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« Reply #825 on: September 11, 2019, 06:25:21 AM »

The Fifth American Republic

1. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1959-1969)
2. Richard M. Nixon (1969-1974)
3. James E. Carter (1974-1981)
4. Walter F. Mondale (1981-1995)
5. George W. Bush (1995-2007)
6. W. Mitt Romney (2007-2012)
7. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (2012-2017)
8. Barack H. Obama (2017-2027)
9. Charles D. Baker, Jr. (2027-2033)
10. Peter P. M. Buttigieg (2033-2043)

Parties:

Union Party (1959-1994)
People's Rally (1994-2007)
The Republicans (2007-2025)
Conservative Union (2025-Onwards)


Independent Liberals (1964-1984)

Socialists (1959-2022)
The Left (2022-Onwards)


Forward, America! (2016-Onwards)
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« Reply #826 on: September 14, 2019, 11:42:48 AM »

Gonna do something interesting here.
Democratic:
JFK 1961-1969 (Dumps LBJ, picks Sanford for #2)
Terry Sanford 1969-1977
RFK 1977-1985
Gary Hart 1985-1993
Al Gore 1993-2001
Paul Wellstone 2001-2009 (Doesn't die in plane crash)
Elizabeth Warren 2017-present

Republican:
Richard Nixon 1961-1969
George Romney 1969-1977
Gerald Ford 1977-1985
George H.W. Bush 1985-1993
Bob Dole 1993-2001
John McCain 2001-2009
Mitt Romney 2009-2017
Paul Ryan 2017-present
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« Reply #827 on: September 14, 2019, 11:49:28 AM »

The Bush-Clinton dynasty goes on

Reagan, Obama and Stefanik are the only non-Bushes/Clintons in almost a century, but a Clinton or Bush is their vice president


1981-1989: Ronald Reagan
1989-1993: George Bush

1993-2001: Bill Clinton
2001-2009: George W. Bush
2009-2017: Barack Obama
2017-2021: Hillary Clinton

2021-2029: Jeb Bush
2029-2037: Chelsea Clinton
2037-2045: Elise Stefanik
2045-2049: George P. Bush

2049-2057: Some other Clinton
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« Reply #828 on: September 14, 2019, 03:22:37 PM »

26. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican, then Progressive Republican Party, New York)
      1901–1919, Died in office
27. John M. Parker (Progressive Republican, Louisiana)
      1919–1921
28. Leonard Wood (Progressive Republican, New Hampshire)
      1921–1927, Died in office
29. Charles Evans Hughes (Progressive Republican, New York)
      1927–1933
30. Franklin D. Roosevelt (People's Party, New York)
      1933–1943, Died in office
31. Carl Hayden (People's, Arizona)
      1943–1957
32. Lyndon B. Johnson (People's, Texas)
      1957–1961
33. Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Progressive Republican, Massachusetts)
      1961–1969
34. Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. (People's, New York)
      1969–1971, Assassinated
35. Roberto Agramonte (People's, Cuba)
      1971–1977
36. Ronald Reagan (Liberty Party, California)
      1977–1985
37. Fidel Castro (Liberty, Cuba)
      1985–1989
38. Jean Chrétien (People's, Québec)
      1989–1997
39. Fidel Castro (Liberty, Cuba)
      1997, Resigned
40. George Bush (Liberty, Texas)
      1997–2005
41. John Edwards (People's, North Carolina)
      2005–2008, Removed from office
42. Sila Calderón (People's, Puerto Rico)
      2008–2009
43. John McCain (Liberty, then no party, Arizona)
      2009–2017
44. Bernie Sanders (No party, then Reform Movement, Vermont)
      2017–present

I was guessing this was a TL where Roosevelt keeps Cuba and admits it as a state, but why is Quebec part of the US?
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« Reply #829 on: September 14, 2019, 06:05:06 PM »


I was guessing this was a TL where Roosevelt keeps Cuba and admits it as a state, but why is Quebec part of the US?

If i remember correctly: around that time there was a conspiracy to admit Canadian territories to the U.S., so there's a bit of that in there too. Also, the main idea of the list was a more expansionist U.S. that had more Lat Am territories, not just Cuba, eventually admitted as states.
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« Reply #830 on: September 14, 2019, 09:50:19 PM »

Al Gore/Michael Dukakis 1988-1997
Jack Kemp/George W. Bush 1997-2005
George W. Bush/Dick Cheney 2005-2009
John Edwards/Mark Warner 2009-2017
Mark Warner/Barack Obama 2017-present
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« Reply #831 on: September 23, 2019, 11:07:47 PM »

1984 after Two Terms of Carter (and Beyond):

39. Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic): 1977-1985
40. Howard Baker / Pete du Pont (Republican): 1985-1993
41. Dick Gephardt / Al Gore (Democratic): 1993-2001
42. Al Gore / Tom Harkin (Democratic): 2001-2005

43. Fred Thompson / Gary Johnson (Republican): 2005-2013
44. Bill Richardson / Dick Durban (Democratic): 2013-2017
45. Jon Huntsman / Nikki Haley (Republican): 2017-2025
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« Reply #832 on: September 24, 2019, 12:24:45 AM »

Robert F.Kennedy 1973-1981 (Watergate finishes off Nixon in an extremely close election)
John Anderson 1981-1989
George H.W. Bush 1989-1993
Jerry Brown 1993-2001
George W. Bush 2001-2005
Dick Gephardt 2005-2009
John McCain 2009-2013
Martin O'Malley 2013-2021

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« Reply #833 on: September 24, 2019, 11:57:41 AM »

Presidents of the United States

27. William Howard Taft, Republican (1909-1917)
 - President Taft secured a second term in 1912 after former President Roosevelt's third-party campaign came to a tragic end when the Bull Moose fell to an assassin's bullet. President Taft pursued a policy of neutrality abroad, which some authors believed bordered on isolationism, and continued the anti-corruption crusades of his first term. He did not seek re-election in 1916.
28. Woodrow Wilson, Democrat (1917-1919)
 - New Jersey Governor Woodrow Wilson ran for office on a platform of non-involvement in the Great War. His opponent, Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, emphasized this difference as he campaigned on a draft and greater preparedness for American involvement in the war. On the domestic front, Wilson pushed through several progressive reforms, including banking reform and labor reform. After suffering a stroke, Wilson resigned from office in 1919 as he was preparing to declare war on the Central Powers and enter the war, citing a need to protect freedom.
29. Thomas R. Marshall, Democrat (1919-1921)
 - Assuming office upon President Wilson's resignation, President Marshall was faced with the difficult task of charting America's course in the Great War. Believing that America was not prepared to enter the war in 1919, President Marshall demurred and declined to enact the late President's war plans. As millions perished in Europe, Americans looked on in horror at the carnage. Marshall hoped that this would have spurred public support for the war. Instead, it spurred public opposition to his Presidency, losing in a 45-state sweep.
30. Leonard Wood, American (1921-1929)
 - General Leonard Wood, urged into running for President in 1920 by supporters of the late President Roosevelt, ran on his military expertise, forming the American Party and declaring boldly that America was not ready to enter the Great War. Instead, Wood turned his attention towards Mexico, decrying it as a "hotbed for insurgents, rebels, and communists". President Wood and Congress, with a Republican majority, declared war on Mexico in 1922. Opposition newspapers decried the war was "a proving ground for war in Europe" but the Second Mexican-American War was popular with the public and a success, given the weakness of the Mexican government. The Treaty of Mexico City, ratified in 1927, ceded the northern third of Mexico to the United States as the state of Sonora, and installed General John J. Pershing as President of the new Mexican Republican.
31. Charles G. Dawes, American (1929-1933)
 - The 1928 election was between Vice President Charles G. Dawes of the American Party and businessman Herbert Hoover of the Peace Party. Dawes narrowly won, ironically thanks to the electoral votes from Sonora, and pursued an alliance with the German Empire, which was rapidly closing in on a victory in Europe. With France fallen and the British forces being decimated across the Channel, Dawes saw no reason to antagonize Kaiser Wilhelm and signed the Treaty of Paris in 1930, finally entering the United States into the Generation's War, as it was now called, as a member of the Central Powers. The Americans launched a series of campaigns in Canada, dealing damage to the British Empire and its reserve forces. On January 5, 1933, King George V signed papers of abdication and newly-crowned King Edward VIII signed a peace accord with Kaiser Wilhelm the next day. Former President Taft was the American delegate to the peace conference.
32. Calvin Coolidge, Popular (1933-1937)
 - Americans abandoned the American Party in 1932, which many believe spurred President Dawes to push for peace in the Generation's War. His successor, Governor Calvin Coolidge, pledged large sums of money to be spent on rebuilding Canada after the war and attempting to build ties with the decimated British. Coolidge narrowly defeated Dawes in 1932 and found the Congress hostile to his plans. The nation was in a state of deadlock, with Coolidge refusing to colonize Canadian provinces and Congress refusing to fund Coolidge's reparations plan. In October of 1935, the stock market crashed, due to the deadlock, and sent about a run on banks. Coolidge and Congress could not agree on a plan to address the financial crisis, which only got worse, and cost Coolidge his job after one term.
33. Frank Orren Lowden, Republican (1937-1940)
 - President Lowden failed to win over support in Congress for his plan to address the Depression, as there were only two Republican Senators and sixteen Republican Congressmen elected in 1936. Lowden's plan, a bold call to national action that involved spending enormous sums of money on infrastructure projects and government-backed investment accounts, was popular with the public but couldn't find support in Congress. In 1940, he was murdered by a homeless man while the President was touring the slums of Boston as a show of sympathy.
34. Warren G. Harding, Republican (1940)
 - Vice President Harding, a little-known banker prior to being elected as Vice President in 1936, developed pneumonia and died, seventeen days after assuming office.
35. Charles Francis Adams, III, Independent (1940-1941)
 - Secretary of State Adams took charge of a country in deep turmoil and could do little to preserve it. Open rebellions were taking place in Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Boston when he took the oath of office. Wanting to avoid allegations of being a dictator, Adams rejected calls to order the military into those cities to put down the rebellions. On January 1, 1941, after seven months in office, President Adams was displaced in a coup.

Chairmen of the Central Organizing Committee
1. General John J. Pershing, Military (1941-1950)
 - General Pershing, having rejoined the U.S. Army after six years as President of the Mexican Republic, did not believe that President Adams could right the ills of the nation. After forcing Adams' resignation, Pershing consolidated control by having the Army disband the Congress and formed the Central Organizing Committee, a committee of seven military figures who would manage the country's affairs through the crisis. The first action of the COC was to put down the rebellions through a massive show of force. In 1941, more than 16,000 Americans were killed for taking part in "actions treasonous to the Government". Pershing's rule was long and bloody, as people protested the suspension of Congress and of elections almost daily. The worst was in March of 1949. Nearly a quarter of a million people marched through the District of Columbia towards the Executive Mansion, as the White House was renamed, in hopes of forcing Pershing to resign. Instead, Pershing ordered soldiers to open fire into the crowd, killing over a thousand and arrested as many. Pershing passed away from cancer in 1950.
2. General Dwight D. Eisenhower, Military (1950-1955)
 - The selection of General Eisenhower as the second Chairman of the COC came as a surprise to many. He had been critical of General Pershing's tactics and had urged Pershing to reintroduce elections as early as 1945. Eisenhower was selected as a compromise candidate between the hard-liner faction and the unifying faction. Eisenhower's first act of office was to arrest most of the hardliner faction and have them executed, following a military tribunal. In 1952, he announced plans for Congressional elections in 1954, followed by a Presidential election in 1956. With the country still facing a deep economic crisis, and stirrings of a revolution in Sonora, Eisenhower postponed the elections of 1954 to 1956, to happen concurrently with the Presidential election. Eisenhower was assassinated by a communist hand grenade during an inspection of anti-revolutionary military procedures in Texas.
3. Admiral Robert P. Briscoe (1955-1958)
 - A little known Admiral, Briscoe was the face of the unifying faction of the COC and served as Deputy Chairman under Eisenhower. He oversaw the first Congressional elections in 1956, which returned a Senate with 47 Democratic Socialists, 34 Conservatives, and 21 Independents and a House of Representatives with 197 Conservatives, 195 Democratic Socialists, and 46 Independents. A Presidential election was held in 1958, which saw farmer-turned-local agitator Orville Freeman elected as the first President of the Second Republic. Briscoe handed over power peacefully in on September 3, 1958.

I may finish this up at a later point.

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« Reply #834 on: September 26, 2019, 12:20:16 AM »

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« Reply #835 on: September 26, 2019, 01:20:39 PM »
« Edited: October 03, 2019, 08:58:18 PM by sentinel »

Edit: I know, I used the color scheme for Ds/Rs that ya'll don't like here.

President of the United States
Presidential Selection Process:Current Governor on Election Day of a state become President by order they entered the union
Vice Presidential Selection Process: The legislature of the next state in order chooses a Vice President. If the VP serves more than half the term of his/her President (i.e. POTUS dies), that state is then skipped for next President.

1. George Washington, No Affiliation, Excluded from State Rotation, 1789 - 1793
2. Joshua Clayton, Federalist, Delaware, 1793 - 1797
3. Thomas Mifflin*, No Affiliation, Pennsylvania, 1779 - 1800 (Natural death)
4.  Jonathan Dayton, Federalist, New Jersey, 1800 - 1801
5.  Richard Howell, Federalist, New Jersey, 1801 - 1805

6.  John Milledge, Democratic-Republican, Georgia, 1805 - 1809
7. Jonathan Trumbull Jr*, Federalist, Connecticut, 1809 - 1809 (Natural death)
8. Christopher Gore, Federalist, Massachusetts, 1809 - 1813

9.  Robert Bowie, Democratic-Republican, Maryland, 1813 - 1817
10. Henry Middleton, Democratic-Republican, South Carolina, 1817 - 1821
11. Samuel Bell, Democratic Republican, New Hampshire, 1821 - 1825
12. James Pleasants, Democratic Republican, Virginia, 1825 - 1829
13. Nathaniel Pitcher, Democratic Republican, New York, 1829 - 1833

14. David Lowry Swain, National Republican, North Carolina, 1833 - 1837
15. John B. Francis, Democratic, Rhode Island, 1837 - 1841
16. Charles Paine, Whig, Vermont, 1841 - 1845
17. William Owsley, Whig, Kentucky, 1845 - 1849
18. Neil S. Brown, Whig, Tennessee, 1849 - 1853

19. Reuben Wood, Democratic, Ohio, 1853 - 1857
20. Robert C. Wickliffe, Democratic, Louisiana, 1857 - 1861
21. Abram A. Hammond, Democratic, Indiana, 1861 - 1865
22. Charles Clark, Democratic, Mississippi, 1865 - 1869

23. Richard J. Oglesby, Republican, Illinois, 1869 - 1873

After 12 years of pro-slavery administrations, President Oglesby tackles the issue of slavery. The result is the first American Civil War, starting in 1870 and ending in 1874. The U.S. Congress, during the war, passed a Constitutional Amendment that stripped any state that secedes from the Union from holding the presidency until 100 years after its re-admittance, thereby stripping the presidency and vice presidency from Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Virginia, South Carolina and North Carolina until 1974 at earliest. The Union would win the war and the rebellious states would re-enter the Union under these conditions.

24. Henry P. Baldwin, Republican, Michigan, 1873 - 1877
25. Samuel J. Kirkwood, Republican, Iowa, 1877 - 1881
26. William E. Smith*, Republican, Wisconsin, 1881 - 1883
(Natural death, served more than half his term)
27. John Franklin Miller, Republican, California, 1883 - 1885
28. George Stoneman, Democratic, California, 1885 - 1889
29. Andrew R. McGill, Republican, Minnesota, 1889 - 1893
30. Sylvester Pennoyer, Democratic, Oregon, 1893 - 1897
31. Edmund N. Morrill, Republican, Kansas, 1897 - 1901
32. George W. Atkinson, Republican, West Virginia, 1901 - 1905

33. John Sparks, Democratic/Silver, Nevada, 1905 - 1909
34. George L. Sheldon, Republican, Nebraska, 1909 - 1913
35. John F. Shafroth, Democratic, 1913 - 1917
Shafroth was against entering the war in Europe, believing it would hurt trade.
36.  L.B. Hana, Republican, North Dakota, 1917 - 1921
Hana convinces Congress to enter the war, albeit very late, helping the Allied Powers secure essentially a status quo victory.
37.  Peter Norbeck, Republican, South Dakota, 1921 - 1925
38. Joseph M. Dixon, Republican, Montana, 1925 - 1929
39. Roland Hartley, Republican, Washington, 1929 - 1933

40. C. Ben Ross, Democratic, Idaho, 1933 - 1937
41. Leslie A. Miller, Democratic, Wyoming, 1937 - 1941
42. Henry H. Blood*, Democratic, Utah, 1941 - 1942
(Natural death, served less than half his term)
Blood reluctantly, pushed by Congress, enters WW2 following the bombing of Pearl Harbor
43. Joshua B. Lee, Democratic, Oklahoma, 1942 - 1945
44. Robert S. Kerr, Democratic, Oklahoma, 1945 - 1949

The second World War concludes with an Allied victory over the Axis Powers
45. Thomas J. Marby, Democratic, New Mexico, 1949 - 1953
46. John H. Pyle, Republican, Arizona, 1953 - 1957
Every state, excluding those that betrayed the Union, has had a president.
47. J. Caleb Boggs, Republican, Delaware 1957 - 1961
48. David L. Lawrence, Democratic, Pennsylvania, 1961 - 1965
49. John M. Dempsey, Connecticut, 1965 - 1969

50. John A. Volpe, Republican, Maryland, 1969 - 1973
51. William R. Peterson Jr, Republican, New Hampshire, 1973 - 1977
52. Millis Godwin, Republican, Virginia, 1977 - 1981
Virginia is the first state that seceded from the Union to hold the presidency.
53. Mario Cuomo, Democratic, New York, 1981 - 1985
54. Jim Hunt, Democratic, North Carolina, 1985 - 1989

55. Edward D. DiPrete, Republican, Rhode Island, 1989 - 1993
56. Howard Dean, Democratic, Vermont, 1993 - 1997
57. Paul E. Patton, Kentucky, Democratic, 1997 - 2001
58. Don Sundquist, Tennessee, Republican, 2001 - 2005
59. Bob Taft, Ohio, Republican, 2005 - 2009
60. Bobby Jindal, Louisiana, Republican, 2009 - 2013
61. Mitch Daniels, Indiana, Republican, 2013 - 2017
62. Phil Bryant, Mississippi, 2017 - 2021

Expected 63rd President of the United States: J.B. Pritzker, Democratic, Illinois
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« Reply #836 on: September 26, 2019, 02:36:37 PM »

1867: After the mess caused after Lincoln's assassination, Johnson's attempted subversion of both houses of congress, etc., an amendment is passed that designates the Vice President as a "caretaker" in the case of a President's death or resignation, and that a special election is held within 6 months of the death/resignation.

Sept. 19, 1881: President Garfield dies, several months after being shot. Chester A. Arthur becomes caretaker president.

Feb. 20, 1882: New York Governor Grover Cleveland beats Caretaker President Arthur, Governor St. John, and Fmr. Representative Butler.

1884: Cleveland is elected to a full term.

1884-1901 same as OTL

Sept. 14 1901: President McKinley is shot and killed. Vice President Roosevelt becomes caretaker.

Feb. 10, 1902: Roosevelt wins a full term, over Chief Judge of the NY Court of Appeals Parker, Anti-Roosevelt Republican Senator Hanna, Populist Democrat Representative Hearst, Socialist Union Leader Debs, and Preacher Swallow.

1902-1912: Same as OTL

1912: Roosevelt returns, but fails to win the Republican nomination. No one receives a majority in the electoral college, with Roosevelt, under his new Bull Moose Progressive Party, coming the closest, followed by Liberal Democrat Governor Woodrow Wilson (who walked out after Clark was nominated), Speaker Champ Clark, President Taft, and Debs, who narrowly carried Nevada.

Eventually, with protests gripping the nation and the government stagnant as one of its branches wasn't occupied, a re-run of the election was called, with the top 2, Roosevelt and Wilson, being the only names on the ballot. Roosevelt won handily, and was convinced to advocate for a new, parliamentary system of government. Although the idea was unpopular among the representatives and senators, it was an idea that became more and more popular with the people, who elected a majority progressive house in 1914. In 1915, the expansive amendment passed.

idk why I wrote this lol but maybe it could be expanded on
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« Reply #837 on: September 29, 2019, 10:57:02 PM »

Hmm...
Tim Kaine/Bill Richardson 2009-2017
Bill Richardson/Mark Warner 2017-2021
Rick Scott/Josh Hawley 2021-2029
George P. Bush/Liz Cheney 2029-2037
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Rashida Tlaib 2037-2045
Anthony Gonzalez/Andrew Kim 2045-2052

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« Reply #838 on: September 30, 2019, 06:31:15 PM »
« Edited: September 30, 2019, 08:44:08 PM by LabourJersey »

What if...The Constitution stated that presidents can only serve one six-year term, and the succeeding President must be from another state than his/her predecessor. The President and Vice President are elected as a ticket from the start (neither can be from the same state as the preceding President) so the 12th Amendment isn't necessary in this timeline.

1. George Washington (I-VA)/John Adams (I-MA): Apr. 30 1789-Mar. 1 1795
2. John Adams (F-MA)/Charles Pickney (F-SC): Mar. 1 1795-Mar. 1 1801
3. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)/Aaron Burr (DR-NY): Mar. 1 1801-Mar. 1 1807
4. Aaron Burr (DR-NY)/Henry Deaborn (DR-ME): Mar. 1 1807-Mar. 1 1813
5. James Monroe (DR-VA)/Richard Rush (DR-PA): Mar. 1 1813-Mar. 1 1819
5. William H. Crawford (DR-GA)/John Quincy Adams (DR-MA): Mar. 1 1819-Mar. 1 1825
6. John Quincy Adams (DR-MA)/William Wirt (DR-VA): Mar. 1 1825-Mar. 1 1831
7. Andrew Jackson (D-TN)/Martin Van Buren (D-NY): Mar. 1 1831-Mar. 1 1837
8. Martin Van Buren (D-NY)/John C. Calhoun (D-SC): Mar. 1 1837-Mar. 1 1843
9. Henry Clay (W-KY)/Daniel Webster (W-MA): Mar. 1 1843-Mar. 1 1849
10. James Buchanan (D-PA)/Lewis Cass (D-MI): Mar. 1 1849-Mar. 1 1855
11. Stephen A. Douglas (D-IL)/Howell Cobb (D-GA): Mar. 1 1855-Mar. 1 1861
12. Hamilton Fish (W-NY)/Thomas B. King (W-GA): Mar. 1 1861-Mar. 1 1867
13. John C. Breckenridge (D-KY)/Alexander Stephens (D-GA): Mar. 1 1867-Mar. 1 1873
14. Benjamin F. Butler* (R-MA)/Edwin Stanton (R-OH): Mar. 1 1873-Jun. 11 1873
15. Edwin Stanton (R-OH)/none: Jun. 11 1873-Mar. 1 1879
16. George A. Custer (R-MI)/Oliver Morton (R-IN): Mar. 1 1879-Mar. 1 1885
17. Charles C. Dodge (R-NJ)/John A. Logan (R-IL): Mar. 1 1885-Mar. 1 1891
18. William McKinley (R-OH)/Benjamin Harrison (R-IN): Mar. 1 1891-Mar. 1 1897
19. William J. Bryan (PD**-NE)/Horace Bois (PD-IA): Mar. 1 1897-Mar. 1 1903
20. Thomas E. Watson (PD-GA)/William R. Hearst (PD-NY): Mar. 1 1903-Mar. 1 1909
21. Robert LaFollette (R-WI)/Philander Knox (R-PA): Mar. 1 1909-Mar. 1 1915
22. William H. Taft (R-OH)/Charles E. Hughes (R-NY): Mar. 1 1915-Mar. 1 1921
23. Woodrow Wilson*** (PD-NJ)/A. Mitchell Palmer (PD-PA): Mar. 1 1921-Feb. 2 1924
24. A. Mitchell Palmer (PD-PA)/none: Feb. 2 1924-Mar. 1 1927


*Butler/Stanton ran on an anti-slavery platform in 1872 (the slavery question doesn't explode for another decade since President Clay doesn't annex California--only Oregon and part of Texas). Butler was assasinated by pro-slavery activists, and this sparks the Civil War of 1873-1876.

**People's Democracy Party, a reformed version of the Democrats after their brand was tarnished in the Civil War and Reconstruction of the 1870s/1880s. Notably more populist than OTL Democrats

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« Reply #839 on: October 01, 2019, 08:38:03 PM »

Same scenario as WB's above.

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
14. Abraham Lincoln (Republican→National Union, Illinois) 1861–1865
—. Andrew Johnson (National Union, Tennessee) 1865–1868*
—. Benjamin Franklin Wade (Republican, Massachusetts) 1868–1869
15. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican, Ohio) 1869–1877

16. Rutherford Birchard Hayes (Republican, Ohio) 1877–1881
17. James Abram Garfield (Republican, Ohio) 1881–1881
—. Chester Alan Arthur (Republican, New Jersey) 1881–1882
18. Winfield Scott Hancock (Democratic, Pennsylvania) 1882–1886
—. John Sherman (Republican, Ohio) 1886–1886
19. John Sherman (Republican, Ohio) 1886–1893

20. Stephen Grover Cleveland (Democratic, New York) 1893–1897
21. William McKinley (Republican, Ohio) 1897–1901
—. Theodore Roosevelt, Sr. (Republican, New York) 1901–1902
22. Theodore Roosevelt, Sr. (Republican, New York) 1902–1913
23. William Howard Taft (Republican, Ohio) 1913–1917

24. James Middleton Cox (Democratic, Ohio) 1917–1921
25. Charles Evans Hughes (Republican, New York) 1921–1929
26. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. (Republican, New York) 1929–1933

27. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democratic, New York) 1933–1945
—. Henry Asgard Wallace (Democratic, Iowa) 1945–1945
28. Thomas Edmund Dewey (Republican, New York) 1945–1949
29. James Francis Byrnes (Democratic, South Carolina) 1949–1953
30. Dwight David Eisenhower (Republican, Kansas) 1953–1955
—. Richard Milhous Nixon (Republican, California) 1955–1955
31. Richard Milhous Nixon (Republican, California) 1955–1957
32. Carey Estes Kefauver (Democratic, Tennessee) 1957–1963
—. John Fitzgerald Kennedy (Democratic, Massachusetts) 1963–1963
—. John William McCormack (Democratic, Massachusetts) 1963–1964
33. Hubert Horatio Humphrey (Democratic, Minnesota) 1964–1973
34. Edmund Sixtus Muskie (Democratic, Maine) 1973–1977
35. Ronald Wilson Reagan (Republican, California) 1977–1981
36. Walter Frederick Mondale (Democratic, Minnesota) 1981–1981
—. Lloyd Millard Bentsen (Democratic, Texas) 1981–1981
37. Lloyd Millard Bentsen (Democratic, Texas) 1981–1985
38. George Herbert Walker Bush (Republican, Texas) 1985–1993
39. William Jefferson Clinton (Democratic, Arkansas) 1993–2001
40. George Walker Bush (Republican, Florida) 2001–2005
41. John Forbes Kerry (Democratic, Massachusetts) 2005–2009
42. John Sidney McCain (Republican, Arizona) 2009–2011
—. Joseph Isadore Lieberman (Independent, Connecticut) 2011–2012
43. Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democratic, New York) 2012–2017
44. Marco Antonio Rubio (Republican, Florida) 2017–present
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« Reply #840 on: October 02, 2019, 10:10:58 AM »

37. Richard Nixon (R-NY) (1969-1972)*
1968 : Former Vice President Richard Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro Agnew (R-MD) def. Vice Pres. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)/Sen Edmund Muskie (D-ME) and Gov. George Wallace (I-AL)/Gen. Curtis Lemay (I-CA)

38. Ed Brooke (R-MA) (1972-1981)**
1972 : Pres. Ed Brooke (R-MA)/Gov. Winfield Dunn (R-TN) def. Sen. Vance Hartke (D-IN)/Gov. Reuben Askew (D-FL)

1976 : Pres. Ed Brooke (R-MA)/Vice Pres. Winfield Dunn (R-TN) def. Sen. Frank Church (D-ID)/Sen. George McGovern (D-SD)

39. Mike Gravel (D-AK) (1981-1989)
1980 : Sen. Mike Gravel (D-AK)/Sen. John Glenn (D-OH) def. Vice Pres. Winfield Dunn (R-TN)/Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM)

1984 : Pres. Mike Gravel (D-AK)/Vice Pres. John Glenn (D-OH) def. Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Sen. Jesse Helms (R-NC)

40. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) (1989-1997)
1988 : Former Secretary of Health and Human Services Ted Kennedy (D-MA)/Mayor Maureen O'Connor (D-CA) def. Sen. George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Gov. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

1992 : Pres. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)/Vice President Maureen O'Connor (D-CA) def. Rep. John Kasich (R-OH)/Sen. Bill Cramer (R-FL)

41. Collin Powell (R-VA) (1997-2005)
1996 : Gen. Collin Powell (R-VA)/Sen. Charles Evers (R-MS) def. Gov. Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) and Sen. Haley Barbour (I-MS)/Gov. Jeff Sessions (I-AL)

2000 : Pres. Collin Powell (R-VA)/Vice Pres. Charles Evers (R-MS) def. Sen. Ted Wilson (D-UT)/Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)

42. Bill Clinton (D-AR) (2005-2009)
2004 : Gov. Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Sen. Richard Shelby (D-AL) def. Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS)/Sen. Abel Maldonado (R-CA) and Former Sen. Bob Smith (I-NH)/Former Gov. Mark Warner (I-VA)

43. Condoleezza Rice (R-AL) (2009-2017)
2008 : Sen. Condoleezza Rice (R-AL)/Sen. Abel Maldonado (R-CA) def. Vice Pres. Richard Shelby (D-AL)/Gov. Ronnie Musgrove (D-MS) and Gov. George W. Bush (I-CT)/Sen. Rudy Giulani (I-NY)

2012 : Pres. Condoleezza Rice (R-AL)/Vice Pres. Abel Maldonado (R-CA) def. Mayor Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)

44. Abel Maldonado (R-CA) (2017-Present)
2016 : Vice Pres. Abel Maldonado (R-CA)/Gov. Donald Trump Jr. (R-FL) def. Gov. Barrack Obama/Sen. Caroline Kennedy (D-NY)

*- Assassinated by Samuel Byck years before the actual assassination attempt from OTL on March 15th, 1972



Vice President Careers before and after

39. Spiro Agnew (R-MD) (1969-1971)*
55th Governor of Maryland (1967-1969)
3rd Baltimore County Executive (1962-1966)

40. Ed Brooke (R-MA) (1971-1972)**
38th President of the United States (1972-1981)
United States Senator from Massachusetts (1967-1971)
51st Attorney General of Massachusetts (1963-1967)

41. Gerald Ford (R-MI) (1972-1973)***
Speaker of the House (1977-1979); (1983-1987); (1993-2001)
House Majority Leader (1975-1977)
House Majority Whip (1973-1975)
House Minority Leader (1965-1972); (1979-1983); and (1987-1993)
Leader of the House Republican Conference (1965-1972)
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Michigan's 5th District (1949-1972); (1973-2001)


42. Winfield Dunn (R-TN) (1973-1981)
62nd United States Secretary of State (1997-2001)
United States Senator from Tennessee (1983-1987); (1995-1997)
43rd and 47th Governor of Tennessee (1971-1973); (1987-1991)

43. John Glenn (D-OH) (1981-1989)
United States Senator from Ohio (1974-1981)

44. Maureen O'Connor (D-CA) (1989-1997)
United States Senator from California (2013-Present)
38th Governor of California (2003-2007)
31st Mayor of San Diego (1983-1989)

45. Charles Evers (R-MS) (Was an Independent from 1979-1983) (1997-2005)
United States Senator from Mississippi (1979-1997)
Mayor of Fayette, Mississippi (1969-1979)

46. Richard Shelby (D-AL) (2005-2009)
United States Senator from Alabama (1987-2005)
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Alabama's 7th District (1979-1987)
Member of the Alabama Senate from the 16th District (1971-1979)

47. Abel Maldonado (R-CA) (2009-2017)
44th President of the United States (2017-Present)
Senate Majority Whip (2007-2009)
United States Senator from California (2001-2009)
Member of the California State Assembly from the 33rd District (1998-2001)
Mayor of Santa Maria (1996-1998)

48. Donald Trump Jr. (R-FL) (2017-Present)
44th Governor of Florida (2011-2017)
Mayor of Palm Beach, Florida (2003-2011)

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« Reply #841 on: October 02, 2019, 08:40:08 PM »

Early Socialist Regime
In 1880, the increasingly popular Albert Parsons (Socialist Labor) is elected the 20th president of the United States. His socialist backers enact a large government and economic reform, including the division of powers between the President (left) and Chancellor (right) elected by congress. The President is limited to one term at a time but the Chancellor can continue to be elected for unlimited terms. Congress would be elected every 4 years during the midterm of the Presidency.

20. Albert Parsons
(1881-1885)
Philip Van Patten
(1883-1885)
The Socialist Labor government begins passing more authoritarian measures to cement their power. Parsons ends up passing these measures under great pressure but his  reluctance still causes the party to depose him and his chosen successor, Eugene Debs.
21. Philip Van Patten
(1885-1889)
George W. Howard
(1885-1887)
James B. Weaver
(1887-1891)
Van Patten takes the presidency but his circle is shaken after their successor Chancellor, George W. Howard is replaced by the moderate Weaver in the midterm. Chancellor Weaver exerts his power to force the party to allow multiple member to stand for the presidency.
22. Albert Parsons
(1889-1893)
Parsons and Weaver promise to begin restoring liberty to the US but are limited by the power that Van Patten's circle still holds. They allow a limited multi-party system, with the SLP splitting into the Marxist Party, Labor Party (Socialist, Soft Authoritarian), Social Democrats, and National Socialists. The 4 parties are bound the the Worker's Coalition however, essentially ensuring that Labor will hold the presidency. The Republican Party is also allowed to return in limited capacity by espousing "Socialist Liberalism", which is really Social Liberalism.
James B. Weaver
SD-LP-MP-NS
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23. George W. Howard
(1893-1897)
Thomas E. Watson
LP-MP
(1895-1899)
24. Charles H. Matchett
(1897-1901)
Thomas E. Watson
LP-SD
(1899-1903)
The Social Democrats provide the only viable coalition and force Watson to bring forward reforms for political liberalization. Matchett of course vetoes as party insiders planned but surprisingly a coalition in congress arises to overturn it and Watson allows this to prevent a VoNC. Citizens now have far greater political freedom than before in the regime. The Liberty Coalition (Libertarianism, Liberal Conservatism) is founded and becomes allies with the reinvigorated Republicans. The Social Democrats also see a brief surge in support.
25. Joseph F. Malloney
(1901-1905)
Eugene Debs
SD-LP-MP
(1903-1907)
26. William Jennings Bryan
(1905-1909)
The Social Democrats once again shake the nation by abandoning the Worker's Coalition Entirely and backing Republican Theodore Roosevelt as chancellor. Labor no longer holds the power to stop this and the 2 dissenting parties along with the Liberty Coalition form the Democratic Restoration Alliance to end the regime once and for all.
Theodore Roosevelt
RP-SD-LC
(1907-1911)
27. William Howard Taft
(1909-1913)
The Taft-Roosevelt government makes more sweeping reforms, to the point where Americans have more freedoms than they did before the regime. The Republicans and Liberty Coalition merge to form the Liberal Party.
Theodore Roosevelt
Lib-SD
(1911-1915)
28. Hiram Johnson
(1913-1917)
Woodrow Wilson
SD-Lib
(1915-1919)
29. Calvin Coolidge
(1917-1921)
Woodrow Wilson, amidst growing disagreements between the Social Democrats and Liberals, turns to the remaining Labor Party for support, ending the DRA.
Woodrow Wilson
SD-Lab
(1919-1923)
30. Robert LaFollette
(1921-1925)
Woodrow Wilson
SD
(1923-1927)
Remaining leftists form the New Democrats and begin attracting many more members due to both major parties taking a shift to the right.
31. Herbert Hoover
(1925-1929)
The Liberals rebrand as the Liberal-Conservatives, embracing the right, while the Social Democrats take on a more centrist platform.
Charles Curtis
LC
(1927-1931)
32. Al Smith
(1929-1933)
With an economic downturn, chaos in the elections ensues as anti-establishment movements grow. Curtis, looking to avoid the New Dems taking power, brashly allies with the long disregarded National Socialists.
Charles Curtis
LC-NS
(1931-1935)
33. Virgil Effinger
(1933-1937)
The National Socialists, now holding the presidency thanks to the chaos, influence the LCs to replace Curtis with Alf Landon, who truly acts as a palatable puppet for the fascist group.
Alf Landon
LC-NS
(1935-1939)
34. William D. Pelley
(1937-1941)
Virgil Effinger
NS
(1939-1943)
35. Franklin D. Roosevelt
(1941-1945)
Wendell Willkie
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America had another close call with authoritarianism, but ultimately the National Socialists were defeated before permanent damage could be done. This period also devastated the Liberal-Conservatives, who are now relegated to a minor rightist party. The major parties are now the New Democrats (Center-left) and the Social Democrats(Center-right). Liberalism will forever be remembered as an initially well intentioned ideology that brought the world fascism. Meanwhile, "Social Democracy" (now best described as compassionate conservatism) leads the global right. Both the SDP and NDP are expressly anti-communist and anti-fascist, trending towards the center. Roosevelt and Willkie also agree to end the parliamentary system and extend presidential term limits to 2 terms, with Roosevelt being reelected in 1944 and being the undisputed executive leader for the first time since the last century.

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« Reply #842 on: October 09, 2019, 01:32:03 AM »

Prime Ministers of the U.K.

William Ewart Gladstone (Liberal) 1892–1894
Archibald Primrose, the Earl of Rosebery (Liberal) 1894–1895,
Robert Gascoyne Cecil, the Marquess of Salisbury (Conservative) 1895–1899, died
Arthur Balfour (Conservative) 1899–1910, died
Alucard De Ville (Conservative, then Nationalist) 1910–1945, deposed in palace coup
Wilhemina Murray-Harker (Nationalist) 1945–1968, overthrown in popular uprising
Lucy Van Helsing (Humanist) 1968–1975
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« Reply #843 on: October 11, 2019, 10:47:03 PM »
« Edited: October 11, 2019, 10:52:12 PM by Captain Thunder »

George W. Bush/Dick Cheney 2001-2009 (Same thing as usual)
Al Gore/John Edwards 2009-2014 (Wins overwhelmingly in 2012)
Al Gore/Evan Bayh 2013-14 (Edwards resigns, part 1)
Evan Bayh/Joe Biden 2014-17 (When everything comes down)
Ben Carson/Scott Walker 2017-2021 (Outsider trick, oops...)
Barack Obama/Julian Castro 2021-2029 (Progressive icon)
Julian Castro/Pete Buttigieg 2029-2033 (4 more years!)
Marco Rubio/Tom Cotton 2033-2041 (Very good)
Beto O'Rourke/Tulsi Gabbard 2041-2049 (Texas analogue plus neocon veep)
George P. Bush/Dan Crenshaw 2049-2057 (Why not Bush?)
Rami Malek/Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 2057-present (Well he WAS born in LA)

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« Reply #844 on: October 15, 2019, 09:10:58 PM »

Flipped tickets since 1988.

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
40. Lloyd Millard Bentsen (Democratic, Texas) 1989–1993
41. Albert Arnold Gore (Democratic, Tennessee) 1993–2001
42. Richard Bruce Cheney (Republican, Texas) 2001–2005
43. Johnny Reid Edwards (Democratic, North Carolina) 2005–2009
44. Joseph Robinette Biden (Democratic, Delaware) 2009–2017
45. Michael Richard Pence (Republican, Indiana) 2017–incumbent
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« Reply #845 on: October 18, 2019, 05:23:42 PM »

The New Deal Continues

Lyndon Johnson/Hubert Humphrey: (1963-1969)
Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie: (1969 - 1977)

Howard Baker/Daniel Evans: (1977 - 1985)
Gary Hart/ Al Gore (1985 - 1993)
Al Gore/ Ann Richards (1993 - 2001)

John McCain/ Lamar Alexander (2001 - 2009)
John Edwards/ Kathleen Sebelius (2009 - 2017)
Kathleen Sebelius/ Sherrod Brown (2017 - present)


Defeated Tickets

1968 - Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew
1972 - Ronald Reagan/ John Ashbrook

1976 - Edmund Muskie/ George McGovern
1980 - Jim Hunt/ Jimmy Carter

1984 - Daniel Evans/ George HW Bush
1988 - Bob Dole/ Paul Laxalt
1992 - Pete Wilson/ John McCain
1996 - Pete Wilson/ Richard Lugar

2000 - Ann Richards/ John Kerry
2004 - Joe Lieberman/ Bob Graham

2008 - Lamar Alexander/ Ben Campbell
2012 - Olympia Snowe/ Charlie Crist
2016 - John Kasich/ Mark Kirk

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« Reply #846 on: October 18, 2019, 11:35:16 PM »

President Romney (George Romney that is) and Beyond:

37. George Romney / Mark Hatfield (Republican): 1969-1977
38. Scoop Jackson / Birch Bayh (Democratic): 1977-1981
39. Howard Baker / Donald Rumsfeld (Republican): 1981-1989
40. Al Gore / Lee Hamilton (Democratic): 1989-1997
41. John McCain / Jim Edgar (Republican): 1997-2005
42. John Kerry / Dick Gephardt (Democratic): 2005-2009
43. Sam Brownback / Mitt Romney (Republican): 2009-2013
44. Russ Feingold / Brian Schweitzer (Democratic): 2013-2021
45. Brian Schweitzer / Elizabeth Warren (Democratic): 2021-Present

Defeated Tickets:
1968: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie (Democratic),George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
1972: Edmund Muskie / George McGovern (Democratic)
1976: Ronald Reagan / Gerald Ford (Republican)
1980: Scoop Jackson / Birch Bayh (Democratic)
1984: Birch Bayh / Gary Hart (Democratic)
1988: Donald Rumsfeld / Jack Kemp (Republican)
1992: Bob Dole / Carroll Campbell (Republican)
1996: Bill Clinton / Bill Bradley (Democratic)
2000: Paul Wellstone/ Ann Richards (Democratic)
2004: Fred Thompson / Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
2008: John Kerry / Dick Gephardt (Republican)
2012: Sam Brownback / Mitt Romney (Republican)
2016: Chris Christie / Eric Cantor (Republican)
2020: John Kasich / John Thune (Republican)
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« Reply #847 on: October 25, 2019, 06:12:24 PM »

If Congress passed Hillarycare

Bill Clinton/Al Gore (1993-1997)
Arlen Specter/Christine Whitman (1997-2001)
Hillary Clinton/Evan Bayh (2001-2005) (1)
W. Mitt Romney/Tom Ridge (2005-2013)
Claire McCaskill/Artur Davis (2013-)

1. Hillary ran for Senate in Arkansas in 1996 and wins.
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« Reply #848 on: October 25, 2019, 08:16:47 PM »

In 1951 the 22nd Amendment was passed. What if, in this timeline, the 22nd amendment specified only one 6 year term for Presidents. The first election to consider this was in 1952.

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-NY): 1953-1959
35. Richard Nixon (R-CA): 1959-1965
36. John F. Kennedy (D-MA): 1965-1968*
37. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): 1968-1971
38. George Romney (R-MI): 1971-1977
39. Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA): 1977-1983**
40. Ronald Reagan (R-CA): 1983-1989
41. Gary Hart (D-CO): 1989-1991***
42. Albert Gore (D-TN): 1991-1995
43. Robert Dole (R-KS): 1995-2001
44. William Clinton (D-AR): 2001-2007
45. W. Mitt Romney (R-MA): 2007-2013
46. Joseph Biden (D-DE): 2013-2019
47. Marco Rubio (R-FL): 2019-present

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**Attempted Assassination in California, 1978
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« Reply #849 on: October 25, 2019, 09:37:07 PM »

In 1951 the 22nd Amendment was passed. What if, in this timeline, the 22nd amendment specified only one 6 year term for Presidents. The first election to consider this was in 1952.

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-NY): 1953-1959
35. Richard Nixon (R-CA): 1959-1965
36. John F. Kennedy (D-MA): 1965-1968*
37. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): 1968-1971
38. George Romney (R-MI): 1971-1977
39. Robert F. Kennedy (D-MA): 1977-1983**
40. Ronald Reagan (R-CA): 1983-1989
41. Gary Hart (D-CO): 1989-1991***
42. Albert Gore (D-TN): 1991-1995
43. Robert Dole (R-KS): 1995-2001
44. William Clinton (D-AR): 2001-2007
45. W. Mitt Romney (R-MA): 2007-2013
46. Joseph Biden (D-DE): 2013-2019
47. Marco Rubio (R-FL): 2019-present

*Assassinated in Dallas, 1968
**Attempted Assassination in California, 1978
***Resigned after lying under oath, 1991


Vice Presidents:

36. Richard Nixon (R-CA): 1953-1959
37. Thomas Dewey (R-NY): 1959-1965
38. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): 1965-1968
Vacant (1968-1969)
39. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN): 1969-1971
40. Howard Baker (R-TN): 1971-1977
41. Shirley Chisholm (D-NY): 1977-1983
42. George H.W. Bush (R-TX): 1983-1989
43. Albert Gore (D-TN): 1989-1991
Vacant (1991)
44. Jerry Brown (D-CA): 1991-1995
45. Arlen Specter (R-PA): 1995-2001
46. Bill Bradley (D-NJ): 2001-2007
47. Tom Ridge (R-PA): 2007-2013
48. Julian Castro (D-TX): 2013-2019
49. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH): 2019-present

Losing Tickets:

1952: Adlai Stevenson/John Sparkman
1958: Adlai Stevenson/Estes Kefauver
1964: Thomas Dewey/Barry Goldwater
1970: Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey
1976: Howard Baker/Spiro Agnew
1982: George McGovern/Geraldine Ferraro
1988: George H.W. Bush/Phil Crane
1994: Albert Gore/Jerry Brown
2000: George W. Bush/Bob Smith
2006: John Edwards/Joe Lieberman
2012: John McCain/Chris Christie
2018: Elizabeth Warren/Pete Buttgieg
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