January 6th legal proceedings and investigations megathread

[Progressive Pessimist]

It's pretty sickening, though unsurprising, that Trump may get away with his delay tactics.

[Inmate Trump]

It's pretty sickening, though unsurprising, that Trump may get away with his delay tactics.

If he does then our justice system is truly f**ked.

And Garland is incompetent for dragging it out as long as he did. All of this should’ve started in 2021.

[emailking]

^ if and may are doing a lot of work there. Most legal experts think it will happen before the election.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

It's pretty sickening, though unsurprising, that Trump may get away with his delay tactics.

This is really Biden and Merrick Garland’s fault.  They should have appointed a special prosecutor to get this moving on their first day in office.  Waiting two years to move on this is an enormous failure on the part of Biden’s administration.

[Sir Mohamed]

It's pretty sickening, though unsurprising, that Trump may get away with his delay tactics.

Yup, at least if he's winning the election. Even more sickening is the fact he actually had a chance to win in the first place and so many people are willing to just ignore 91 felony charges and many more scandals.

[emailking]

Today could be that day we get the circuit immunity & DJ decision!

[2016]

Today could be that day we get the circuit immunity & DJ decision!

Yes, we could but nothing thus far. Even if the Circuit Court of Appeals does rule again Trump he then can ask for a Full Appeal Hearing before the entire Court or appeal directly to the SCOTUS which he certainly will do if it goes against him.

[emailking]

Today could be that day we get the circuit immunity & DJ decision!

Yes, we could but nothing thus far. Even if the Circuit Court of Appeals does rule again Trump he then can ask for a Full Appeal Hearing before the entire Court or appeal directly to the SCOTUS which he certainly will do if it goes against him.

Both of those can be dispensed with quickly. SCOTUS is more of a risk because who knows what they will do but 9th Circuit could give them 5 days to get a stay and if one isn't granted (very possible) it goes back to Chutkan which would at least get things back on track, even while he still appeals en banc or to SCOTUS.

[Inmate Trump]

It's pretty sickening, though unsurprising, that Trump may get away with his delay tactics.

This is really Biden and Merrick Garland’s fault.  They should have appointed a special prosecutor to get this moving on their first day in office.  Waiting two years to move on this is an enormous failure on the part of Biden’s administration.

Not Biden’s fault. This is all Garland.

[Progressive Pessimist]

^ if and may are doing a lot of work there. Most legal experts think it will happen before the election.

I hope you're right, but the potential conviction needs to happen by then too.

[Frodo]

It's pretty sickening, though unsurprising, that Trump may get away with his delay tactics.

In a way, though, it will make his loss this November that much more devastating to him than it would to a normal political opponent in a functioning democracy.  Everything would be happening to him in quick succession upon his loss with one guilty verdict after another, his property assets being seized, his business being destroyed, his family being torn apart, Trump facing serious time in prison in subsequent sentencing hearings -his goose would be well and truly cooked with his luck finally having run out on him.  Which is why I don't see him sticking around long in this country after the end of this year.  Maybe there will be a subsequent Republican administration elected in 2028 that could offer him a pardon, but it is more likely to be posthumous (in which case, what's the point?) as I don't see Trump surviving long enough to take it.  Not after everything that will happen to him that I pointed out which will likely destroy his will to live.   

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

It's pretty sickening, though unsurprising, that Trump may get away with his delay tactics.

This is really Biden and Merrick Garland’s fault.  They should have appointed a special prosecutor to get this moving on their first day in office.  Waiting two years to move on this is an enormous failure on the part of Biden’s administration.

Not Biden’s fault. This is all Garland.

To be fair to Garland, there was an immense amount of work to do to acquire and organize evidence (especially around January 6th). Donald didn't start his delaying tactics in 2022. And the deep and meticulous work the DoJ has done is the keeping Donald from already having successfully dodged or delayed his trial well past the election (although drawing Cannon as his judge has certainly helped him in Florida).

There's also the point that denying the Presidency to someone like Donald Trump should not rest on the Justice Department.  Yes, he belongs in prison, and yes, our justice system has failed to put him there. But likewise the voters should never have nominated him the first place, let alone done so a second or third time. And the GOP ought to have impeached him in 2021, at an absolute minimum.

So let's not put the whole weight of our democracy on Garland's shoulders - the Republicans have massively failed their responsibility as citizens.

[Progressive Pessimist]

It's pretty sickening, though unsurprising, that Trump may get away with his delay tactics.

In a way, though, it will make his loss this November that much more devastating to him than it would to a normal political opponent in a functioning democracy.  Everything would be happening to him in quick succession upon his loss with one guilty verdict after another, his property assets being seized, his business being destroyed, his family being torn apart, Trump facing serious time in prison in subsequent sentencing hearings -his goose would be well and truly cooked with his luck finally having run out on him.  Which is why I don't see him sticking around long in this country after the end of this year.  Maybe there will be a subsequent Republican administration elected in 2028 that could offer him a pardon, but it is more likely to be posthumous (in which case, what's the point?) as I don't see Trump surviving long enough to take it.  Not after everything that will happen to him that I pointed out which will likely destroy his will to live.   

Whoa...

Well, no matter what I was always subscribing to the idea that the Biden campaign shouldn't rely on the assumption of a Trump conviction, and I do think they can best him without one. It would just be better if Americans knew all they could about him before voting, especially if timed correctly.

[brucejoel99]

It's pretty sickening, though unsurprising, that Trump may get away with his delay tactics.

This is really Biden and Merrick Garland’s fault.  They should have appointed a special prosecutor to get this moving on their first day in office.  Waiting two years to move on this is an enormous failure on the part of Biden’s administration.

Not Biden’s fault. This is all Garland.

To be fair to Garland, there was an immense amount of work to do to acquire and organize evidence (especially around January 6th). Donald didn't start his delaying tactics in 2022. And the deep and meticulous work the DoJ has done is the keeping Donald from already having successfully dodged or delayed his trial well past the election (although drawing Cannon as his judge has certainly helped him in Florida).

There's also the point that denying the Presidency to someone like Donald Trump should not rest on the Justice Department.  Yes, he belongs in prison, and yes, our justice system has failed to put him there. But likewise the voters should never have nominated him the first place, let alone done so a second or third time. And the GOP ought to have impeached him in 2021, at an absolute minimum.

So let's not put the whole weight of our democracy on Garland's shoulders - the Republicans have massively failed their responsibility as citizens.

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I'm so sick of dealing with this crap that Garland's DOJ ditheredly "waited". Not only did they do the literal opposite, but they (quite rightly) risked losing any chance of pursuing the Team Trump case if they ever proceeded at any point with skipping necessary investigatory steps or taking any such steps unduly quickly! Let's remember the J6 investigation started immediately, but Trump-holdover Sherwin was interested in only charging the violent riot crimes, & Channing Phillips took over from Sherwin as U.S. Atty. for D.C. on Mar. 3rd, 2021, but asked Sherwin to remain supervisor of the J6 prosecutions for the time being, with Sherwin only then taken off for commenting on the case to the media less than 2 wks. after Garland took office as A.G. on Mar. 11th; by the time Lisa Monaco took office on Apr. 21st, she was having to immediately that very same day sign her authorization to the search warrant to seize Rudy's phones, & that was just Rudy: there were 30+ targets of, &/or relevant witnesses to, the investigation who had to undergo lengthy attorney-client privilege reviews!

If DOJ had bothered without regard for the privilege reviews on the phones & emails of Trump's 6 lawyer co-conspirators, that would've auto-guaranteed getting the case thrown out, but they didn't; it took 9 months, but they successfully got everything reviewed, meaning that they could finally start issuing subpoenas by around the time they started doing so in May 2022, at which point the delays became mere overt products of Trump's stalling, namely in the form of executive-privilege challenges from Jun. 2022 to Apr. 2023. That's 9 consecutive months of necessary A-C privilege reviews & then 10 consecutive months of having to deal with pre-indictment EP challenges right there, yet people will claim with a straight face that they "wait[ed] two years to move on this"? My ass they were waiting; they were f**king working the whole damn time! But people don't know how prosecutions work, & so will not only think the arguably biggest one of all-time can just be done overnight, but then blame Biden for failing when it isn't & claim that Garland hasn't taken actions he blatantly has.

[emailking]

Harry Litman has said they did everything by the book and the procedures they've established for working a case from the bottom up and that's how long it took, and that maybe you can argue that they should have changed the playbook under the circumstances but they did it the way they do it.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

OK, so why didn’t Garland even appoint a special prosecutor until more than two years after the election? Trump should have been arrested the day after the phone call with Raffensberger was released.

[GeorgiaModerate]

OK, so why didn’t Garland even appoint a special prosecutor until more than two years after the election? Trump should have been arrested the day after the phone call with Raffensberger was released.

Garland appointed the special prosecutor solely because Trump announced his candidacy for President, in order to move the already running DoJ investigation outside of political influence.  If you think nothing happened until Smith's appointment, you are mistaken.

[2016]

Will we get a verdict from the D. C. Circuit Court of Appeals on Trumps "Immunity Claim" this week?

It has been almost 3 Weeks since the Hearing!

[brucejoel99]

Will we get a verdict from the D. C. Circuit Court of Appeals on Trumps "Immunity Claim" this week?

It has been almost 3 Weeks since the Hearing!

The DC Circ. norm is to drop opinions on Tuesdays & Fridays. The ruling to modify & uphold Chutkan's gag order took 45 days. This has taken 20 days so far on an expedited review schedule, so I'd bet on either an opinion dropping this week, or on Henderson being the hold-up since she's entitled as the panel's most senior judge to give the initial opinion assignment (that's presumably taking the time up) to herself & given that expedited consideration was ordered over her dissent, so maybe she doesn't feel bound by the trial calendar despite the panel majority's wish.

[emailking]

If the latter it really sucks since many opined the reason SCOTUS turned down Smith to take it immediately was due to the Circuit putting out such an expedited review schedule.

[brucejoel99]

If the latter it really sucks since many opined the reason SCOTUS turned down Smith to take it immediately was due to the Circuit putting out such an expedited review schedule.

To say nothing of the fact that it could, ofc, end up taking even longer if Childs & Pan significantly differ with Henderson's draft enough to turn it into a concurrence rather than the panel opinion, & then even further longer still if such differences just serve to heighten the overall pressure for SCOTUS to not deny Trump cert but to indeed review his immunity after all.

Hopefully her joining the unanimous denial of en-banc review of the gag order just implies a single LONG opinion applying all considered args & prob addressing why the precedent on pretrial immunity having to explicitly rest on the Constitution isn't a jurisdictional roadblock to ruling here. May it be enough above reproach that SCOTUS can just deny further review.

[2016]

Weismann getting impatient towards the D.C. Circuit Court Panel, says that they are showing weakness

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1752907437797978476

[Arizona Iced Tea]

https://twitter.com/TheCalvinCooli1/status/1753256050394853463

Wait so Trump survives without any convictions outside possibly NY?

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https://twitter.com/TheCalvinCooli1/status/1753256050394853463

Wait so Trump survives without any convictions outside possibly NY?

The NY case is the weakest.

[Tekken_Guy]

https://twitter.com/TheCalvinCooli1/status/1753256050394853463

Wait so Trump survives without any convictions outside possibly NY?

Calvin Coolidge Project is a MAGA account who spin everything in his favor.