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  Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating) (search mode)
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JohanusCalvinusLibertas
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« on: October 28, 2015, 06:46:12 pm »

Bicameral

Opportunity to be a voice in our government will drive activity in ways one on one recruitment won't plus this could be a workable compromise towards those of us that consolidation will negatively impact.
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2015, 02:15:35 pm »

We could always have the cabinet being made up of people who have been elected to the Senate/House - in order to keep the numbers down and to make sure that elected officials fill these roles.

The Senate would have to go up to 6 or down to three since we have three regions.
It depends on how the elections are run - you could have three regional seats for both and two at-large seats. (I can't remember if we've agreed something on this).

In essence a semi presidential system minus a prime minister. Unless we make the Speaker of the House such.
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JohanusCalvinusLibertas
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2015, 02:38:05 pm »

6 member senate all elected at large and either a 9 or 11 person house elected by the regions. It's very simple. It gives regions a direct way to elect their representatives and let's the senate represent the entire nation sort of like it's done now.

It's that simple. Let's not overthink this.

I can work with that.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2015, 08:41:54 pm »

Aye,

It's a start but Duke makes an intelligent point.

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JohanusCalvinusLibertas
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 02:06:06 pm »


I'm open to endorse Dukes plan in principle.
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MyRescueKittehRocks
JohanusCalvinusLibertas
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2015, 06:30:14 pm »

We must never, NEVER, take away from the people their right to decide who is elected to represent them in ANY office.

Legislatures elect  Senators?

Have some around here lost their minds?

And I am in no way convinced that we need yet another legislative body to complicate things further.   

Prior to the 17th amendment the legislatures of the states elected the senate. Why shouldn't we do that.

Lincoln, the voice of the people isn't being stifled by their regional legislatures if those legislatures are electing the senators. The people's will is expressed in the legislatures decision and that same legislature can recall a rogue senator.
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2015, 12:32:34 am »

I go on record as being vehemently opposed to members of Regional Legislatures electing representatives of the people.

Only the people should be electing those who will represent them in government.

ALL eligible voters in Atlasia should be allowed to participate in the election of those who govern us, not just members of Regional Legislatures.

The Seventeenth Amendment dates from 1913 by the way.  This is 2015.   

And it's an amendment who's time has come to die. The House is the voice of the people and the Senate is the voice of the states. That how the Constitution meant it to be. Wilson and his ilk of progressives didn't want the states to have a direct voice in government and that's how the direct election of senators happened. A return to stronger states (via regional assemblies electing senators) is what Atlasia and RL America needs.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2015, 02:09:26 am »

Letting the legislatures pick their senators just opens the door to crony politics, and deprives the people of who to they wish to represent their region in the chamber. Moreover, an election game on life support should not be cutting a competitive and engrossing set of elections if it wants to survive.

JCL, leave your bankrupt ideology in the trashbin of history. There is a reason irl America discarded the broken practice of letting state legislatures anoint their senators. It has no place irl or in this game.

Actually, I'm trying to restore a more republican form of democratic governance. Its not a bankrupt point of view. Plus it'll make this assembly seats more important to win. Crony politics are what got us to this point and substantial changes have to be made. Some such changes (consolidation) should not be made.
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2015, 12:23:04 pm »

1. C
2. D
3. B
4. A
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2015, 06:55:43 pm »


OFFICIAL BALLOT
Principle Vote on House Membership
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[3] The House of Representatives shall consist of 7 Members.
[2] The House of Representative shall consist of 9 Members.
[1] The House of Representatives shall consist of 11 Members.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2015, 06:25:51 pm »


OFFICIAL BALLOT
Principle Vote on Fluctuating House Membership
Should the number of seats in the House of Representatives fluctuate in proportion to the number of candidates in the most recent election?
[  ] YES
[ X ] NO
[   ] Abstain

Principle Vote on House Elections
How should the House of Representatives be elected? (Please use STV)
[ 3 ] At-Large
[ 1 ] Regionally
[ 2 ] From Districts
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MyRescueKittehRocks
JohanusCalvinusLibertas
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2015, 11:24:40 am »
« Edited: December 12, 2015, 07:54:21 pm by Assemblyman JCL and the geologist »

I shall abstain as Clyde does make a pretty good point with regards to his proposed amendment.
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