BREAKING: Roe v. Wade might be overruled or severely weakened by SCOTUS

[NewYorkExpress]

Most likely scenario is a 5-4 decision with any one of the Roberts/Kavanaugh/Coney Barett/Gorsuch group joining the liberals, reversing Roe v. Wade, and ruling that states also cannot legalize abortion.

[Bootes Void]

Most likely scenario is a 5-4 decision with any one of the Roberts/Kavanaugh/Coney Barett/Gorsuch group joining the liberals, reversing Roe v. Wade, and ruling that states also cannot legalize abortion.

If the blue states just said no to this, what would happen hypothetically saying, after all who would enforce it?

[NewYorkExpress]

Most likely scenario is a 5-4 decision with any one of the Roberts/Kavanaugh/Coney Barett/Gorsuch group joining the liberals, reversing Roe v. Wade, and ruling that states also cannot legalize abortion.

If the blue states just said no to this, what would happen hypothetically saying, after all who would enforce it?

I can easily see Red State Governors raising militias and invading Blue states to enforce said ruling.

[R.P. McM]

Most likely scenario is a 5-4 decision with any one of the Roberts/Kavanaugh/Coney Barett/Gorsuch group joining the liberals, reversing Roe v. Wade, and ruling that states also cannot legalize abortion.

If the blue states just said no to this, what would happen hypothetically saying, after all who would enforce it?

That's where this is all headed, sadly. Which is why I favor a peaceful partition.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Most likely scenario is a 5-4 decision with any one of the Roberts/Kavanaugh/Coney Barett/Gorsuch group joining the liberals, reversing Roe v. Wade, and ruling that states also cannot legalize abortion.

If the blue states just said no to this, what would happen hypothetically saying, after all who would enforce it?

I can easily see Red State Governors raising militias and invading Blue states to enforce said ruling.

What lmao

[junior chįmp]

It's not necessary to have an abortion it was never necessary, adoption was at records in 1970s and 1980s and thanks to Covid, we are returning back to adoptions

Lol pro life OC

[Person Man]

Most likely scenario is a 5-4 decision with any one of the Roberts/Kavanaugh/Coney Barett/Gorsuch group joining the liberals, reversing Roe v. Wade, and ruling that states also cannot legalize abortion.

If the blue states just said no to this, what would happen hypothetically saying, after all who would enforce it?

I can easily see Red State Governors raising militias and invading Blue states to enforce said ruling.

What lmao

Most likely it will just open them up to civil liability and most judges that would rule that the defendant would owe $1 or something like that since there would be no way to prove damages. Judges can’t make criminal laws.

[GoTfan]

I think it's pretty likely that the 15 week ban in Mississippi will be allowed to stand, but the other question is whether the Supreme Court would go further.  There's a huge difference between allowing late 1st/early 2nd trimester bans and fully overturning Roe v. Wade.  I'm concerned that it could be a 5-4 ruling against allowing states to fully protect the unborn (with Thomas, Alito, Barrett, and Gorsuch dissenting).  I've had concerns about Kavanaugh being weak on life from the day he was nominated.

Praying that the justices will do the right thing and that abortion will finally come to an end in this nation!!

You hate women.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I think you would see mass mobilisation of pro-choice Americans and a mass drain of demographic and economic drain from states where there would be default anti-choice legislation.

So, Ohio, West Virginia, Missouri, Iowa are doomed economically?

Certainly not! Those states are doing fantastic now. Every day one of my friends at the bagel shop says, boy, I can't wait til my number comes up and I can move to Huntington, WV or Branson, MO!

Glad to see "socialists" express contempt for economically deprived areas.

It's entirely their fault we're in the current predicament. Yeah, the WWC of WV, MO, etc., valued their racial/religious animus above their economic wellbeing. So please, don't expect me to shed a tear for them. They're getting exactly what they voted for, and exactly what they deserve.

[R.P. McM]

Most likely scenario is a 5-4 decision with any one of the Roberts/Kavanaugh/Coney Barett/Gorsuch group joining the liberals, reversing Roe v. Wade, and ruling that states also cannot legalize abortion.

If the blue states just said no to this, what would happen hypothetically saying, after all who would enforce it?

I can easily see Red State Governors raising militias and invading Blue states to enforce said ruling.

What lmao

Yeah, at the moment, that seems like an extremely remote prospect. But what were you saying prior to the 2020 election? Did you believe that a preponderance of the GOP caucus would vote to overturn the results? Did you anticipate the insurrection? If not, maybe you don't understand the opposition, and your crystal ball is a bit murky.

[R.P. McM]

I think you would see mass mobilisation of pro-choice Americans and a mass drain of demographic and economic drain from states where there would be default anti-choice legislation.

So, Ohio, West Virginia, Missouri, Iowa are doomed economically?

Certainly not! Those states are doing fantastic now. Every day one of my friends at the bagel shop says, boy, I can't wait til my number comes up and I can move to Huntington, WV or Branson, MO!

Glad to see "socialists" express contempt for economically deprived areas.

It's entirely their fault we're in the current predicament. Yeah, the WWC of WV, MO, etc., valued their racial/religious animus above their economic wellbeing. So please, don't expect me to shed a tear for them. They're getting exactly what they voted for, and exactly what they deserve.

JFC. If you folks want to make a bad-faith argument, I'm about the last person on this forum you should attempt to bamboozle. You voted for a racist sexual predator who cut taxes for the extremely affluent and installed an immensely pro-corporate (illegitimate) SCOTUS majority. So I'm not even listening — you're now on ignore.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I didn't even vote for Trump lol!

[dw93]

I'm nervous about this ruling but I'm also not going to be too quick to say Roe is DOA. If upholding this 15 week ban does in fact overturn Roe, I see Roberts siding with the liberals and getting one of Kavanaugh or Gorsuch (most likely the former ironically) to side with him on it, as I don't think he'd let that happen given how bitterly divided the country is on the issue and given how dangerously polarized we are as a country at the moment. I think if Roberts is gonna kill Roe v Wade, he's gonna do it by a slow death of a thousand cuts rather than in one ruling. I don't think he wants to further erode people's already eroded faith in the court.

[R.P. McM]

I'm nervous about this ruling but I'm also not going to be too quick to say Roe is DOA. If upholding this 15 week ban does in fact overturn Roe, I see Roberts siding with the liberals and getting one of Kavanaugh or Gorsuch (most likely the former ironically) to side with him on it, as I don't think he'd let that happen given how bitterly divided the country is on the issue and given how dangerously polarized we are as a country at the moment. I think if Roberts is gonna kill Roe v Wade, he's gonna do it by a slow death of a thousand cuts rather than in one ruling. I don't think he wants to further erode people's already eroded faith in the court.

Thanks to RBG's appalling hubris, these decisions are no longer up to John Roberts. Yeah, her legacy will be her personal responsibility for every insane 5-4 rightwing decision moving forward. She was a terrible person (putting yourself above ~300 million others is the very definition of the the concept) and hopefully, the destruction of her reputation is enough to convince Stephen Breyer not to repeat the same mistake.

[dw93]

I'm nervous about this ruling but I'm also not going to be too quick to say Roe is DOA. If upholding this 15 week ban does in fact overturn Roe, I see Roberts siding with the liberals and getting one of Kavanaugh or Gorsuch (most likely the former ironically) to side with him on it, as I don't think he'd let that happen given how bitterly divided the country is on the issue and given how dangerously polarized we are as a country at the moment. I think if Roberts is gonna kill Roe v Wade, he's gonna do it by a slow death of a thousand cuts rather than in one ruling. I don't think he wants to further erode people's already eroded faith in the court.

Thanks to RBG's appalling hubris, these decisions are no longer up to John Roberts. Yeah, her legacy will be her personal responsibility for every insane 5-4 rightwing decision moving forward. She was a terrible person (yeah, putting yourself above ~300 million others is the very definition of the the concept) and hopefully, the destruction of her reputation is enough to convince Stephen Breyer not to repeat the same mistake.

I think the only justices that guaranteed to kill Roe outright are Thomas, Alito, and the Handmaid. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch are a toss up, and even if they were to do it (and by no means do I want Roe overturned), I think it would be done in a way that leaves the legal status of abortion to the states.

[R.P. McM]

I'm nervous about this ruling but I'm also not going to be too quick to say Roe is DOA. If upholding this 15 week ban does in fact overturn Roe, I see Roberts siding with the liberals and getting one of Kavanaugh or Gorsuch (most likely the former ironically) to side with him on it, as I don't think he'd let that happen given how bitterly divided the country is on the issue and given how dangerously polarized we are as a country at the moment. I think if Roberts is gonna kill Roe v Wade, he's gonna do it by a slow death of a thousand cuts rather than in one ruling. I don't think he wants to further erode people's already eroded faith in the court.

Thanks to RBG's appalling hubris, these decisions are no longer up to John Roberts. Yeah, her legacy will be her personal responsibility for every insane 5-4 rightwing decision moving forward. She was a terrible person (yeah, putting yourself above ~300 million others is the very definition of the the concept) and hopefully, the destruction of her reputation is enough to convince Stephen Breyer not to repeat the same mistake.

I think the only justices that guaranteed to kill Roe outright are Thomas, Alito, and the Handmaid. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch are a toss up, and even if they were to do it (and by no means do I want Roe overturned), I think it would be done in a way that leaves the legal status of abortion to the states.

Yeah, that's what the destruction of Roe v Wade means — it's up to the states. Thanks to RBG. Who knows, maybe Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will surprise us. But the broader point is that I trust Roberts to attempt to preserve the legitimacy of the Court (too late), assuming the issue isn't nonwhites voting. Unfortunately, thanks to RBG, he no longer has veto power. Terrible justice, terrible person. All the RBG fans need to buckle up, because she's about to be dragged for the next ~20 years.

[SteveRogers]

There are already four definite votes for fetal personhood.

That’s not how courts work. The Court could overturn Roe and allow states to ban abortion, but they can’t force California to criminalize abortion.

[Beet]

There are already four definite votes for fetal personhood.

That’s not how courts work. The Court could overturn Roe and allow states to ban abortion, but they can’t force California to criminalize abortion.

Yes, they could. And frankly, if the interest in protecting the fetus is so legitimate that it warrants overturning Roe, the court should at least protect the fetus in all states.

[Beet]

I'm nervous about this ruling but I'm also not going to be too quick to say Roe is DOA. If upholding this 15 week ban does in fact overturn Roe, I see Roberts siding with the liberals and getting one of Kavanaugh or Gorsuch (most likely the former ironically) to side with him on it, as I don't think he'd let that happen given how bitterly divided the country is on the issue and given how dangerously polarized we are as a country at the moment. I think if Roberts is gonna kill Roe v Wade, he's gonna do it by a slow death of a thousand cuts rather than in one ruling. I don't think he wants to further erode people's already eroded faith in the court.

Thanks to RBG's appalling hubris, these decisions are no longer up to John Roberts. Yeah, her legacy will be her personal responsibility for every insane 5-4 rightwing decision moving forward. She was a terrible person (yeah, putting yourself above ~300 million others is the very definition of the the concept) and hopefully, the destruction of her reputation is enough to convince Stephen Breyer not to repeat the same mistake.

I think the only justices that guaranteed to kill Roe outright are Thomas, Alito, and the Handmaid. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch are a toss up, and even if they were to do it (and by no means do I want Roe overturned), I think it would be done in a way that leaves the legal status of abortion to the states.

Yeah, that's what the destruction of Roe v Wade means — it's up to the states. Thanks to RBG. Who knows, maybe Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will surprise us. But the broader point is that I trust Roberts to attempt to preserve the legitimacy of the Court (too late), assuming the issue isn't nonwhites voting. Unfortunately, thanks to RBG, he no longer has veto power. Terrible justice, terrible person. All the RBG fans need to buckle up, because she's about to be dragged for the next ~20 years.

And for the next ~20 years, we'll point out that society would rather blame the loss of womens' rights on a woman for dying rather than the three/four misogynistic men who made the decision. RBG's "mistake" would never have been a mistake if the person 56% of women voted for -- Hillary Clinton -- was rightfully elected.

[Kingpoleon]

Well I guess I expected people to realize I wasn't meaning to literally cover all of human history when I said "no one has ever said..."

Obviously, as evidenced by the very article he linked, abortion rates will go down some, just not to 0. I don't think any relevant figures on the pro-choice side (not just talking about message board anonymos) are alleging the rate will stay the same

Most pro choice people I’ve talked to on the subject have assured me that abortion rates will go up.

Banning anything doesn’t reduce use of it to zero. If somebody who was PL has told you that banning abortion would prevent all abortions, they were factually wrong.

[Kingpoleon]

If a building was burning down and you could save either a newborn baby or 1,000 fertilized human embryos in test tubes, which would you save? If it's the baby, congrats-- you're pro-choice. Get over yourself.

This has to be the most moronic take I’ve ever read.

“If a man murdered your dog in front of you, and you were holding a gun, would you shoot him? If so, you’re pro-death penalty for animal abuse. Get over yourself.”

[GALeftist]

I'm nervous about this ruling but I'm also not going to be too quick to say Roe is DOA. If upholding this 15 week ban does in fact overturn Roe, I see Roberts siding with the liberals and getting one of Kavanaugh or Gorsuch (most likely the former ironically) to side with him on it, as I don't think he'd let that happen given how bitterly divided the country is on the issue and given how dangerously polarized we are as a country at the moment. I think if Roberts is gonna kill Roe v Wade, he's gonna do it by a slow death of a thousand cuts rather than in one ruling. I don't think he wants to further erode people's already eroded faith in the court.

Thanks to RBG's appalling hubris, these decisions are no longer up to John Roberts. Yeah, her legacy will be her personal responsibility for every insane 5-4 rightwing decision moving forward. She was a terrible person (yeah, putting yourself above ~300 million others is the very definition of the the concept) and hopefully, the destruction of her reputation is enough to convince Stephen Breyer not to repeat the same mistake.

I think the only justices that guaranteed to kill Roe outright are Thomas, Alito, and the Handmaid. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch are a toss up, and even if they were to do it (and by no means do I want Roe overturned), I think it would be done in a way that leaves the legal status of abortion to the states.

Yeah, that's what the destruction of Roe v Wade means — it's up to the states. Thanks to RBG. Who knows, maybe Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will surprise us. But the broader point is that I trust Roberts to attempt to preserve the legitimacy of the Court (too late), assuming the issue isn't nonwhites voting. Unfortunately, thanks to RBG, he no longer has veto power. Terrible justice, terrible person. All the RBG fans need to buckle up, because she's about to be dragged for the next ~20 years.

And for the next ~20 years, we'll point out that society would rather blame the loss of womens' rights on a woman for dying rather than the three/four misogynistic men who made the decision. RBG's "mistake" would never have been a mistake if the person 56% of women voted for -- Hillary Clinton -- was rightfully elected.

It's not her fault for dying, it's her fault for not retiring when Obama could have put some relatively liberal justice on the bench. Frankly, even if Hillary Clinton had been elected, I would still be mad at her for waiting so long and exposing the United States to unnecessary risk, especially if the Republicans held the Senate somehow. She had an opportunity to retire safely and she should have taken it, that's all there is to it. This doesn't absolve the other ghouls on the court by any means, but it's true nonetheless.

[Alben Barkley]

They aren't going to ban abortion or completely overturn Roe v. Wade.

Most likely scenario is they allow some of the restrictions red states are trying to pass through, but it will have little practical effect because those states have already minimized abortion access through various means anyway. Blue states will still be free to keep things as they are with no significant changes.

That's my prediction, anyway.

[Beet]

I'm nervous about this ruling but I'm also not going to be too quick to say Roe is DOA. If upholding this 15 week ban does in fact overturn Roe, I see Roberts siding with the liberals and getting one of Kavanaugh or Gorsuch (most likely the former ironically) to side with him on it, as I don't think he'd let that happen given how bitterly divided the country is on the issue and given how dangerously polarized we are as a country at the moment. I think if Roberts is gonna kill Roe v Wade, he's gonna do it by a slow death of a thousand cuts rather than in one ruling. I don't think he wants to further erode people's already eroded faith in the court.

Thanks to RBG's appalling hubris, these decisions are no longer up to John Roberts. Yeah, her legacy will be her personal responsibility for every insane 5-4 rightwing decision moving forward. She was a terrible person (yeah, putting yourself above ~300 million others is the very definition of the the concept) and hopefully, the destruction of her reputation is enough to convince Stephen Breyer not to repeat the same mistake.

I think the only justices that guaranteed to kill Roe outright are Thomas, Alito, and the Handmaid. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch are a toss up, and even if they were to do it (and by no means do I want Roe overturned), I think it would be done in a way that leaves the legal status of abortion to the states.

Yeah, that's what the destruction of Roe v Wade means — it's up to the states. Thanks to RBG. Who knows, maybe Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will surprise us. But the broader point is that I trust Roberts to attempt to preserve the legitimacy of the Court (too late), assuming the issue isn't nonwhites voting. Unfortunately, thanks to RBG, he no longer has veto power. Terrible justice, terrible person. All the RBG fans need to buckle up, because she's about to be dragged for the next ~20 years.

And for the next ~20 years, we'll point out that society would rather blame the loss of womens' rights on a woman for dying rather than the three/four misogynistic men who made the decision. RBG's "mistake" would never have been a mistake if the person 56% of women voted for -- Hillary Clinton -- was rightfully elected.

It's not her fault for dying, it's her fault for not retiring when Obama could have put some relatively liberal justice on the bench. Frankly, even if Hillary Clinton had been elected, I would still be mad at her for waiting so long and exposing the United States to unnecessary risk, especially if the Republicans held the Senate somehow. She had an opportunity to retire safely and she should have taken it, that's all there is to it. This doesn't absolve the other ghouls on the court by any means, but it's true nonetheless.

I have no problem with blaming her for not retiring earlier.

I just have a problem with the logic that all the bad decisions of the court are "thanks to RBG" and hammering away at that in an emotional manner. The reality is RBG thought Clinton would win. Wrong? Yes. But so were a lot of people. Unreasonable? No. In my experience, when women are hurt, society tends to blame women for it-- the typical scantily clad rape victim trope is the most common -- but in all contexts. For example, when Bill Clinton cheated on his wife, he got away with it, but Hillary was punished for it, as it was her career that was ultimately derailed by it. The ironic thing is, this is all a manifestation of general misogyny which, had it not been common among liberals to begin with, they would have taken the courts more seriously decades ago which would have saved us this situation anyway.

[John Dule]

If a building was burning down and you could save either a newborn baby or 1,000 fertilized human embryos in test tubes, which would you save? If it's the baby, congrats-- you're pro-choice. Get over yourself.

This has to be the most moronic take I’ve ever read.

“If a man murdered your dog in front of you, and you were holding a gun, would you shoot him? If so, you’re pro-death penalty for animal abuse. Get over yourself.”

Before I explain why your analogy doesn't work, let's hear an actual response to the thought experiment I presented.