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« Reply #275 on: December 09, 2015, 10:59:20 pm »

I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.

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« Reply #276 on: December 09, 2015, 11:39:26 pm »

I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.
To be fair, "President Pro Tempore" is Latin as well, and Atlasia has obvious historical ties to the Roman Republic. I don't want to get into a long argument about names, however; is there another title you would prefer? We've already named the House leader the "Speaker" and the VP the "President of Congress," so the two most obvious titles are in use. I suppose we could always just leave it up to the Senate itself (in fact, that might be the best option).
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« Reply #277 on: December 10, 2015, 12:27:32 am »

I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.
To be fair, "President Pro Tempore" is Latin as well, and Atlasia has obvious historical ties to the Roman Republic. I don't want to get into a long argument about names, however; is there another title you would prefer? We've already named the House leader the "Speaker" and the VP the "President of Congress," so the two most obvious titles are in use. I suppose we could always just leave it up to the Senate itself (in fact, that might be the best option).

This could be a good compromise.
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« Reply #278 on: December 10, 2015, 10:12:39 am »

I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.
To be fair, "President Pro Tempore" is Latin as well, and Atlasia has obvious historical ties to the Roman Republic. I don't want to get into a long argument about names, however; is there another title you would prefer? We've already named the House leader the "Speaker" and the VP the "President of Congress," so the two most obvious titles are in use. I suppose we could always just leave it up to the Senate itself (in fact, that might be the best option).
Does the Vice President need an additional title? Although, as you said, it will be best to leave it up the the Senate.
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« Reply #279 on: December 10, 2015, 12:25:25 pm »

We could consider the title Executive Senator.

It is different from anything used in the real life United States Senate and would be distinctively Atlasian.   
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« Reply #280 on: December 10, 2015, 12:31:50 pm »

I agree, clearly we do not want to be using parliamentary titles, but we should not be using Latin terms either.
To be fair, "President Pro Tempore" is Latin as well, and Atlasia has obvious historical ties to the Roman Republic. I don't want to get into a long argument about names, however; is there another title you would prefer? We've already named the House leader the "Speaker" and the VP the "President of Congress," so the two most obvious titles are in use. I suppose we could always just leave it up to the Senate itself (in fact, that might be the best option).
Does the Vice President need an additional title? Although, as you said, it will be best to leave it up the the Senate.
I think it's important, constitutionally speaking, to distinguish the VP's role as President of Congress from his role in the Administration. In the past, we've had vice presidents who have played an important role in advancing the president's agenda, even serving on the cabinet. I see this as a good thing (it prevents the office from becoming the "bucket of warm piss" that it was under the U.S. Constitution), but it's important to separate these partisan responsibilities from the nonpartisan job of coordinating the two houses of Congress. On a more stylistic note, naming the VP the "President of Congress" allows us to allude to this second duty without launching into a long-winded, legalistic description of the post (one that would almost certainly be imperfect and subject to frequent amendments, as the VP's current role as President of the Senate has been).



I hereby introduce a motion to strike the title "Senatus Princeps" from the text and replace it with the word "leader," allowing the Senate to select their presiding officer's title. Delegates have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #281 on: December 10, 2015, 05:22:36 pm »

     Considering how big of a deal we made over regional self-determination, I like the compromise for senatorial self-determination here. This is the sort of direction we should be going in.
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« Reply #282 on: December 11, 2015, 03:46:27 am »

Considering how big of a deal we made over regional self-determination, I like the compromise for senatorial self-determination here. This is the sort of direction we should be going in.

Agreed.
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« Reply #283 on: December 11, 2015, 07:07:40 am »

I object to the proposal.
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« Reply #284 on: December 11, 2015, 01:37:58 pm »

Very well. A vote is now open on Truman's proposal. Please vote AYE, NAY, or Abstain. Voting will last 48 hours or until all delegates have voted.

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« Reply #285 on: December 11, 2015, 05:46:31 pm »

     Aye
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« Reply #286 on: December 11, 2015, 05:50:29 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #287 on: December 11, 2015, 06:15:30 pm »

AYE!
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« Reply #288 on: December 11, 2015, 06:20:58 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #289 on: December 11, 2015, 06:24:35 pm »

AYE
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« Reply #290 on: December 11, 2015, 06:28:14 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #291 on: December 11, 2015, 06:30:45 pm »

aye
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« Reply #292 on: December 11, 2015, 06:35:02 pm »

Abstain.

I feel that simply replacing the word 'senatus princeps' with 'leader' doesn't complete section two, clause three.

I propose something along the lines of:
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« Reply #293 on: December 11, 2015, 06:50:34 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #294 on: December 12, 2015, 07:48:34 am »

Abstain
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« Reply #295 on: December 12, 2015, 07:58:28 am »

Aye
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« Reply #296 on: December 12, 2015, 08:45:05 am »

AYE
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« Reply #297 on: December 12, 2015, 11:24:40 am »
« Edited: December 12, 2015, 07:54:21 pm by Assemblyman JCL and the geologist »

I shall abstain as Clyde does make a pretty good point with regards to his proposed amendment.
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« Reply #298 on: December 12, 2015, 07:31:01 pm »

Abstain
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« Reply #299 on: December 12, 2015, 08:40:28 pm »

Abstain
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