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.
1972: John Ashbrook/Richard Nixon/Malcolm Wilson
1976: Tip O'Neill/John V. Tunney
1980: Daniel Evans/Charles Mathias
1984: Charles Mathias/Carla Anderson Hills
1988: George Deukmejian/Alan Simpson
1992: Robert P. Casey/Paul Simon
1996: John V. Tunney/Lee Hamilton
2000: Connie Mack III/Arlen Specter
2004: Chuck Hagel/John Ensign
2008: Bill Richardson/Jeanne Shaheen
2012: Ed Rendell/Kasim Reed
2016: Nikki Haley/John Kasich
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« Reply #741 on: April 27, 2019, 09:18:54 AM »

Clark as Grant

44. Wesley Clark/Dick Gephardt 2005-2009, Bob Graham 2009-2011, vacant 2011-203
45. Ted Strickland/Kirsten Gillibrand 2013-2017
46. Luis Gutierrez/Kasim Reed 2017
47. Kasim Reed/vacant 2017-2021
48. Nikki Haley/Scott Walker 2021, vacant 2021-2025
49. Joseph P. Kennedy III/Roy Cooper 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

2004: Jim Gilmore/John Kasich
2008: Ron Paul/Tim Pawlenty
2012: Bob McDonnell/Scott Walker
2016: Michael Flynn/Newt Gingrich
2020: Russ Feingold/Ron Wyden
2024: Nikki Haley/Rob Portman
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« Reply #742 on: April 27, 2019, 02:07:02 PM »

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom

Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill: 26 Oct 1951-15 Mar 1954‡ (Conservative)

None: 15 May 1954-28 Mar 1954

Alan Mathison Turing: 28 Mar 1954-19 October 1965 (Homocratic)

Ian Murray McKellen:  19 October 1965-11 October 1974 (Homocratic)

Francis Alick Howard: 11 October 1974-9 June 1983 (Homocratic)

Freddie Mercury: 9 June 1983-10 Nov 1991^ (Homocratic)

Maureen Colquhoun: 10 Nov 1991-9 Apr 1992 (Homocratic)

Ian Murray McKellen: 9 Apr 1992-5 May 2005 (Homocratic)

John David Cairns: 5 May 2005-9 May 2011† (Homocratic)

Adam Price: 9 May 2011-7 May 2015 (Homocratic)

Elizabeth Jean Barker: 7 May 2015-Present (Homocratic)

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« Reply #743 on: April 27, 2019, 11:09:11 PM »

A Massachusetts Miracle in 1992:

41. George HW Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican): 1989-1993
42. Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen [1] (Democratic): 1993-1998
42. Michael Dukakis / Vacant (Democratic): 1998
42. Michael Dukakis / Dick Gephardt (Democratic): 1999-2001
43. Dick Gephardt / Bob Graham (Democratic): 2001-2005
44. John Kasich / George Allen (Republican): 2005-2013
45. Sherrod Brown / Brian Schweitzer (Democratic): 2013-2021
46. Jon Huntsman / Marco Rubio (Republican): 2021-2029
47. Andrew Yang / Beto O'Rourke (Democratic): 2029-Incumbent

Defeated Tickets:
1988: Bill Clinton / Al Gore (Democratic)
1992: George Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican), Ross Perot / James Stockdale (Independent)
1996: Bob Dole / Connie Mack III (Republican), Ross Perot / Jack Kemp (Reform)
2000: Jeb Bush / Fred Thompson (Republican)
2004: Dick Gephardt / Bob Graham (Democratic)
2008: Joe Biden / Hillary Rodham (Democratic)
2012: George Allen / Tim Pawlenty (Republican)
2016: Chris Christie / Eric Cantor (Republican)
2020: Brian Schweitzer / Kirsten Gillibrand (Democratic)
2024: Kirsten Gillibrand / Jay Inslee (Democratic)
2028: Marco Rubio / Liz Cheney (Republican)

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« Reply #744 on: April 28, 2019, 05:15:57 PM »

Nixon as Grant

37. Richard Nixon/Gerald R. Ford 1969-1973, Howard Baker 1973-1975, vacant 1975-1977
38. Spiro Agnew/John Ashbrook 1977-1981
39. George H.W. Bush/John Lindsay 1981
40. John Lindsay/vacant 1981-1985
41. Mario Cuomo/Reubin Askew 1985, vacant 1985-1989
42. Dan Quayle/Jack Kemp 1989-1993
43. Mario Cuomo/Jerry Brown 1993-1997
44. Pete du Pont/Dan Lungren 1997-1999, vacant 1999-2001, Bill Owens 2001
45. Bill Owens/vacant 2001-2005, Chuck Hagel 2005-2009
46. Rob Portman/Eric Cantor 2009-2012, vacant 2012-2013
47. Deval Patrick/Phil Bredesen 2013-2021
48. Richard Burr/Scott Walker 2021-2023
49. Scott Walker/vacant 2023-2025, Scott Brown 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1968: Endicott Peabody/Peter Rodino
1972: Wilbur Mills/Patrick Lucey
1976: Hugh Carey/Reubin Askew
1980: Thomas Moorer/Kevin White
1984: Donald Rumsfeld/Al D'Amato
1988: Mario Cuomo/John Glenn
1992: Dan Quayle/James Baker
1996: Dick Gephardt/Ed Rendell
2000: Dick Gephardt/Jerry Brown
2004: Janet Reno/Jay Rockefeller
2008: Dick Gephardt/John Edwards
2012: Rob Portman/Ron Paul, Bill Owens/Mike Huckabee
2016: Jon Huntsman/Chuck Hagel
2020: Roy Cooper/Barack Obama
2024: Tulsi Gabbard/Jason Kander
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« Reply #745 on: May 03, 2019, 05:52:13 PM »

Powell as Grant

43. Colin Powell/Dennis Hastert 2001-2005, Bill Frist 2005-2007, vacant 2007-2009
44. John Kasich/Eric Cantor 2009-2013
45. Paul Ryan/Rudy Giuliani 2013
46. Rudy Giuliani/vacant 2013-2017
47. Terry McAuliffe/Mark Dayton 2017, vacant 2017-2021
48. Jeb Bush/Jon Huntsman 2021-2025
49. Terry McAuliffe/Joseph P. Kennedy III 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

2000: Douglas Wilder/Dick Gephardt
2004: Dennis Kucinich/Tom Vilsack
2008: Tim Kaine/Mark Dayton
2012: Wesley Clark/Joaquin Castro
2016: Scott Brown/Marco Rubio
2020: Terry McAuliffe/Ted Strickland
2024: Jeb Bush/Nikki Haley
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« Reply #746 on: May 04, 2019, 06:02:52 PM »
« Edited: May 04, 2019, 09:34:57 PM by Sherrod Brown 2020 »

Johnson as Truman

36. Lyndon B. Johnson/vacant 1963-1965, Mike Mansfield 1965-1969
37. William Westmoreland/Mark Hatfield 1969-1977
38. Walter Mondale/John Glenn 1977-1979
39. John Glenn/vacant 1979-1981, Edmund Muskie 1981-1985
40. Mark Hatfield/Ronald Reagan 1985-1989, vacant 1989, Bob Michel 1989-1990
41. Bob Michel/vacant 1990, Carroll Campbell 1990-1993
42. Jerry Brown/George Mitchell 1993-1997
43. Pete du Pont/James Baker 1997-2005
44. James Baker/Rick Santorum 2005-2009
45. Tom Vilsack/Russ Feingold 2009-2017
46. Rick Perry/Chuck Hagel 2017-2025
47. Cory Booker/Tim Kaine 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1964: Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller
1968: Terry Sanford/Vance Hartke
1972: Terry Sanford/George McGovern
1976: Mark Hatfield/John Chafee
1980: James Buckley/Gerald R. Ford
1984: Edmund Muskie/Dale Bumpers
1988: Joe Biden/Bill Clinton/Cyrus Vance
1992: Bob Michel/Connie Mack III
1996: Jerry Brown/George Mitchell
2000: George Mitchell/Dianne Feinstein
2004: Ed Rendell/Jay Rockefeller
2008: James Baker/Rick Santorum
2012: Connie Mack III/Mitt Romney
2016: Russ Feingold/Joe Donnelly
2020: Chris Murphy/Amy Klobuchar
2024: Pat Toomey/Kelly Ayotte
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« Reply #747 on: May 05, 2019, 08:44:00 AM »

Hughes as Wilson

28. Woodrow Wilson/Thomas Marshall 1913-1917
29. Charles Evans Hughes/Martin Brumbaugh 1917-1925
30. J. Hamilton Lewis/Charles W. Bryan 1925-1927
31. Charles W. Bryan/vacant 1927-1929, Cordell Hull 1929-1933
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt/Joseph Taylor Robinson 1933-1937
33. Herbert Hoover/Nicholas Longworth 1937-1945, Thomas E. Dewey 1945-1949, Everett Dirksen 1949
34. Everett Dirksen/vacant 1949-1953, Leverett Saltonstall 1953-1957
35. Omar Bradley/John F. Kennedy 1957-1965
36. Prescott Bush/William Knowland 1965-1967
37. William Knowland/vacant 1967-1969, Thruston B. Morton 1969-1973
38. John F. Kennedy/John Connally 1973-1977, vacant 1977, Jim Wright 1977-1978
39. Jim Wright/vacant 1978, Hubert Humphrey 1978-1981
40. Kit Bond/Lowell Weicker 1981-1985
41. Walter Mondale/Mario Cuomo 1985-1993
42. Mario Cuomo/Al Gore 1993-1997
43. Robert Ray/Mike DeWine 1997-2005
44. Andrew Cuomo/Wesley Clark 2005-2013
45. Marco Rubio/Dan Quayle 2013-2021
46. Andrew Yang/Dan Malloy 2021-2025

Losing Tickets

1916: Woodrow Wilson/Thomas Marshall, William Jennings Bryan/John Burke
1920: Al Smith/Thomas Marshall
1924: Frank Lowden/Herbert Hoover
1928: Charles Dawes/Alvan T. Fuller
1932: Alf Landon/James E. Watson
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Joseph Taylor Robinson
1940: James Curley/Wendell Willkie
1944: Joseph P. Kennedy/Alben Barkley
1948: Herbert Lehman/Paul McNutt
1952: Herbert Lehman/Adlai Stevenson
1956: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./Roman Hruska
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./Barry Goldwater
1964: John F. Kennedy/Albert Gore
1968: John Lindsay/Henry Jackson
1972: Thruston B. Morton/George Romney
1976: Ronald Reagan/Spiro Agnew/John B. Anderson
1980: Jim Wright/Gary Hart
1984: Kit Bond/Lowell Weicker
1988: Lowell Weicker/Elizabeth Dole
1992: Pete Wilson/Richard Lugar
1996: Mario Cuomo/Al Gore
2000: Gary Hart/Bill Richardson
2004: Mike DeWine/William Weld
2008: Fred Thompson/Gordon Smith
2012: Joe Sestak/Kate Brown
2016: Evan Bayh/Joaquin Castro
2020: Kim Reynolds/Rick Scott
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« Reply #748 on: May 09, 2019, 05:37:41 PM »
« Edited: June 15, 2019, 07:51:15 PM by Sherrod Brown 2020 »

Haig as Grant

41. Alexander Haig/Bob Michel 1989-1993, Bob Dole 1993-1995, vacant 1995-1997
42. Carroll Campbell/Jack Kemp 1997-2001
43. Donald Rumsfeld/Elizabeth Dole 2001
44. Elizabeth Dole/vacant 2001-2005
45. Bill Richardson/Bob Graham 2005, vacant 2005-2009
46. George W. Bush/Chuck Hagel 2009-2013
47. Bill Richardson/Evan Bayh 2013-2017
48. John Kasich/Rudy Giuliani 2017-2019, vacant 2019-2021, Brian Sandoval 2021
49. Brian Sandoval/vacant 2021-2025, Mike Pence 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1988: Bruce Babbitt/Lee Hamilton
1992: Jesse Jackson/Bob Kerrey
1996: Ann Richards/Bob Graham
2000: Wesley Clark/Dick Gephardt
2004: Tom Ridge/Phil Gramm
2008: Bill Richardson/John Edwards
2012: George W. Bush/Jon Huntsman
2016: Julian Castro/Tom Perez
2020: Julian Castro/Evan Bayh
2024: Eric Holder/Elizabeth Warren
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« Reply #749 on: May 10, 2019, 06:50:55 PM »

44. Barack Obama (D–Ill.) 2009–2017
45. Donald Trump (R–N.Y.) 2017–2021
46. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) 2021–2029
47. Mandela Barnes (D–Wisc.) 2029–2033
48. Jeanette Nuñez (R–Fla.) 2033–2037
49. Mandela Barnes (D–Wisc.) 2037-2041
50. Archie H. Mountbatten-Windsor (I–Calif.) 2041–2101
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