SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

Another SCOTUS protest update-

https://twitter.com/cami_mondeaux/status/1521322611334172672

Any chance of a riot tonight?

[fhtagn]

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

You don't actually believe this, you're just parroting what you've seen some pro-choice women say to pro-life men as an attempt to "own" him.

You don't get to say what I do or do not believe in. Nor do you know me well enough to have a valid argument here.

Okay, theocrat.

at least I have morals

[DrScholl]

This is a leak of a document written in February, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But If this is the real opinion they'll be releasing in a few weeks, Praise the LORD. This is not only the legally correct (When you take all the politics out of it, there is no right to abortion in the constitution. It simply isn't there. We invented it in 1973, and have only kept it around this long for public opinion concerns, which is not a legally appropriate basis for Court Decisions.) but also incredibly life-saving Decision. It's also a balanced decision that doesn't threaten Griswold or try to define personhood. It simply leaves abortion to the states. Maryland can allow abortion in the 9th Month, as their laws currently do. Texas can ban it completely if they choose. For the first time in nearly fifty years, people will not be told by a court what to do about abortion, but instead to determine the appropriate destiny for each society through our democracy. And they will remain able to prevent implantation via contraception.

I don't much care who this helps electorally. What I do find praise in is the strengthening of our democracy and the saving of lives that this decision would bring.

Also, if it's all true - Gorsuch, I was wrong about you. I still don't really get why you gave this answer, but glad to see you are actually pro-life. https://youtu.be/Z08EdjHJgoI

Why do you hate women so much?

Nothing about that post suggests he hates women.

Apart from the fact he's salivating over a woman's right to bodily autonomy being revoked.

For the vast majority of cases, women can exercise their right to bodily autonomy by choosing not to engage in acts they know can result in pregnancy.

And with that, you confirm you hate women too.

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

Not when your opinion is in favor of restricting other women's rights. And newsflash, there are women who hate other women. Being a woman doesn't mean you cannot be capable of hating women. Not saying that you do hate women, but you being a woman doesn't make your opinion right.

My opinion isn't in favor of restricting anyone's rights, because abortion isn't a right.

So you're saying that people don't have a right over their own bodies? Interesting logic. Just remember that there was a time that freedom wasn't a right if you were Black.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

So wait, abortion will be completely illegal in those 13 states with laws banning abortion, even abortions in the first trimester?

It's entirely up to each state. You would need to refer to the state law for any allowance or exception.

This is a leak of a document written in February, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But If this is the real opinion they'll be releasing in a few weeks, Praise the LORD. This is not only the legally correct (When you take all the politics out of it, there is no right to abortion in the constitution. It simply isn't there. We invented it in 1973, and have only kept it around this long for public opinion concerns, which is not a legally appropriate basis for Court Decisions.) but also incredibly life-saving Decision. It's also a balanced decision that doesn't threaten Griswold or try to define personhood. It simply leaves abortion to the states. Maryland can allow abortion in the 9th Month, as their laws currently do. Texas can ban it completely if they choose. For the first time in nearly fifty years, people will not be told by a court what to do about abortion, but instead to determine the appropriate destiny for each society through our democracy. And they will remain able to prevent implantation via contraception.

I don't much care who this helps electorally. What I do find praise in is the strengthening of our democracy and the saving of lives that this decision would bring.

Also, if it's all true - Gorsuch, I was wrong about you. I still don't really get why you gave this answer, but glad to see you are actually pro-life. https://youtu.be/Z08EdjHJgoI

Why do you hate women so much?

I don't. I enthusiastically support robust government provided health care for Children, all sorts of entitlement programs for children and mothers, robust adoption programs, and contraception. I also support abortion allowance in certain cases, like rape, incest, life of the mother, fetal abnormalities - I would even be willing to sign a 15 week ban and set in firm stone, never be able to be changed. Heck, in Atlasia [Lincoln] I authored a 20 week ban, voted into law by the people, and I have no plans to change that should I serve in office again.

I simply reject the notion that it is up to a court to decide all of this. It should be decided by the people through their representatives. I further reject the notion that I have to embrace unfettered or effectively unfettered abortion to support Women. I think we should be a society where Women don't need to destroy life to succeed, but where we still enthusiastically assist Women and their babies with having successful lives.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

You don't actually believe this, you're just parroting what you've seen some pro-choice women say to pro-life men as an attempt to "own" him.

You don't get to say what I do or do not believe in. Nor do you know me well enough to have a valid argument here.

Okay, theocrat.

Why do you even care about this? You're the one who unironically claimed that all human life would be ended by nuclear war by the end of the year anyway. Based on that no court decisions matter at all.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

https://twitter.com/njhochman/status/1521309945970532352?s=20&t=uhiHTpxdSbSI...

Average talk elections discourse.

Why am I not surprised the person yelling "You lost baby killer!" is a balding white guy?

[7,052,770]

These people gathering at the SC building better not do anything stupid that will make the movement look terrible. Our side won't get the deference and forgiveness that the pro-1/6 party did.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

You don't actually believe this, you're just parroting what you've seen some pro-choice women say to pro-life men as an attempt to "own" him.

You don't get to say what I do or do not believe in. Nor do you know me well enough to have a valid argument here.

Okay, theocrat.

Can you do anything except make personal attacks in violation of the TOS. You can be upset but attacking posters is a TOS violation and you keep doing that.

[DrScholl]

So wait, abortion will be completely illegal in those 13 states with laws banning abortion, even abortions in the first trimester?

It's entirely up to each state. You would need to refer to the state law for any allowance or exception.

This is a leak of a document written in February, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But If this is the real opinion they'll be releasing in a few weeks, Praise the LORD. This is not only the legally correct (When you take all the politics out of it, there is no right to abortion in the constitution. It simply isn't there. We invented it in 1973, and have only kept it around this long for public opinion concerns, which is not a legally appropriate basis for Court Decisions.) but also incredibly life-saving Decision. It's also a balanced decision that doesn't threaten Griswold or try to define personhood. It simply leaves abortion to the states. Maryland can allow abortion in the 9th Month, as their laws currently do. Texas can ban it completely if they choose. For the first time in nearly fifty years, people will not be told by a court what to do about abortion, but instead to determine the appropriate destiny for each society through our democracy. And they will remain able to prevent implantation via contraception.

I don't much care who this helps electorally. What I do find praise in is the strengthening of our democracy and the saving of lives that this decision would bring.

Also, if it's all true - Gorsuch, I was wrong about you. I still don't really get why you gave this answer, but glad to see you are actually pro-life. https://youtu.be/Z08EdjHJgoI

Why do you hate women so much?

I don't. I enthusiastically support robust government provided health care for Children, all sorts of entitlement programs for children and mothers, robust adoption programs, and contraception. I also support abortion allowance in certain cases, like rape, incest, life of the mother, fetal abnormalities - I would even be willing to sign a 15 week ban and set in firm stone, never be able to be changed. Heck, in Atlasia [Lincoln] I authored a 20 week ban, voted into law by the people, and I have no plans to change that should I serve in office again.

I simply reject the notion that it is up to a court to decide all of this. It should be decided by the people through their representatives. I further reject the notion that I have to embrace unfettered or effectively unfettered abortion to support Women. I think we should be a society where Women don't need to destroy life to succeed, but where we still enthusiastically assist Women and their babies with having successful lives.

That's not real life. Let's not blur the line between fiction and real life now.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

wolf rick coming in here to talk about his Atlasia accomplishments is the sign we all needed to know nothing productive will happen in this thread from here on out

I was gonna say I certainly wasn't expecting Atlasia to appear in the discussion here.  

[nerd73]

wolf rick coming in here to talk about his Atlasia accomplishments is the sign we all needed to know nothing productive will happen in this thread from here on out

[fhtagn]

This is a leak of a document written in February, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But If this is the real opinion they'll be releasing in a few weeks, Praise the LORD. This is not only the legally correct (When you take all the politics out of it, there is no right to abortion in the constitution. It simply isn't there. We invented it in 1973, and have only kept it around this long for public opinion concerns, which is not a legally appropriate basis for Court Decisions.) but also incredibly life-saving Decision. It's also a balanced decision that doesn't threaten Griswold or try to define personhood. It simply leaves abortion to the states. Maryland can allow abortion in the 9th Month, as their laws currently do. Texas can ban it completely if they choose. For the first time in nearly fifty years, people will not be told by a court what to do about abortion, but instead to determine the appropriate destiny for each society through our democracy. And they will remain able to prevent implantation via contraception.

I don't much care who this helps electorally. What I do find praise in is the strengthening of our democracy and the saving of lives that this decision would bring.

Also, if it's all true - Gorsuch, I was wrong about you. I still don't really get why you gave this answer, but glad to see you are actually pro-life. https://youtu.be/Z08EdjHJgoI

Why do you hate women so much?

Nothing about that post suggests he hates women.

Apart from the fact he's salivating over a woman's right to bodily autonomy being revoked.

For the vast majority of cases, women can exercise their right to bodily autonomy by choosing not to engage in acts they know can result in pregnancy.

And with that, you confirm you hate women too.

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

Not when your opinion is in favor of restricting other women's rights. And newsflash, there are women who hate other women. Being a woman doesn't mean you cannot be capable of hating women. Not saying that you do hate women, but you being a woman doesn't make your opinion right.

My opinion isn't in favor of restricting anyone's rights, because abortion isn't a right.

So you're saying that people don't have a right over their own bodies? Interesting logic. Just remember that there was a time that freedom wasn't a right if you were Black.

As I previously said:

For the vast majority of cases, women can exercise their right to bodily autonomy by choosing not to engage in acts they know can result in pregnancy.

Abortion affects a body that isn't a woman's right to harm.

[GoTfan]

So wait, abortion will be completely illegal in those 13 states with laws banning abortion, even abortions in the first trimester?

It's entirely up to each state. You would need to refer to the state law for any allowance or exception.

This is a leak of a document written in February, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But If this is the real opinion they'll be releasing in a few weeks, Praise the LORD. This is not only the legally correct (When you take all the politics out of it, there is no right to abortion in the constitution. It simply isn't there. We invented it in 1973, and have only kept it around this long for public opinion concerns, which is not a legally appropriate basis for Court Decisions.) but also incredibly life-saving Decision. It's also a balanced decision that doesn't threaten Griswold or try to define personhood. It simply leaves abortion to the states. Maryland can allow abortion in the 9th Month, as their laws currently do. Texas can ban it completely if they choose. For the first time in nearly fifty years, people will not be told by a court what to do about abortion, but instead to determine the appropriate destiny for each society through our democracy. And they will remain able to prevent implantation via contraception.

I don't much care who this helps electorally. What I do find praise in is the strengthening of our democracy and the saving of lives that this decision would bring.

Also, if it's all true - Gorsuch, I was wrong about you. I still don't really get why you gave this answer, but glad to see you are actually pro-life. https://youtu.be/Z08EdjHJgoI

Why do you hate women so much?

I don't. I enthusiastically support robust government provided health care for Children, all sorts of entitlement programs for children and mothers, robust adoption programs, and contraception. I also support abortion allowance in certain cases, like rape, incest, life of the mother, fetal abnormalities - I would even be willing to sign a 15 week ban and set in firm stone, never be able to be changed. Heck, in Atlasia [Lincoln] I authored a 20 week ban, voted into law by the people, and I have no plans to change that should I serve in office again.

I simply reject the notion that it is up to a court to decide all of this. It should be decided by the people through their representatives. I further reject the notion that I have to embrace unfettered or effectively unfettered abortion to support Women. I think we should be a society where Women don't need to destroy life to succeed, but where we still enthusiastically assist Women and their babies with having successful lives.

Atlasia is not a real country so using it as an example is stupid.

You support a woman's autonomy being stripped away, which lines you up with theocrats.

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

You don't actually believe this, you're just parroting what you've seen some pro-choice women say to pro-life men as an attempt to "own" him.

You don't get to say what I do or do not believe in. Nor do you know me well enough to have a valid argument here.

Okay, theocrat.

Can you do anything except make personal attacks in violation of the TOS. You can be upset but attacking posters is a TOS violation and you keep doing that.

Doesn't make me wrong.

[Vespucci]

wolf rick coming in here to talk about his Atlasia accomplishments is the sign we all needed to know nothing productive will happen in this thread from here on out

nothing productive has occured in a USGD thread in this history of atlas

[Roronoa D. Law]

Ok, but once it's inevitably overturned again can we please be done with it. I swear the people pushing this stuff got more birth control in their house than CVS or haven't touched a woman since birth 😒

[Not Me, Us]

This is a leak of a document written in February, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But If this is the real opinion they'll be releasing in a few weeks, Praise the LORD. This is not only the legally correct (When you take all the politics out of it, there is no right to abortion in the constitution. It simply isn't there. We invented it in 1973, and have only kept it around this long for public opinion concerns, which is not a legally appropriate basis for Court Decisions.) but also incredibly life-saving Decision. It's also a balanced decision that doesn't threaten Griswold or try to define personhood. It simply leaves abortion to the states. Maryland can allow abortion in the 9th Month, as their laws currently do. Texas can ban it completely if they choose. For the first time in nearly fifty years, people will not be told by a court what to do about abortion, but instead to determine the appropriate destiny for each society through our democracy. And they will remain able to prevent implantation via contraception.

I don't much care who this helps electorally. What I do find praise in is the strengthening of our democracy and the saving of lives that this decision would bring.

Also, if it's all true - Gorsuch, I was wrong about you. I still don't really get why you gave this answer, but glad to see you are actually pro-life. https://youtu.be/Z08EdjHJgoI

Why do you hate women so much?

Nothing about that post suggests he hates women.

Apart from the fact he's salivating over a woman's right to bodily autonomy being revoked.

For the vast majority of cases, women can exercise their right to bodily autonomy by choosing not to engage in acts they know can result in pregnancy.

And with that, you confirm you hate women too.

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

Not when your opinion is in favor of restricting other women's rights. And newsflash, there are women who hate other women. Being a woman doesn't mean you cannot be capable of hating women. Not saying that you do hate women, but you being a woman doesn't make your opinion right.

My opinion isn't in favor of restricting anyone's rights, because abortion isn't a right.

So you're saying that people don't have a right over their own bodies? Interesting logic. Just remember that there was a time that freedom wasn't a right if you were Black.

As I previously said:

For the vast majority of cases, women can exercise their right to bodily autonomy by choosing not to engage in acts they know can result in pregnancy.

Abortion affects a body that isn't a woman's right to harm.

So rape doesn't exist?

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Hmmmm…..

[GoTfan]

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

You don't actually believe this, you're just parroting what you've seen some pro-choice women say to pro-life men as an attempt to "own" him.

You don't get to say what I do or do not believe in. Nor do you know me well enough to have a valid argument here.

Okay, theocrat.

Why do you even care about this? You're the one who unironically claimed that all human life would be ended by nuclear war by the end of the year anyway. Based on that no court decisions matter at all.

I have friends living in the States that are going to be affected by this.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Worth noting that many states have their own equivalents of Roe v. Wade per State Supreme Court, I know that Minnesota does, as does Kansas of all places. That might be an option for some surprising states, like Kentucky and Oklahoma. Michigan is a no-brainer, its Supreme Court already has a 4D-3R majority but one of the Republicans is basically a RINO so it's really a 5-2 liberal majority, and there's already evidence that Whitmer and Nessel are planning something to it in this regards.

This also might not only save Whitmer in November, but also dash the Republican hopes of flipping the Michigan Supreme Court since two of the Democrats are up for re-election....well now here's the wedge issue.

[KaiserDave]

I know this is very on-brand for me, but thank God I have the most pro-choice Governor in the country.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

You don't actually believe this, you're just parroting what you've seen some pro-choice women say to pro-life men as an attempt to "own" him.

You don't get to say what I do or do not believe in. Nor do you know me well enough to have a valid argument here.

Okay, theocrat.

Why do you even care about this? You're the one who unironically claimed that all human life would be ended by nuclear war by the end of the year anyway. Based on that no court decisions matter at all.

I have friends living in the States that are going to be affected by this.

No one is going to be affected for long once that nuclear war you predicted ends all human life.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

So wait, abortion will be completely illegal in those 13 states with laws banning abortion, even abortions in the first trimester?

It's entirely up to each state. You would need to refer to the state law for any allowance or exception.

This is a leak of a document written in February, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But If this is the real opinion they'll be releasing in a few weeks, Praise the LORD. This is not only the legally correct (When you take all the politics out of it, there is no right to abortion in the constitution. It simply isn't there. We invented it in 1973, and have only kept it around this long for public opinion concerns, which is not a legally appropriate basis for Court Decisions.) but also incredibly life-saving Decision. It's also a balanced decision that doesn't threaten Griswold or try to define personhood. It simply leaves abortion to the states. Maryland can allow abortion in the 9th Month, as their laws currently do. Texas can ban it completely if they choose. For the first time in nearly fifty years, people will not be told by a court what to do about abortion, but instead to determine the appropriate destiny for each society through our democracy. And they will remain able to prevent implantation via contraception.

I don't much care who this helps electorally. What I do find praise in is the strengthening of our democracy and the saving of lives that this decision would bring.

Also, if it's all true - Gorsuch, I was wrong about you. I still don't really get why you gave this answer, but glad to see you are actually pro-life. https://youtu.be/Z08EdjHJgoI

Why do you hate women so much?

I don't. I enthusiastically support robust government provided health care for Children, all sorts of entitlement programs for children and mothers, robust adoption programs, and contraception. I also support abortion allowance in certain cases, like rape, incest, life of the mother, fetal abnormalities - I would even be willing to sign a 15 week ban and set in firm stone, never be able to be changed. Heck, in Atlasia [Lincoln] I authored a 20 week ban, voted into law by the people, and I have no plans to change that should I serve in office again.

I simply reject the notion that it is up to a court to decide all of this. It should be decided by the people through their representatives. I further reject the notion that I have to embrace unfettered or effectively unfettered abortion to support Women. I think we should be a society where Women don't need to destroy life to succeed, but where we still enthusiastically assist Women and their babies with having successful lives.

Atlasia is not a real country so using it as an example is stupid.

You support a woman's autonomy being stripped away, which lines you up with theocrats.

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

You don't actually believe this, you're just parroting what you've seen some pro-choice women say to pro-life men as an attempt to "own" him.

You don't get to say what I do or do not believe in. Nor do you know me well enough to have a valid argument here.

Okay, theocrat.

Can you do anything except make personal attacks in violation of the TOS. You can be upset but attacking posters is a TOS violation and you keep doing that.

Doesn't make me wrong.

It's not a woman's autonomy that is of primary concern here, it's the autonomy of the defenseless unborn child.

[DrScholl]

This is a leak of a document written in February, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But If this is the real opinion they'll be releasing in a few weeks, Praise the LORD. This is not only the legally correct (When you take all the politics out of it, there is no right to abortion in the constitution. It simply isn't there. We invented it in 1973, and have only kept it around this long for public opinion concerns, which is not a legally appropriate basis for Court Decisions.) but also incredibly life-saving Decision. It's also a balanced decision that doesn't threaten Griswold or try to define personhood. It simply leaves abortion to the states. Maryland can allow abortion in the 9th Month, as their laws currently do. Texas can ban it completely if they choose. For the first time in nearly fifty years, people will not be told by a court what to do about abortion, but instead to determine the appropriate destiny for each society through our democracy. And they will remain able to prevent implantation via contraception.

I don't much care who this helps electorally. What I do find praise in is the strengthening of our democracy and the saving of lives that this decision would bring.

Also, if it's all true - Gorsuch, I was wrong about you. I still don't really get why you gave this answer, but glad to see you are actually pro-life. https://youtu.be/Z08EdjHJgoI

Why do you hate women so much?

Nothing about that post suggests he hates women.

Apart from the fact he's salivating over a woman's right to bodily autonomy being revoked.

For the vast majority of cases, women can exercise their right to bodily autonomy by choosing not to engage in acts they know can result in pregnancy.

And with that, you confirm you hate women too.

I am a woman. My opinion on the issue has more value than yours.

Not when your opinion is in favor of restricting other women's rights. And newsflash, there are women who hate other women. Being a woman doesn't mean you cannot be capable of hating women. Not saying that you do hate women, but you being a woman doesn't make your opinion right.

My opinion isn't in favor of restricting anyone's rights, because abortion isn't a right.

So you're saying that people don't have a right over their own bodies? Interesting logic. Just remember that there was a time that freedom wasn't a right if you were Black.

As I previously said:

For the vast majority of cases, women can exercise their right to bodily autonomy by choosing not to engage in acts they know can result in pregnancy.

Abortion affects a body that isn't a woman's right to harm.

And had the Africans kidnapped from their homelands been a little quicker in running they could have avoided slavery. We can play games like this all day, it doesn't make your argument right.

A woman has every right to terminate a pregnancy. And abortion won't stop because of this. A fetus is not a person. Your feelings are irrelevant to other people's rights.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Ok, but once it's inevitably overturned again can we please be done with it. I swear the people pushing this stuff got more birth control in their house than CVS or haven't touched a woman since birth 😒

Hopefully by the time its ever overturned the science will be there to safely extract and incubate the baby.

[Senator Incitatus]

Why am I not surprised the person yelling "You lost baby killer!" is a balding white guy?

Probably because you're prone to engage in pattern recognition and stereotyping, limited by a lifetime of media conditioning that selects which races you apply this instinct to. You can pay your bill on your way out and schedule your next appointment with the receptionist.