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« on: May 17, 2021, 08:56:21 AM »
« edited: May 17, 2021, 12:47:30 PM by ERM64man »

The Mississippi 15 week abortion case will be heard by SCOTUS. Although John Roberts opposes abortion, I would guess he voted to deny cert to avoid the spotlight.

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2021, 08:59:44 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2021, 09:05:09 AM »

I'm fine with constitutional concealed carry and don't even see why that's controversial but overturning Roe would be pretty despicable. Probably gonna happen though.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2021, 09:10:49 AM »

I'm fine with constitutional concealed carry and don't even see why that's controversial but overturning Roe would be pretty despicable. Probably gonna happen though.
There are also probably five votes for fetal personhood if such a case is heard. A hypothetical case on fetal personhood would probably be 5-4 with Roberts dissenting.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2021, 09:10:54 AM »


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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2021, 09:11:42 AM »


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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2021, 09:12:09 AM »

The Mississippi 15 week abortion case will be heard by SCOTUS. Although John Roberts opposes abortion, I would guess he voted to deny cert to avoid the spotlight.



You should desensationalize the title a little bit. We don't know for sure yet how the court will rule, even if it's likely the court will go in one direction. Your title makes it sound like the court has already ruled in such a direction.

Maybe one of these works better:

"Supreme Court to hear Mississippi abortion case challenging Roe v. Wade"
"Supreme Court takes up major abortion case next term that could limit Roe v. Wade"
"Supreme Court To Consider Mississippi痴 Abortion Ban In Move That Could Challenge Roe V. Wade"
"Supreme Court will hear an abortion case that could undo Roe v. Wade"
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2021, 09:12:41 AM »

Only people who voted for Hillary Clinton on 11/8/2016 get to complain if they overturn Roe v. Wade.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2021, 09:18:58 AM »

What the hell was RBG thinking when she didn稚 retire in 2013 or 2014.  Obama should have kept asking her to retire until she gave up.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2021, 09:20:09 AM »

I知 guessing Roberts wanted to wait after the 2022 midterm before hearing a major abortion case.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2021, 09:20:44 AM »

The Mississippi 15 week abortion case will be heard by SCOTUS. Although John Roberts opposes abortion, I would guess he voted to deny cert to avoid the spotlight.



You should desensationalize the title a little bit. We don't know for sure yet how the court will rule, even if it's likely the court will go in one direction. Your title makes it sound like the court has already ruled in such a direction.

Maybe one of these works better:

"Supreme Court to hear Mississippi abortion case challenging Roe v. Wade"
"Supreme Court takes up major abortion case next term that could limit Roe v. Wade"
"Supreme Court To Consider Mississippi痴 Abortion Ban In Move That Could Challenge Roe V. Wade"
"Supreme Court will hear an abortion case that could undo Roe v. Wade"

While it is a bit sensationalist, Stern notes that there's little reason to take the case other than overturning precedent since there have bene no split decisions among the circuit courts regarding the 15-week ban from MS.
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2021, 09:23:35 AM »

I also believe Roberts would want to wait for a circuit split to hear such a case.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2021, 09:27:26 AM »

I'm honestly increasingly beginning to believe this is a good thing. It would drive D turnout up and R turnout down for the midterms.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2021, 09:28:25 AM »

I'm honestly increasingly beginning to believe this is a good thing. It would drive D turnout up and R turnout down for the midterms.

And the women unable to get abortions in the meantime are just collateral damage?
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2021, 09:29:26 AM »

I'm honestly increasingly beginning to believe this is a good thing. It would drive D turnout up and R turnout down for the midterms.
Yes, it is. I seem to think Roberts voted to deny cert in a failed attempt to avoid boosting Democratic turnout.
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2021, 09:30:51 AM »

If Roe v. Wade is overturned, what will happen? Do the states all revert to their original abortion laws?

What does the map look like?
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2021, 09:30:59 AM »

I'm honestly increasingly beginning to believe this is a good thing. It would drive D turnout up and R turnout down for the midterms.

And the women unable to get abortions in the meantime are just collateral damage?

Which will do more long-term damage to the country? A few months of abortion being harder to get, or Republicans winning big in 2022?

Surely after 2010 we should all know the answer by now.

If Roe v. Wade is overturned, what will happen? Do the states all revert to their original abortion laws?

Basically, yes. Some states have "trigger laws" banning abortion that instantly go into effect if it is ever overturned.
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2021, 09:33:04 AM »

I think you would see mass mobilisation of pro-choice Americans and a mass drain of demographic and economic drain from states where there would be default anti-choice legislation.

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2021, 09:33:32 AM »

I'm honestly increasingly beginning to believe this is a good thing. It would drive D turnout up and R turnout down for the midterms.

And the women unable to get abortions in the meantime are just collateral damage?

Which will do more long-term damage to the country? A few months of abortion being harder to get, or Republicans winning big in 2022?

Surely after 2010 we should all know the answer by now.

If Roe v. Wade is overturned, what will happen? Do the states all revert to their original abortion laws?

Basically, yes. Some states have "trigger laws" banning abortion that instantly go into effect if it is ever overturned.
I think the GOP winning big does more long-term damage to the country.
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2021, 09:35:38 AM »

I think you would see mass mobilisation of pro-choice Americans and a mass drain of demographic and economic drain from states where there would be default anti-choice legislation.



So, Ohio, West Virginia, Missouri, Iowa are doomed economically?
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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2021, 09:36:45 AM »

I'm honestly increasingly beginning to believe this is a good thing. It would drive D turnout up and R turnout down for the midterms.

And the women unable to get abortions in the meantime are just collateral damage?

Which will do more long-term damage to the country? A few months of abortion being harder to get, or Republicans winning big in 2022?

Surely after 2010 we should all know the answer by now.

It's going to be a lot longer than 3 months. It's not like a 55-47 senate or whatever can just overrule a Supreme Court decision. It will be years if not decades before abortion has a chance to become legal in every state again,  basically waiting to appoint enough justices to the Supreme Court who are willing to reverse the new precedent and getting the right case in front of them.
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2021, 09:42:14 AM »

I'm honestly increasingly beginning to believe this is a good thing. It would drive D turnout up and R turnout down for the midterms.

And the women unable to get abortions in the meantime are just collateral damage?

Which will do more long-term damage to the country? A few months of abortion being harder to get, or Republicans winning big in 2022?

Surely after 2010 we should all know the answer by now.

It's going to be a lot longer than 3 months. It's not like a 55-47 senate or whatever can just overrule a Supreme Court decision. It will be years if not decades before abortion has a chance to become legal in every state again,  basically waiting to appoint enough justices to the Supreme Court who are willing to reverse the new precedent and getting the right case in front of them.
I think every conservative justice except Roberts also supports fetal personhood.
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2021, 09:43:58 AM »

I think you would see mass mobilisation of pro-choice Americans and a mass drain of demographic and economic drain from states where there would be default anti-choice legislation.



So, Ohio, West Virginia, Missouri, Iowa are doomed economically?

Certainly not! Those states are doing fantastic now. Every day one of my friends at the bagel shop says, boy, I can't wait til my number comes up and I can move to Huntington, WV or Branson, MO!
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2021, 09:49:57 AM »

I think you would see mass mobilisation of pro-choice Americans and a mass drain of demographic and economic drain from states where there would be default anti-choice legislation.



So, Ohio, West Virginia, Missouri, Iowa are doomed economically?

I think states with punitive abortion law will see both economic boycotts and a drain of young people. Women have much more social mobility than they did pre Roe.

'Big Pro-Life' is well connected and powerful but it is not popular. Repealing Roe ends the grift.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2021, 09:50:20 AM »

Well, I guess we're screwed.
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