Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)

[Senator Cris]

This thread will be about structure and size of the Senate.

Constitution articles about it:

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[Senator Cris]

If someone wants to discuss about bicameralism, this is the right thread.

[Senator Cris]

As I said in the Regional thread, we really need to wipe the slate clean before rebuilding the government. I therefore propose the following amendment:

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Delegates have 24 hours to object.

[Senator Cris]

I object to the Truman's amendment, only because Sections 5, 6, 7 of this Article are being discussed in another thread.
I'd suggest to wipe only Sections 1, 2, 3, 4 of this Article.

[Senator Cris]

I object to the Truman's amendment, only because Sections 5, 6, 7 of this Article are being discussed in another thread.

If my fellow delegates would prefer, I would be happy to introduce a separate amendment dealing with Sections 5, 6, and 7 in the Senate Powers thread.

I think it would be fine.
Should I interpretate that as a withdraw of your amendment and then a new amendment to wipe Sections 1, 2, 3, 4?

[Senator Cris]

Delegates have 24 hours to object to the new Truman's amendment.

[Senator Cris]

The amendment has been adopted.

[Senator Cris]

When speaking of Senate, this is my preferred plan:

- 3 regions;
- 7 Senate seats: 3 per region and 1 elected At-Large.

At-Large elections for 5 seats are one of the evils of this game. At-Large elections for 1 seat are one of the most beautiful things of this game, so this is my preferred plan.

[Senator Cris]

I propose we act about this matter after that the number of regions is established in the other thread.

[Senator Cris]

We already know there will be 3 regions, so we should start to work on this.

[Senator Cris]

Are you ok with a principle vote on bicameralism?

[Senator Cris]

It's time for a principle vote. It'll last 48 hours.

What legislative system do you support?

[ ] Bicameralism
[ ] Unicameralism
[ ] Abstain

[Senator Cris]

Abstain

[Senator Cris]

Bicameralism won.

[Senator Cris]

Delegates are 24 hours to object.

Well, you are assuming the VP office will be abolished. But it's not a sure thing.

We can pass your amendment, but it might be changed soon if the VP office will NOT be abolished (I think there will be a principle vote on it soon).

[Senator Cris]

I like the Griffin's amendment.
I think the parts about the Senate, the House and the timing of elections are perfect.

But I have a few suggestions: I'd suggest to add that we are electing Senators/Representatives with STV. and also I'd add an At-Large Senator. At-Large elections for 1 seat are beautiful.

I'll support Griffin's amendment.
But at the same time if the principle vote on the VP position (that will be hold in another thread) will provide to keep the VP position, I'll propose an amendment to the current text letting the Vice President to break the tie.

[Senator Cris]

A 48-hours vote on Griffin's amendment is now open. Please vote.

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[Senator Cris]

Aye

I strongly encourage my fellow delegates to support this amendment. It's not perfect, but it's a good starting point. We can change it.

[Senator Cris]

The amendment passed.

[Senator Cris]

This proposal is identic at the new Italy reform: an House elected by the people and the Senate elected by regional governments.

It's an interesting idea, no doubts, but I prefer to keep the people electing their Senators. Or we might let regions decide how to elect their Senators, it would mean more powers to regions and I like that.

[Senator Cris]

If we are going to let the legislatures elect regional senators or let regions decide how to elect their senators (regions might be able to decide that the legislature shall elect them), we should adress this point: shall legislators select a citizen that's not a legislator or shall legislators be able to select themselves? If yes, regional legislators would be Senators at the same time and, to be honest, I don't think it's a good fit for activity purpose.

[Senator Cris]

1. Option D
2. Option A

Let the regions have more powers.

[Senator Cris]

I don't think we should let the number of seats in the House to fluctuate in proportion to the number of candidates.

[Senator Cris]

Isn't this a 48-hours vote? Truman opened the vote November 22 at 03:00 PM. So I guess it's still open.

A vote is now open on the following proposals. Voting will last 48 hours or until all delegates have voted.

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No
Abstain

I'm voting Abstain because I have the fear that all 9 seats elected at-large would lead to a not exciting election, like the current At-Large ones. But at the same tim we can't have all seats elected by districts.

[Senator Cris]

Aye