Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


Dumb

The House GOP should offer to make up votes for the bipartisan bill to pass on its own if doing so means the Progressive Dem threatens to sink such a bill. 

Problem is just that House Republicans in general are much more nuts than Senate Republicans. The fact that even Mitch voted for the bill should convince few, but not that many I guess.

Less House Republicans will vote for the bipartisan bill than voted to impeach back in Jan., is my guess.

[gerritcole]

Pleosi should remove them from committees

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Why would Pelosi remove them from Committees she's in a similar predicament as Schumer any of them 9 can become an R and 3 votes switch Control before Redistricting, D's can still win H control if we max gains in Cali, IL and NY over GA, NC, TX and FL

Infrastructure will pass these are the same R Senators that saved the Gov over Shutdown at the end of the yr 2020/and like Stimulus, the Reconciliation will wait till next yr

The Govt shut down is fast approaching and you don't want a shutdown if you are the Majority party in the House, especially a yr before an Election

Rs will probably help D's at the end pass infrastructure, it's only AOC squad that wants this Infrastructure combined with Reconciliation about 33 Members as enough Rs can give D's enough votes before Xmas not before then

[jaichind]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985


Dumb

The House GOP should offer to make up votes for the bipartisan bill to pass on its own if doing so means the Progressive Dem threatens to sink such a bill. 

Problem is just that House Republicans in general are much more nuts than Senate Republicans. The fact that even Mitch voted for the bill should convince few, but not that many I guess.

Yes, but its not like the Dem Progressive are that large in numbers either.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985

Dumb

The House GOP should offer to make up votes for the bipartisan bill to pass on its own if doing so means the Progressive Dem threatens to sink such a bill.  

Problem is just that House Republicans in general are much more nuts than Senate Republicans. The fact that even Mitch voted for the bill should convince few, but not that many I guess.

Yes, but its not like the Dem Progressive are that large in numbers either.

95 is a very large number - let alone a much larger number than 9 - when the margin-for-error here is 4.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985

Dumb

The House GOP should offer to make up votes for the bipartisan bill to pass on its own if doing so means the Progressive Dem threatens to sink such a bill.  

Problem is just that House Republicans in general are much more nuts than Senate Republicans. The fact that even Mitch voted for the bill should convince few, but not that many I guess.

Yes, but its not like the Dem Progressive are that large in numbers either.

95 is a very large number when the margin-for-error here is 4.

We have a Govt shutdown on Xmas time, the Rs are gonna make Pelosi sweat, they will pass Infrastructure before the Govt shutdown, they did the samething last yr and Stimulus waited til 2021/Reconciliation will wait until 2022

It's mainly AOC squad like Cori Bush, AOC not wanting to negotiate and want the two bills passed at same time, infrastructure is an R initiative

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1426147926888361985

Dumb

The House GOP should offer to make up votes for the bipartisan bill to pass on its own if doing so means the Progressive Dem threatens to sink such a bill. 

Problem is just that House Republicans in general are much more nuts than Senate Republicans. The fact that even Mitch voted for the bill should convince few, but not that many I guess.

This, plus McConnell and his caucus know they can't be too obstructionist or Manchin/Sinema/Warner/etc may suddenly flip on keeping the filibuster. There are no minority rights in the House anymore - they're lucky to get to offer their doomed to fail amendments to bills even - 61% of the time this congress the floor process has been a completely closed one - so there's no reason for McCarthy and his caucus to ever provide "help"

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Speaker Pelosi cannot afford a Govt shutdown and these moderate Rs were the same ones like Cassidy that negotiated the stimulus, they agreed on everything but the 2K checks and passed 600 only and passed infrastructure before Xmas

The samething is gonna happen, the infrastructure is gonna pass with the Appropriations bills and Reconciliation will pass in 2022, this is FY 2022 not 2021 budget anyways, and there should be no Govt shutdown in a Pandemic


AOC and her squad are the only ones demanding Reconciliation comes with Infrastructure

[AGA]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

[Ferguson97]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

[AGA]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

Research has shown that preschool does nothing to help children in the long term.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

As I said before, the moderates are rebelling against the the AOC wing of the party, just like Manchin and Sinema said they won't support the 3.5T, AOC ran Pelosi last time by holding up the 2.2T stimulus package and she is holding the infrastructure bill hostage to reconciliation, the moderates don't want any parts of AOC socialism

[7,052,770]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

Research has shown that preschool does nothing to help children in the long term.

It helps the parents massively to not have to pay for daycare and/or stay at home with the kids all day.

[Ferguson97]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

Research has shown that preschool does nothing to help children in the long term.

You are objectively incorrect:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lasting-benefits-of-preschool-11603378648

https://www.nea.org/student-success/smart-just-policies/funding-public-schools/early-childhood-education

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.3102/0013189X17737739

https://www.nichd.nih.gov/newsroom/releases/031115-podcast-reynolds

[Utah Neolib]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

Research has shown that preschool does nothing to help children in the long term.

I’ve seen some studies that show the opposite

[AGA]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

Research has shown that preschool does nothing to help children in the long term.

It helps the parents massively to not have to pay for daycare and/or stay at home with the kids all day.

That's what daycare is for.

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

Research has shown that preschool does nothing to help children in the long term.

You are objectively incorrect:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lasting-benefits-of-preschool-11603378648

https://www.nea.org/student-success/smart-just-policies/funding-public-schools/early-childhood-education

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.3102/0013189X17737739

https://www.nichd.nih.gov/newsroom/releases/031115-podcast-reynolds

I can't see the first article due to a paywall. I'd also have to look into the methodology of the article in the second and third link, but a lot of studies on preschool may be flawed due to selection bias. There is evidence that while preschool as short-term benefits for children, after a few years, children who did not attend preschool tend to catch up.

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[7,052,770]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

Research has shown that preschool does nothing to help children in the long term.

It helps the parents massively to not have to pay for daycare and/or stay at home with the kids all day.

That's what daycare is for.

Daycare is so f***ing expensive. Universal public pre-K would be a financial godsend to millions of families.

[Adam Griffin]

Pre-K is a waste in the aggregate - everybody can pull studies out of their rear-ends but the aggregate result of these studies is comparable to that of the benefit of charter schools. Why not advocate for those, too? It's just another example of the failed "more time in school = better children" belief.

Some states (like mine!) have been pursuing universal pre-K for the better part of 30 years and still have no net benefit or improvement relative to other states that haven't adopted such!



Better off just paying for daycare for parents who need it - would be cheaper since at least some families have stay-at-home parents who can watch their own kids during the day. Subsidizing one year of "alone time" for parents who don't work is one example of where I'll say the federal & state governments have no business intervening.

[AGA]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

Research has shown that preschool does nothing to help children in the long term.

It helps the parents massively to not have to pay for daycare and/or stay at home with the kids all day.

That's what daycare is for.

Daycare is so f***ing expensive. Universal public pre-K would be a financial godsend to millions of families.

Then do universal daycare, lol.

[roxas11]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

While I'm not opposed to the idea of Universal pre-K I agree that if something had to cut that would probably be the first thing to go because As far as im concerned climate and health care are the 2 most impotant things in that budget resolution and everything else a bounus

It's good if we can get everything, if but if we can't then I have no problem with those other things being cut out of the bill in order to make sure the far more important stuff gets passed

[7,052,770]

Universal pre-K is a complete waste of money and should be axed.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Universal preschool is one of the best investments we can make for children's' futures.

Research has shown that preschool does nothing to help children in the long term.

It helps the parents massively to not have to pay for daycare and/or stay at home with the kids all day.

That's what daycare is for.

Daycare is so f***ing expensive. Universal public pre-K would be a financial godsend to millions of families.

Then do universal daycare, lol.

You think I don't support that too?

Let's help families by having universal public daycare. And the last 2 years of that can be structured like a classroom rather than just babysitting.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Universal pre-K has clear academic benefits provided we have high standards and high pay for teachers, a solid curriculum, etc. The details matter here, and it's going to be really hard to get them right. Head Start for all--or something similar--would, of course, be an absolute disaster.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It won't matter there is a standoff, moderates want 1.2T to be voted on and signed into law before Reconciliation bill

[Blue3]

This may be a dumb question, but with the Senate passing this first, doesn't that actually pose a problem? Because these bills usually need to originate in the House by constitutional law. So after it goes through the House, it will need to go through the Senate again?

[brucejoel99]

This may be a dumb question, but with the Senate passing this first, doesn't that actually pose a problem? Because these bills usually need to originate in the House by constitutional law. So after it goes through the House, it will need to go through the Senate again?

The House did pass it first: H.R. 3684 was originally the House Democrats' infrastructure proposal, the INVEST in America Act, before the Senate amended it by substituting for it their own bipartisan infrastructure deal, the Infrastructure Investment & Jobs Act of 2021. The Senate subverts the Origination Clause's formal requirements by amending previously passed House bills that contain taxing-&-spending measures all the time. It's even how the CARES Act - which was originally the Middle Class Health Benefits Tax Repeal Act of 2019 - had to make its way through Congress last year. So long as the House passes the bipartisan bill without further amendments, it can proceed straight to President Biden's desk.