NY: Convicted Felon Donald Trump!

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

(This related to the civil fraud case the State of New York has brought against Donald Trump, stemming from the crimes of the criminal Trump Organization he leads. We don't appear to have a desperate thread for that.)

New York AG’s office alleges Trump inflated his net worth by as much as $2.2 billion in 1 year

Donald Trump inflated his net worth by as much as $2.2 billion in one year, lawyers for the New York attorney general’s office alleged as part of their civil fraud lawsuit against the former president, his adult sons and the Trump Organization.

Over a 10-year period, the attorney general’s office said that when it corrects the Trump financial statements for alleged misvaluations it “reduces Mr. Trump’s net worth by between 17-39% in each year, or between $812 million to $2.2 billion, depending on the year.” The $2.2 billion disparity came in 2014, the state said.

The new allegations were made in a partial summary judgment motion made public Wednesday by New York Attorney General Letitia James, a Democrat.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Trump's civil fraud trial in New York state court (as distinct from his criminal records falsification trial in New York state court, or his federal civil fraud trial in the Southern District of New York, or his damages trial for libel in New York state court) starts October 2nd, 2023. It will be a bench trial and is expected to take 3 months:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/donald-trumps-new-york-fraud-trial-will-last-nearly-3-months-judge-rcna104100

"The trial is scheduled to begin on October 2, 2023 and to end by December 22, 2023," Judge Arthur Engoron wrote in an order laying out scheduling and administrative plans for the case, which alleges that Trump, his children Don Jr. and Eric Trump, and the Trump Organization had for years been inflating their worth to the tune of billions of dollars in financial statements to banks and insurers.

The Manhattan trial will be a bench trial, meaning there's no jury and the case will be decided by the judge. Engoron said he'll hear the case five days a week.

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Manhattan Judge May Be Open to Moving Trump Trial Date as Cases Mount
The judge, Juan M. Merchan, said in a letter that while he was not yet ready to discuss potential changes to the March 25, 2024, trial date, he would be willing to have the conversation in February.

The judge presiding over the criminal case against Donald J. Trump in Manhattan signaled that he could be open to changing the date of the trial — now set for March 2024 — in light of the handful of other potential trials the former president now faces.

But in a letter sent to Mr. Trump’s lawyers, the judge, Juan M. Merchan, said he would wait until February to have that discussion, given Mr. Trump’s “rapidly evolving trial schedule.”

In March, the Manhattan district attorney’s office brought charges against Mr. Trump stemming from a hush-money payment to a porn star. The trial was soon scheduled for next March. But in the months that followed, Mr. Trump was indicted three more times. The cases, taken together, have created a legal logjam that coincides with the former president’s third run for the White House.

In his letter to one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, Todd Blanche, Justice Merchan wrote that he did not believe it would be fruitful to discuss a potential change this month, “in light of the many recent developments involving Mr. Trump.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/11/nyregion/donald-trump-manhattan-trial-date.html

[Senator Incitatus]

Trump only ask Pence to overturn the election in an "aspirational way"

[tweet]

I guess a bank robber can ask for all the money in an "aspirational way" as well maybe?

If you're asking if it's illegal to go into a bank and say "Can I have all of the money in your vault?," the the answer is no.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Trump only ask Pence to overturn the election in an "aspirational way"

[tweet]

I guess a bank robber can ask for all the money in an "aspirational way" as well maybe?

If you're asking if it's illegal to go into a bank and say "Can I have all of the money in your vault?," the the answer is no.

But if you ask it while pointing a gun at the bank's employees...

[Senator Incitatus]

Trump only ask Pence to overturn the election in an "aspirational way"

[tweet]

I guess a bank robber can ask for all the money in an "aspirational way" as well maybe?

If you're asking if it's illegal to go into a bank and say "Can I have all of the money in your vault?," the the answer is no.

But if you ask it while pointing a gun at the bank's employees...

And therein lies the question.

[Ferguson97]

Trump only ask Pence to overturn the election in an "aspirational way"

[tweet]

I guess a bank robber can ask for all the money in an "aspirational way" as well maybe?

If you're asking if it's illegal to go into a bank and say "Can I have all of the money in your vault?," the the answer is no.

Do you think that real life is like a mafia movie and "Nice store here... be a shame if something happened to it" doesn't constitute a threat because the gangsters said it in a certain way?

[HisGrace]

Trump only ask Pence to overturn the election in an "aspirational way"

[tweet]

I guess a bank robber can ask for all the money in an "aspirational way" as well maybe?

If you're asking if it's illegal to go into a bank and say "Can I have all of the money in your vault?," the the answer is no.

I think the difference there is the bank giving someone money of their own accord is not a crime, Pence overturning the election is. Asking people to commit crimes on your behalf is generally a crime in and of itself as well.

[Gass3268]

Lol

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1717264874017857868?s=46

[emailking]

Did you mean to post that in the civil trial thread?

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=565157.0

[emailking]

Interesting tidbit from the Atlantic article.

WHAT THE 2024 ELECTION IS REALLY ABOUT FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS
He promised them: “I am your retribution.”

...

The trial date for the hush‐money case was later set during a hearing with Judge Merchan where Trump appeared via video from a room in Mar‐a‐Lago. For most of the appearance, Trump silently listened, his microphone on mute. But when the judge announced the court date—March 25, 2024—he reacted angrily, waving his hands and shaking his head. No one in the courtroom could hear him, but he appeared to be yelling at the lawyer sitting next to him in Mar-a-Lago, Todd Blanche. According to a source there with Trump, the former president erupted at Blanche because the March 2024 trial would be during a crucial point in the presidential campaign.

“That’s in the middle of the primaries!” Trump yelled. “If I lose the presidency, you are going to be the reason!”

Trump’s tantrum, according to the source, continued for nearly 30 minutes after the court appearance ended and the camera was turned off—a withering attack on perhaps the most highly regarded lawyer on Trump’s troubled legal team.

“You little [******]!” Trump yelled at Blanche. “You are going to cost me the presidency!”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/what-2024-election-really-about-trump-supporters/675869/

I censored an f bomb, you can see it in the article.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Interesting tidbit from the Atlantic article.

WHAT THE 2024 ELECTION IS REALLY ABOUT FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS
He promised them: “I am your retribution.”

...

The trial date for the hush‐money case was later set during a hearing with Judge Merchan where Trump appeared via video from a room in Mar‐a‐Lago. For most of the appearance, Trump silently listened, his microphone on mute. But when the judge announced the court date—March 25, 2024—he reacted angrily, waving his hands and shaking his head. No one in the courtroom could hear him, but he appeared to be yelling at the lawyer sitting next to him in Mar-a-Lago, Todd Blanche. According to a source there with Trump, the former president erupted at Blanche because the March 2024 trial would be during a crucial point in the presidential campaign.

“That’s in the middle of the primaries!” Trump yelled. “If I lose the presidency, you are going to be the reason!”

Trump’s tantrum, according to the source, continued for nearly 30 minutes after the court appearance ended and the camera was turned off—a withering attack on perhaps the most highly regarded lawyer on Trump’s troubled legal team.

“You little [******]!” Trump yelled at Blanche. “You are going to cost me the presidency!”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/what-2024-election-really-about-trump-supporters/675869/

I censored an f bomb, you can see it in the article.

Given the Jan 6th trial will be happening in March , why is this also being held in March

[emailking]

It was set long before that. She asked him if it was ok to schedule it in March and he said yes. He's said he'll reschedule this in February if another trial will conflict. Anyway, I was mainly trying to point out Trump's ridiculous tantrum lol.

[emailking]

Manhattan’s District Attorney Is Quietly Preparing for a Trump Trial
As prosecutors navigate calendars and appeals, Alvin L. Bragg may take the former president’s first criminal case to trial. He has said that covering up a hush-money payment was a fraud on voters.

Federal prosecutors have accused Donald J. Trump of plotting to subvert American democracy and mishandling nuclear secrets. But with those cases in limbo, state prosecutors in Manhattan are gearing up as though they will be the first to try the former president on criminal charges — for covering up a potential sex scandal.

The Manhattan district attorney’s office has begun to approach witnesses to prepare them for trial, including Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former fixer, according to people with knowledge of the matter. He and at least two others involved in buying a porn star’s silence about her story of a tryst with Mr. Trump are expected to meet with prosecutors in the coming weeks.

With the potential trial drawing near, the district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, has also added one of his most experienced trial lawyers to the team assigned to prosecute Mr. Trump.

And in recent public appearances, Mr. Bragg has presented the loftiest possible conception of the case, casting it as a clear-cut instance of election interference, in which a candidate defrauded the American people to win the White House in 2016.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/nyregion/trump-hush-money-trial-stormy-daniels.html

[emailking]

Ex-Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg in perjury plea talks, sources say

Former Trump Org. Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg is in plea talks with the Manhattan district attorney’s office to resolve a potential perjury charge, sources familiar with the matter confirmed to ABC News.

If the negotiations succeed, Weisselberg would plead guilty to lying on the witness stand when he testified in October at the civil fraud trial that names him, his former boss — former President Donald Trump — and others as defendants, the sources said.

The plea negotiations, which the sources described as being in the early stages, were first reported by The New York Times. A spokesperson for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg declined to comment. An attorney for Weisselberg did not respond to a request for comment.

https://kvnutalk.com/ex-trump-organization-cfo-allen-weisselberg-in-perjury-plea-talks-sources-say/

^ Likely part of a cooperation agreement for this case if true.

[Fight for Trump]

The money man knows where all the bodies are buried.

[emailking]

Judge says the trial is moving ahead on March 25 with jury selection!

Something could still come up and push it back, but at least now we know it's not being held up by his other trials.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Judge says the trial is moving ahead on March 25 with jury selection!

Something could still come up and push it back, but at least now we know it's not being held up by his other trials.

I may be wrong, but my recollection is that Judge Merchan is the one who, last year, caught Trump & his attorneys deliberately scheduling multiple court appearances in different states for the same date.

It's nice to see Donald's delay tactics failing, hopefully this will be part of a trend, and more judges will declined to help Donald avoid facing justice for his crimes.
 
Editing to add:
We're also getting a preview (apparently at the judge's displeasure) of what will doubtless become a common refrain over the next eight months: "Donald Trump is running for office, it's not fair to hold him to account now for the crimes he committed when he was previously running for office".

Lock him up!

[Pres Mike]

Ugh, of Trump's 4 criminal trials this one is by far the weakest both in actual court and in the court of public opinion

[wbrocks67]

Ugh, of Trump's 4 criminal trials this one is by far the weakest both in actual court and in the court of public opinion

Then I'd rather it go first then. The closer we get to the election, the more stronger the cases imo.

[emailking]

Trump will face his first criminal trial on March 25 in New York

A judge ruled former President Trump will face his first criminal trial on March 25 in New York.

This comes after Judge Juan Merchan denied Trump’s motion to dismiss the charges against him in the criminal hush money case Thursday.

The decision comes as other criminal charges against Trump in other states have yet to be scheduled, as they are going through pre-trial motions and being challenged in court.

The trial will come in the middle of the ramp up to the general election.

https://www.cnn.com/webview/politics/live-news/trump-hearings-ny-georgia

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/Jose_Pagliery/status/1758161786459640153

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://thepostmillennial.com/its-not-a-crime-trump-speaks-out-against-alvin-braggs-falsified-docs-case-in-new-york

Speaking outside the New York City courtroom after the conclusion of a hearing in the alleged falsified business records case brought forth by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, Trump addressed reporters, saying legal experts have said the actions alleged in the case are "not a crime."

The judge just ruled, in court, that it was in fact, a crime.

He also false claimed,

"This is all from the DOJ, this all comes out of Washington. They coordinated with the district attorney and the AG."

This is a trial in the state of New York, for violating the laws of New York. And, as always, it is projection: Former federal prosecutor says Barr fired him because investigations threatened Trump’s reelection chances



Anyone want to bet whether the MSM will call out Donald's blatant lies and projection while covering this?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Stickied as the trial is in a little over a month

[emailking]

The judge pushed back today on the notion that this case is a joke. He said he thinks that they are very serious charges. (The federal judge said the same thing when Trump tried to get this transferred to federal court.) So if you think the case is not a big deal, well, the person who's going to be sentencing Trump if convicted thinks it is.