FL-SEN 2022: Nothing to see here

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's not safe R Civiq just polled this race Rubio +2 and that's not Safe R

[2016]

bagelman,
You are complete bonkers. Rubio always said that he supports Excemptions for Abortions while Extremist Val Demings supports Abortions until just before birth.
Floridas Abortion Ban is in line with most European Countries like France and Germany.

Demings, like the other Extremist Democrats, is running a single issue Campaign on abortion because she has nothing else to run on. She truly voted 100 % with the Pelosi/Schumer/Biden/Harris Agenda since Biden was inaugurated and voted 100 % with Democrats even before Biden became President..
You can do that if you are running for Orlando Police Chief or in a D+30 PVI Seat but not Statewide in a big State like Florida with a much more diverse Electorate.

Not having a real Primary Opponent like Demings, Beasley and Barnes had and therefore not being properly vetted by the Voters will hurt all 3 Candidates and we are seeing that now with Barnes and Demings.

Finally there are a lot more issues on the ballot in Florida then just abortion and Rubio is leading on all those such as Inflation, Crime, the Border, etc.

I do think Rubio probably would have lost in 2018 so he is a little bit lucky his Seat wasn't up for Reelection back then. But now with a neutral to tilt R Environment + a 287K Registration Edge by Republicans it has become near impossible for someone like Demings to win. Her ceiling is about 45-47 % and that's what she will be getting in November. It's now Rubios Race to lose.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Barnes and Beasley and Ryan are tied or Leading all their races Rubio benefits because he take Latino votes away from Ds not Blk votes that otherwise go D that's why if Gwen Graham runs she will beat Rick Scott

[Unelectable Bystander]

https://twitter.com/orlandosentinel/status/1570083454448181248

In one of the poll threads I made the argument that Rubio would not lose any support for this and I’m going to acknowledge that this was correct given that he has actually increased his polling average lead by half a point since that time.

This to me says a few things:

-Democrats are way overestimating the effect of this issue on people like Rubio who sponsor the 15 week law or say they are personally against it in all cases

-Most on here, including Trump republicans, have an unrealistic view of Rubio’s skills and underestimate him. Sure there are pro-republican demographic trends in Florida, but being up by 5 in the Florida polling average is an incredible performance. This was considered a 50-50 state until last year and generally nobody wins a blowout.

I also don’t think the comparisons to DeSantis are fair. That is a state-level race and he has his own unique characteristics. Take any other GOP candidate and put them in a Florida senate race. They are more likely to have a razor thin race than to win by DeSantis margins.

[2016]

Two fantastic Ads by Rubio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRV8Ki_wcFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ifMJLZFaw

Marco just loves kiddos

And generally speaking Rubio has one of the hottest Wifes in the entire Congress

[Brittain33]

New thread title for the last few weeks? Rubio running for re-election isn’t that newsworthy

[2016]

Very big Deal: COOK moves FL SEN from Lean R to Likely R.

[Hope For A New Era]

Debate tonight. How's it looking?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

5 pts isn't likely R Rubio was leading 46/41 not by 11 in the last poll

It's a 303 map anyways what was it in 2012 RH and DS and PVI 51/47 D and 65/60M but Ryan, Barnes, FRANKEN and McMULLIN are tied or keading

[GeorgiaModerate]

Very big Deal: COOK moves FL SEN from Lean R to Likely R.

I always thought Lean was a bit of a stretch here.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Very big Deal: COOK moves FL SEN from Lean R to Likely R.

I always thought Lean was a bit of a stretch here.

Ah yes the fabulous Cook ratings that wrongly had AK Tilt R the maps are blank on Eday AK proves that we can win red states

2016 points to ratings but he believes and other Rs believe that Rs can Buck the blue wall and overcome ratings like MT Treasure has AZ and NV Lean R its his choice but maps are blank on Eday I don't go by rankings and didn't the rankings have Ds net gained H seats in 2020, we lost seats that's for your rankings

It's a 303 map anyways because the PVI is going by 2012 51/47 and that was a 303 map and every Pollsters except NY Times like Morning Consult has it 51/47 but we can get any wave insurance map, we never get the same map every Eday

[2016]

Very big Deal: COOK moves FL SEN from Lean R to Likely R.

I always thought Lean was a bit of a stretch here.

Rubio ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED Val Demings tonight. He said he is not ashamned calling them crazy, socialist, etc. He drew a lot of laughter, applause and was very funny too. Demings looked heresy, raspy IMO.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Rs are losing all the 303 states and FL is a red state they are supposed to win it especially when Rubio takes away Latino vote that otherwise go D

But it's votes that count what happened to the Cook rating in AK R, it didn't even matter maps are blank on Edays

[7,052,770]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

I actually watched a clip of that particular exchange. Demings, whether you agree with her or not, is clearly passionate and genuine about her beliefs.

[2016]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

I actually watched a clip of that particular exchange. Demings, whether you agree with her or not, is clearly passionate and genuine about her beliefs.

Demings is a RADICAL. The 15-Week Abortion Ban is "normal" in many of Countries of the world except of course in the United States. Germany, France, you name it have all Abortion Restrictions.

Demings came over as too angry.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

I actually watched a clip of that particular exchange. Demings, whether you agree with her or not, is clearly passionate and genuine about her beliefs.

Demings is a RADICAL. The 15-Week Abortion Ban is "normal" in many of Countries of the world except of course in the United States. Germany, France, you name it have all Abortion Restrictions.

Demings came over as too angry.

Again, I don't agree with Demings on these issues. I was saying that she's passionate about what she believes.

[7,052,770]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

I actually watched a clip of that particular exchange. Demings, whether you agree with her or not, is clearly passionate and genuine about her beliefs.

Demings is a RADICAL. The 15-Week Abortion Ban is "normal" in many of Countries of the world except of course in the United States. Germany, France, you name it have all Abortion Restrictions.

Demings came over as too angry.

I think you're being disingenuous when you compare the Republican "15 week ban" plan to what's in place in Germany and France. The two situations are not comparable.

[South Dakota Democrat]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

I actually watched a clip of that particular exchange. Demings, whether you agree with her or not, is clearly passionate and genuine about her beliefs.

Demings is a RADICAL. The 15-Week Abortion Ban is "normal" in many of Countries of the world except of course in the United States. Germany, France, you name it have all Abortion Restrictions.

Demings came over as too angry.

Ah, here comes the angry black woman trope.

[Not Me, Us]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

I actually watched a clip of that particular exchange. Demings, whether you agree with her or not, is clearly passionate and genuine about her beliefs.

Demings is a RADICAL. The 15-Week Abortion Ban is "normal" in many of Countries of the world except of course in the United States. Germany, France, you name it have all Abortion Restrictions.

Demings came over as too angry.

This talking point is so strange to me. Just because other countries insist on restricting women's right to choose doesn't mean America should. If you're anti-choice on bullsh*it religious grounds, just say so, don't hide behind the restrictive nonsense of other countries.

[2016]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

I actually watched a clip of that particular exchange. Demings, whether you agree with her or not, is clearly passionate and genuine about her beliefs.

Demings is a RADICAL. The 15-Week Abortion Ban is "normal" in many of Countries of the world except of course in the United States. Germany, France, you name it have all Abortion Restrictions.

Demings came over as too angry.

This talking point is so strange to me. Just because other countries insist on restricting women's right to choose doesn't mean America should. If you're anti-choice on bullsh*it religious grounds, just say so, don't hide behind the restrictive nonsense of other countries.

You don't understand. Demings supports no Restrictions at all. She wants Abortion right up until birth. That is unfortunately the view the vast Majority of the Democratic Party holds now. That is radical and dangerous killing innocent babies.

[7,052,770]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

I actually watched a clip of that particular exchange. Demings, whether you agree with her or not, is clearly passionate and genuine about her beliefs.

Demings is a RADICAL. The 15-Week Abortion Ban is "normal" in many of Countries of the world except of course in the United States. Germany, France, you name it have all Abortion Restrictions.

Demings came over as too angry.

This talking point is so strange to me. Just because other countries insist on restricting women's right to choose doesn't mean America should. If you're anti-choice on bullsh*it religious grounds, just say so, don't hide behind the restrictive nonsense of other countries.

You don't understand. Demings supports no Restrictions at all. She wants Abortion right up until birth. That is unfortunately the view the vast Majority of the Democratic Party holds now. That is radical and dangerous killing innocent babies.

That's an outright lie. She explicitly reiterated her support for abortion UNTIL VIABILITY in the debate. There are no prominent political figures who support "elective abortion" past that point, only for tragic situations like severe maternal or fetal health issues.

[SCNCmod]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1582521103477788672

I actually watched a clip of that particular exchange. Demings, whether you agree with her or not, is clearly passionate and genuine about her beliefs.

Demings is a RADICAL. The 15-Week Abortion Ban is "normal" in many of Countries of the world except of course in the United States. Germany, France, you name it have all Abortion Restrictions.

Demings came over as too angry.

This talking point is so strange to me. Just because other countries insist on restricting women's right to choose doesn't mean America should. If you're anti-choice on bullsh*it religious grounds, just say so, don't hide behind the restrictive nonsense of other countries.

You don't understand. Demings supports no Restrictions at all. She wants Abortion right up until birth. That is unfortunately the view the vast Majority of the Democratic Party holds now. That is radical and dangerous killing innocent babies.

Either some people do not really understand the details of the abortion debate (maybe many people on forums) or people are being purposely dishonest (as was the case tonight with Rubio regarding Demmings stance... or as was the case with Budd doing the same thing in NC regarding Beasley's stance... or as was the case in Ohio with Vance doing the same thing regading Ryan's stance).


To be clear:

No... Demings does  Not  support "no restrictions" etc etc.  As she said again tonight... She supports abortion up to viability... which is basically Roe v Wade standard/underpinning.

Let's have a little bit of Intellectual honesty in these discussions....
Dems & Republicans vote against bills- All of the Time- for various reasons, even if they agree with much of that bill. Voting against a bill is not voting for the opposite of that bill...

for instance.. voting against some bill that a  Republican brings up, that includes language about bans on various periods of late term abortions)... in no way means the Dem supports late term abortions.  Otherwise if you assume every vote against a bill, means you think the opposite of the bill- then you could basically say that every Dem & Rep is in favor of Murder and Genocide.

But again, Demings stated again tonight... that she supports what is basically the roe v wade standard.... Legal up to viability- with exceptions after in cases of the health/ life of the mother.  (this is not "supporting late term abortion"  ... its not "supporting partial birth abortion" ... and its not "supporting abortion with no restrictions")

[2016]

It's not just Abortion. She holds basically the same view as Beto O'Rourke when it comes to gun rights. She wants to ban the 2nd Amendment, would support a national assault weapons ban. Bottom Line: She wants to take our guns away. She wants amnesty for everyone that came into this Country illegally. She proudly supported Obamas Executive Order on Immigration after the 2014 Midterms.
She voted for the 1.9 Trillion Rescue Package which is unfortunately the big reason everyone is suffering from record high Bidenflation. She voted 100 % with Biden since he took Office. Really, Democrats have no Record to run on.
Like they always do when Democrats backed into a corner and have no Accomplishments they turn to personal attacks.

[Calthrina950]

I will say that this attack by Demings against Rubio, over the gun violence issue, stood out to me:

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1582519070867722240

This and the abortion clip are the moments that led for me to say that Demings is very passionate about the issues that she believes in. I will also say that this particular moment reminded of when Cameron Kasky savaged Rubio at that CNN townhall back in 2018, in the aftermath of the Parkland shooting. That particular townhall was a disaster for Rubio, who was absolutely savaged by the Parkland students, parents, and teachers (along with Dana Loesch). Of course, they were also very friendly and receptive to Bill Nelson, Ted Deutch, and now disgraced ex Broward County Sheriff Steve Israel, with whom they aligned. Rubio did much better against Demings than he did against Kasky and the others at the townhall, but that wasn't difficult to do.