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Lincoln Republican
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 09, 2015, 10:59:20 PM »
I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 09, 2015, 11:39:26 PM »
Quote from: Lincoln Republican on December 09, 2015, 10:59:20 PM
I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.
To be fair, "President
Pro Tempore
" is Latin as well, and Atlasia has obvious historical ties to the Roman Republic. I don't want to get into a long argument about names, however; is there another title you would prefer? We've already named the House leader the "Speaker" and the VP the "President of Congress," so the two most obvious titles are in use. I suppose we could always just leave it up to the Senate itself (in fact, that might be the best option).
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Prince of Salem
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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Reply #277 on:
December 10, 2015, 12:27:32 AM »
Quote from: Senator Truman on December 09, 2015, 11:39:26 PM
Quote from: Lincoln Republican on December 09, 2015, 10:59:20 PM
I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.
To be fair, "President
Pro Tempore
" is Latin as well, and Atlasia has obvious historical ties to the Roman Republic. I don't want to get into a long argument about names, however; is there another title you would prefer? We've already named the House leader the "Speaker" and the VP the "President of Congress," so the two most obvious titles are in use. I suppose we could always just leave it up to the Senate itself (in fact, that might be the best option).
This could be a good compromise.
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Clyde1998
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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Reply #278 on:
December 10, 2015, 10:12:39 AM »
Quote from: Senator Truman on December 09, 2015, 11:39:26 PM
Quote from: Lincoln Republican on December 09, 2015, 10:59:20 PM
I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.
To be fair, "President
Pro Tempore
" is Latin as well, and Atlasia has obvious historical ties to the Roman Republic. I don't want to get into a long argument about names, however; is there another title you would prefer? We've already named the House leader the "Speaker" and the VP the "President of Congress," so the two most obvious titles are in use. I suppose we could always just leave it up to the Senate itself (in fact, that might be the best option).
Does the Vice President need an additional title? Although, as you said, it will be best to leave it up the the Senate.
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Lincoln Republican
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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Reply #279 on:
December 10, 2015, 12:25:25 PM »
We could consider the title Executive Senator.
It is different from anything used in the real life United States Senate and would be distinctively Atlasian.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
Harry S Truman
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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Reply #280 on:
December 10, 2015, 12:31:50 PM »
Quote from: Clyde1998 on December 10, 2015, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: Senator Truman on December 09, 2015, 11:39:26 PM
Quote from: Lincoln Republican on December 09, 2015, 10:59:20 PM
I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.
To be fair, "President
Pro Tempore
" is Latin as well, and Atlasia has obvious historical ties to the Roman Republic. I don't want to get into a long argument about names, however; is there another title you would prefer? We've already named the House leader the "Speaker" and the VP the "President of Congress," so the two most obvious titles are in use. I suppose we could always just leave it up to the Senate itself (in fact, that might be the best option).
Does the Vice President need an additional title? Although, as you said, it will be best to leave it up the the Senate.
I think it's important, constitutionally speaking, to distinguish the VP's role as President of Congress from his role in the Administration. In the past, we've had vice presidents who have played an important role in advancing the president's agenda, even serving on the cabinet. I see this as a good thing (it prevents the office from becoming the "bucket of warm piss" that it was under the U.S. Constitution), but it's important to separate these partisan responsibilities from the nonpartisan job of coordinating the two houses of Congress. On a more stylistic note, naming the VP the "President of Congress" allows us to allude to this second duty without launching into a long-winded, legalistic description of the post (one that would almost certainly be imperfect and subject to frequent amendments, as the VP's current role as President of the Senate has been).
I hereby introduce a motion to strike the title "Senatus Princeps" from the text and replace it with the word "leader," allowing the Senate to select their presiding officer's title. Delegates have 24 hours to object.
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 10, 2015, 05:22:36 PM »
Considering how big of a deal we made over regional self-determination, I like the compromise for senatorial self-determination here. This is the sort of direction we should be going in.
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 03:46:27 AM »
Quote from: Senator PiT on December 10, 2015, 05:22:36 PM
Considering how big of a deal we made over regional self-determination, I like the compromise for senatorial self-determination here. This is the sort of direction we should be going in.
Agreed.
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Clyde1998
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 07:07:40 AM »
I object to the proposal.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
Harry S Truman
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 01:37:58 PM »
Very well. A vote is now open on Truman's proposal. Please vote AYE, NAY, or Abstain. Voting will last 48 hours or until all delegates have voted.
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 05:46:31 PM »
Aye
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Lincoln Republican
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 05:50:29 PM »
Aye
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Harry S Truman
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 06:15:30 PM »
AYE!
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NeverAgain
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 06:20:58 PM »
Aye
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 06:24:35 PM »
AYE
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 06:28:14 PM »
Aye
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 06:30:45 PM »
aye
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Clyde1998
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 06:35:02 PM »
Abstain
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I feel that simply replacing the word 'senatus princeps' with 'leader' doesn't complete section two, clause three.
I propose something along the lines of:
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Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 11, 2015, 06:50:34 PM »
Aye
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 12, 2015, 07:58:28 AM »
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 12, 2015, 08:45:05 AM »
AYE
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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December 12, 2015, 11:24:40 AM »
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I shall abstain as Clyde does make a pretty good point with regards to his proposed amendment.
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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