Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

If this passes, Biden goes down as a top 5 President

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1424727128944353283

As someone who does payroll for small businesses, I hope the paid leave doesn't kick in until at least 2022. The IRS has already been overwhelmed by changes to payroll taxes as part of various COVID relief measures, and I presume any permanent paid leave will be handled similarly to the emergency COVID paid leave. It needs both time and more people to ensure a smooth rollout of additional changes. It won't get the people, but it could use the time. We have clients that have been waiting months already to receive checks from the IRS for credits claimed. A last minute change kicking in for the fourth quarter would be rocky.

Of course, it could be worse, we could still be filling separate W-1 and SS-1 forms instead of the unified 941 form. (Prior to 1950, W-1 was the form employers filed with the IRS each quarter to document the amount of income tax that had been withheld from employee pay, SS-1 was the same idea, but for the employer and employee share of Social Security tax.)

[Pres Mike]

While I wish the infrastructure bill was larger and covered more (and passed sooner), I acknowledge this was probably the best path

It would have been hard to sell a 6 trillion all in one package to the public and the few senate moderates

So now the 550 billion is bipartisan so they public is ok. 3.5 trillion sounds better

[roxas11]

If Biden ends up pulling this off I believe the big lesson for both parties should be that experience really does matter. I understand that both sides want an outsider who has not been in Washington for too long, but just look at how that worked out for Trump when he tried to pass his health care bill and immigration reform or even Obama when he struggled to pass anything else after the ACA was signed into law in 2010.

The lesson that experience matters should have been learned after the Carter presidency.

This is kind of ironic since Carter actually had more experience than Obama and Trump before he became president lol

unilke those 2 Carter was a Georgia state senator (1963–1967) and The Governor of Georgia (1971–1975)

The carter years shows us that this is a very tough job even for someone with a decent amount of experience and that is a big reason why both parties should not be trying to make 1 term junior senators or reality tv show stars the next president of the united states

[Sir Mohamed]

If Biden ends up pulling this off I believe the big lesson for both parties should be that experience really does matter. I understand that both sides want an outsider who has not been in Washington for too long, but just look at how that worked out for Trump when he tried to pass his health care bill and immigration reform or even Obama when he struggled to pass anything else after the ACA was signed into law in 2010.

The lesson that experience matters should have been learned after the Carter presidency.

I never really understood the general appeal of outsiders in politics. It's literally the only profession people, and more specifically voters, think that way. Nobody would want to be treated by a doctor with little or no experience and nobody would get on board an aircraft with a pilot who never landed a plane.

Sure, some perspectives from outside are interesting and even needed in govt. However, that's why any smart chief executive, whether POTUS, a gov or mayor, should have an able team around him that is consisted for different people with different backgrounds. It's never a one man or one woman show, even if the head of govt makes the big and final decisions.

[OSR stands with Israel]

If Biden ends up pulling this off I believe the big lesson for both parties should be that experience really does matter. I understand that both sides want an outsider who has not been in Washington for too long, but just look at how that worked out for Trump when he tried to pass his health care bill and immigration reform or even Obama when he struggled to pass anything else after the ACA was signed into law in 2010.

The lesson that experience matters should have been learned after the Carter presidency.

I never really understood the general appeal of outsiders in politics. It's literally the only profession people, and more specifically voters, think that way. Nobody would want to be treated by a doctor with little or no experience and nobody would get on board an aircraft with a pilot who never landed a plane.

Sure, some perspectives from outside are interesting and even needed in govt. However, that's why any smart chief executive, whether POTUS, a gov or mayor, should have an able team around him that is consisted for different people with different backgrounds. It's never a one man or one woman show, even if the head of govt makes the big and final decisions.

There is a perception that outsiders are less corrupt since they havent been in politics too long but even thats a wrong perception.  The type of corruption that happens in politics, happens largely due to careerism and it's not like that's the only profession where people are massive careerists in.
 Politicians are actually not really more corrupt than the average human being, but they get more spotlight and they are in positions of power which is why we see the corruption more than we do in other professions.


George Carlin actually made a joke where he basically said that people complain how bad politicians are but then a few minutes later start bragging with other people how large of a car they had or how much they spent at the store and then said "I wonder why politicians suck so much"

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Manchin already said he doesn't want a 3.5 T package and the debt ceiling is coming up, the reason why Biden has mediocre Approvals is that the Unemployment checks are being cut and 375 K people are still filing Unemployment benefits, and record bankruptcies and no new 140o Stimulus checks  that even Yang has called for, don't forget we don't have any 💰 to Extend Unemployment because Bernie still have in March people with PENSIONS THAT DIDNT NEED ANOTHER STIMULUS CHECKS

SENIORS ARE ALREADY AS I said before get Dental and Vision if you make less than 145o your u qualify for Medicaid

Medicare doesn't pay for NURSING HOMES, MEDICAID DOES ONLY

If you are OVER INCOME MEDICAID PAYS FOR SENIORS NURSING HOME BUT IF YOU ARENT IN A NURSING HOMES YOU HAVE TO PAY THE 150 PREMIUM

It's a great deal but it's not gonna Eradicate the Inflation, Student Loan Debt and the trouble of Afghanistan pulling out too early, the Rs are gonna demand that Biden stay in Afghanistan, he's not gonna be able to pull out

As a Senior you can opt out of Medicare and just get Medicaid, but Medicaid want you to have both they want you to pay a fee for your own prescription drugs

[President Johnson]

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1425895636914868230

[Dereich]

If Biden ends up pulling this off I believe the big lesson for both parties should be that experience really does matter. I understand that both sides want an outsider who has not been in Washington for too long, but just look at how that worked out for Trump when he tried to pass his health care bill and immigration reform or even Obama when he struggled to pass anything else after the ACA was signed into law in 2010.

The lesson that experience matters should have been learned after the Carter presidency.

I never really understood the general appeal of outsiders in politics. It's literally the only profession people, and more specifically voters, think that way. Nobody would want to be treated by a doctor with little or no experience and nobody would get on board an aircraft with a pilot who never landed a plane.

Sure, some perspectives from outside are interesting and even needed in govt. However, that's why any smart chief executive, whether POTUS, a gov or mayor, should have an able team around him that is consisted for different people with different backgrounds. It's never a one man or one woman show, even if the head of govt makes the big and final decisions.

I don't think that's really the case. Outsider politicians aren't that different from businesses hiring outsiders into management over in-house promotions. Its often for the same reason too; the belief that the business (or country, I guess) are being held back by a toxic culture or self-interested clique that aren't acting in the interests of the organization as a whole. When the electorate has a widespread and deep dislike and distrust of "beltway culture" and politicians in general is it really a surprise that they wouldn't trust those same people to fix ongoing problems?

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


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[roxas11]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


Dumb

Nancy would be foolish if she did something like that

The fact is there is not enough votes to pass this bill alone without reconciliation

Progressive Dems will most likely vote against it and it is ridiculous to assume that there are enough Republicans in the house who will be willing to help moderate Democrats pass the bill anyway

The fact that Kevin McCarthy has yet come out in favor of a bipartisan bill that even Mitch McConnell voted for should be a huge warning sign to those 9 idiot Dems who really believe that republicans in the house are going to actually help them pass this bill if a lot of progressive Dems don't vote for it

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Nancy Pelosi can't pass Reconciliation without the nine D, Reconciliation is DONE, SHE ONLY HAS 3 SEAT MAJORITY

Manchin already said he wont pass 3 T dollars he only opened the Reconciliation budget he said nothing about voting on 3T final passage anyways

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We have three blue Dogs Sinema, Tester and Sinema, and Tester isn't Liberal, he is a blue dog, he already says he stands with Manchin and Sinema and he said Gianforte was right to cancel 300 Unemployment benefits early

If D's have a 52(48 Senate and 220(215 H after 2022 D's are gonna have to convince Tester on Statehoid too but he is more likely than Manchin yes on Statehood

That's the most likely scenario after 2022 Election anyways, a NEUTRAL ELECTION

It's Nate Silver EC maps on You tube 2022 replicate 304 blue Wall 538

[Sir Mohamed]

Nancy Pelosi can't pass Reconciliation without the nine D, Reconciliation is DONE, SHE ONLY HAS 3 SEAT MAJORITY

Manchin already said he wont pass 3 T dollars he only opened the Reconciliation budget he said nothing about voting on 3T final passage anyways

220 to 212 (with 3 vacancies) is 8 seats according to my calculation.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Weren’t substantiallymore than 9 congressmen refusing to move forward on the compromise without the companion piece?

Really getting sick of the people who brand themselves compromisy deal makers taking everyone else hostage.

[pppolitics]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


Dumb

Nancy would be foolish if she did something like that

The fact is there is not enough votes to pass this bill alone without reconciliation

Progressive Dems will most likely vote against it and it is ridiculous to assume that there are enough Republicans in the house who will be willing to help moderate Democrats pass the bill anyway

The fact that Kevin McCarthy has yet come out in favor of a bipartisan bill that even Mitch McConnell voted for should be a huge warning sign to those 9 idiot Dems who really believe that republicans in the house are going to actually help them pass this bill if a lot of progressive Dems don't vote for it

What makes the 9 moderate Democrats "idiots" and not the so-called "Progressive Dems" who are holding the infrastructure bill hostage right now?

[roxas11]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


Dumb

Nancy would be foolish if she did something like that

The fact is there is not enough votes to pass this bill alone without reconciliation

Progressive Dems will most likely vote against it and it is ridiculous to assume that there are enough Republicans in the house who will be willing to help moderate Democrats pass the bill anyway

The fact that Kevin McCarthy has yet come out in favor of a bipartisan bill that even Mitch McConnell voted for should be a huge warning sign to those 9 idiot Dems who really believe that republicans in the house are going to actually help them pass this bill if a lot of progressive Dems don't vote for it

What makes the 9 moderate Democrats "idiots" and not the so-called "Progressive Dems" who are holding the infrastructure bill hostage right now?

They are idiots because they know full well that they can't pass their bipartisan bill without progressive support. A senior Democratic aide even told CNN "there are not sufficient votes to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill this month

Their entire plan seems to based on idea that this guy is going to come to their rescue and help them pass their bipartisan infrastructure bill if progressive Dems don't vote for it....


Now don't get wrong, it would be one thing if McCarthy had actually said he would be willing to help them pass the bill but in this case not only has he not said anything like that

All indications are that he and most of the house republicans are going to vote against the bipartisan bill..

[Pyro]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


Dumb

Nancy would be foolish if she did something like that

The fact is there is not enough votes to pass this bill alone without reconciliation

Progressive Dems will most likely vote against it and it is ridiculous to assume that there are enough Republicans in the house who will be willing to help moderate Democrats pass the bill anyway

The fact that Kevin McCarthy has yet come out in favor of a bipartisan bill that even Mitch McConnell voted for should be a huge warning sign to those 9 idiot Dems who really believe that republicans in the house are going to actually help them pass this bill if a lot of progressive Dems don't vote for it

What makes the 9 moderate Democrats "idiots" and not the so-called "Progressive Dems" who are holding the infrastructure bill hostage right now?

Progressives are aligned with Biden on passing both measures.
The conservative Dems are trying to sink Biden's budget plan.

[pppolitics]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


Dumb

Nancy would be foolish if she did something like that

The fact is there is not enough votes to pass this bill alone without reconciliation

Progressive Dems will most likely vote against it and it is ridiculous to assume that there are enough Republicans in the house who will be willing to help moderate Democrats pass the bill anyway

The fact that Kevin McCarthy has yet come out in favor of a bipartisan bill that even Mitch McConnell voted for should be a huge warning sign to those 9 idiot Dems who really believe that republicans in the house are going to actually help them pass this bill if a lot of progressive Dems don't vote for it

What makes the 9 moderate Democrats "idiots" and not the so-called "Progressive Dems" who are holding the infrastructure bill hostage right now?

They are idiots because they know full well that they can't pass their bipartisan bill without progressive support. A senior Democratic aide even told CNN "there are not sufficient votes to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill this month

Their entire plan seems to based on idea that this guy is going to come to their rescue and help them pass their bipartisan infrastructure bill if progressive Dems don't vote for it....


Now don't get wrong, it would be one thing if McCarthy had actually said he would be willing to help them pass the bill but in this case not only has he not said anything like that

All indications are that he and most of the house republicans are going to vote against the bipartisan bill..

It works the other way too.

The reconciliation bill can’t pass with out moderates support.

So, by your own logic, those so-called “progressive Democrats” are idiots.

[roxas11]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


Dumb

Nancy would be foolish if she did something like that

The fact is there is not enough votes to pass this bill alone without reconciliation

Progressive Dems will most likely vote against it and it is ridiculous to assume that there are enough Republicans in the house who will be willing to help moderate Democrats pass the bill anyway

The fact that Kevin McCarthy has yet come out in favor of a bipartisan bill that even Mitch McConnell voted for should be a huge warning sign to those 9 idiot Dems who really believe that republicans in the house are going to actually help them pass this bill if a lot of progressive Dems don't vote for it

What makes the 9 moderate Democrats "idiots" and not the so-called "Progressive Dems" who are holding the infrastructure bill hostage right now?

They are idiots because they know full well that they can't pass their bipartisan bill without progressive support. A senior Democratic aide even told CNN "there are not sufficient votes to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill this month

Their entire plan seems to based on idea that this guy is going to come to their rescue and help them pass their bipartisan infrastructure bill if progressive Dems don't vote for it....


Now don't get wrong, it would be one thing if McCarthy had actually said he would be willing to help them pass the bill but in this case not only has he not said anything like that

All indications are that he and most of the house republicans are going to vote against the bipartisan bill..

It works the other way too.

The reconciliation bill can’t pass with out moderates support.

So, by your own logic, those so-called “progressive Democrats” are idiots.

The difference is that progressives are not under any illusion that the GOP in the house are going to help them pass Biden's agenda if moderate Dems don't vote for the reconciliation bill

Moderate Dems on the had seem to be convinced that McCarthy and house Republicans are actually going to help them pass their bipartisan infrastructure bill if progressive Democrats dont vote for it lol

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

It works the other way too.

The reconciliation bill can’t pass with out moderates support.

So, by your own logic, those so-called “progressive Democrats” are idiots.

They're both going to pass with both moderate and progressive support, because each side depends on the other, which is why waiting to pass both in October makes so much sense.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I don't see how the Reconciliation passes without the moderate D's, because Pelosi doesn't have nine seats to spare on Reconciliation, Rs are uniform against it
She is gonna have to bend to moderates will because we are in the bet session where a Govt shutdown looks and they compromised with the same my derate Rs to pass the Stimulus last yr

Watch the infrastructure we I'll pass this year and Reconciliation idls gonna stall untill 2022, because of Debt Ceiling and Govt shutdown. They waited til 2021 to pass the full stimulus last time

[roxas11]

To be clear, I'm not actually against what the moderate Dems are trying to accomplish

I am all for the idea of wanting to get the infrastructure money to the states as quickly as possible and if they actually had the votes to do it than I would have no problem supporting them, but the reality is moderate Dems don't have the votes and putting this bill on the floor for a vote is not going change that fact. If anything, it would actually damage the prospects of both infrastructure bill and reconciliation bill getting passed if the bipartisan bill fails to get enough votes on the house floor

So for that reason alone, I simply cannot support the moderate Dems on this. Say what you will about Nancy Pelosi, but she is no fool when it comes to the numbers and she knows full well that the numbers are simply not there for a stand alone vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill

If both progressives and moderates stick to together than they both sides can get what they want out of this, but if moderates have it their way the bipartisan bill will die the second Nancy puts it on the floor for a vote and both sides will get nothing in the end

[jaichind]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


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The House GOP should offer to make up votes for the bipartisan bill to pass on its own if doing so means the Progressive Dem threatens to sink such a bill. 

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The D's are going after House Rs on the Commission, they're not Senators whom blocked the JT Commission why would they help D's pass Infrastructure

[President Johnson]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


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The House GOP should offer to make up votes for the bipartisan bill to pass on its own if doing so means the Progressive Dem threatens to sink such a bill. 

Problem is just that House Republicans in general are much more nuts than Senate Republicans. The fact that even Mitch voted for the bill should convince few, but not that many I guess.