Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[politicallefty]

Is there anyone that still doubts that Nancy Pelosi is the greatest speaker of the house in American history?

I personally think it's time for someone younger. However, she's a master in getting votes and in fundraising.

She definitely deserves credit for this, as does Schumer for getting Manchin back on board. Even if liberals and progressives didn't get anything they wanted. Still a big win for Biden and the Democrats when they were in dare need for one.

That one point is where I disagree. If there's a miracle and Democrats can hold the House, she should have a fifth term if she wants it. I certainly don't expect it, and I don't think she does either. I feel like she's working on cementing her legacy and it really is an extraordinary one. The age arguments don't really work with her. She's got stamina that would put most to shame. If we get another window to move the Democratic agenda forward, we'll need Pelosi.

I don't want someone too young as the next Speaker/Democratic Leader. I want someone experienced that knows how to do it. I'd like to know who Pelosi herself wants. At the very least, it's clear she does not want Hoyer or Clyburn to succeed her (I think age is the biggest factor with the latter).

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We don't what the outcome of a tax increase we will have but Cindy Axne is getting crushed 49/41 since this inflation Act, but Beasey and Ryan and Demings s are still over performing,

IA like NH us an anti tax stax but other states aren't anti tax, Ryan was on MSNBC not afraid to vote in fav of raising taxes


We know FL is an anti tax state and Crist voted for it and he was up 51/49 in a Listener poll in June now he is behind by 3, we will all find out in Nov but for some it's a net negative and some it's a net positive

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I am not saying that raising taxes is a bad thing but until inflation goes down and people start to feel that the bill is working for them, then for some people raising taxes is a bad thing of course if inflation drops dramatically in the next 90 days there will not be any reprocaution to raise taxes but as long as this homeless crisis persist inflation not gas or food are gonna feel negative about the economy

But, on Eday anything can happen

Still by 60/30 Voters feel the country is on the wrong track

[Antonio the Sixth]

From the perspective of the coal industry, it really does seem like Senator Manchin gave away the store, according to this article:

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1558579169012973568
So now it is clear just how crucial it is to Manchin that the permitting reform bill (the separate side deal that enabled him to support the climate package) is passed, especially if he is to have a future at all in politics.

Well, then he'd better give us the rest of BBB as agreed to last year.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Is there anyone that still doubts that Nancy Pelosi is the greatest speaker of the house in American history?

I personally think it's time for someone younger. However, she's a master in getting votes and in fundraising.

She definitely deserves credit for this, as does Schumer for getting Manchin back on board. Even if liberals and progressives didn't get anything they wanted. Still a big win for Biden and the Democrats when they were in dare need for one.

That one point is where I disagree. If there's a miracle and Democrats can hold the House, she should have a fifth term if she wants it. I certainly don't expect it, and I don't think she does either. I feel like she's working on cementing her legacy and it really is an extraordinary one. The age arguments don't really work with her. She's got stamina that would put most to shame. If we get another window to move the Democratic agenda forward, we'll need Pelosi.

I don't want someone too young as the next Speaker/Democratic Leader. I want someone experienced that knows how to do it. I'd like to know who Pelosi herself wants. At the very least, it's clear she does not want Hoyer or Clyburn to succeed her (I think age is the biggest factor with the latter).

I think I remember reading something about Katherine Clark a few years back.

[politicallefty]

Is there anyone that still doubts that Nancy Pelosi is the greatest speaker of the house in American history?

I personally think it's time for someone younger. However, she's a master in getting votes and in fundraising.

She definitely deserves credit for this, as does Schumer for getting Manchin back on board. Even if liberals and progressives didn't get anything they wanted. Still a big win for Biden and the Democrats when they were in dare need for one.

That one point is where I disagree. If there's a miracle and Democrats can hold the House, she should have a fifth term if she wants it. I certainly don't expect it, and I don't think she does either. I feel like she's working on cementing her legacy and it really is an extraordinary one. The age arguments don't really work with her. She's got stamina that would put most to shame. If we get another window to move the Democratic agenda forward, we'll need Pelosi.

I don't want someone too young as the next Speaker/Democratic Leader. I want someone experienced that knows how to do it. I'd like to know who Pelosi herself wants. At the very least, it's clear she does not want Hoyer or Clyburn to succeed her (I think age is the biggest factor with the latter).

I think I remember reading something about Katherine Clark a few years back.

I think you mean Kathleen Rice of NY-04, who is retiring this year. Pelosi kept Rice off the Judiciary Committee. I think the saying is "if you swing at the King, you best not miss." Pelosi's enemies within the party are mostly gone. If Democrats retain the majority, she's stronger than ever.

[Brittain33]

From the perspective of the coal industry, it really does seem like Senator Manchin gave away the store, according to this article:

Interesting article, thanks for sharing. The article depicts the mine workers’ union and black lung victims to be very supportive of the package, but mine owners, not so much. It looks like it provides a lot of money for the state on the assumption coal is declining and will end which seems like a safe bet but a hard truth. The question is how voters who aren’t close to the issue will respond.

[Orser67]

The Upshot has a nice table depicting what's in the bill and how it compares to the original Build Back Better bill here.

I'm glad that Schumer focused on the climate as the one key thing to pass, and I don't know if the full Build Back Better plan ever had a real chance of passing, but it would have been cool to get universal pre-k for 3-4 year olds into the IRA.

[Koharu]

From the perspective of the coal industry, it really does seem like Senator Manchin gave away the store, according to this article:

Interesting article, thanks for sharing. The article depicts the mine workers’ union and black lung victims to be very supportive of the package, but mine owners, not so much. It looks like it provides a lot of money for the state on the assumption coal is declining and will end which seems like a safe bet but a hard truth. The question is how voters who aren’t close to the issue will respond.

From the article: "The Nature Conservancy and West Virginia Chamber of Commerce released a survey last year finding that most West Virginians believe that the state should reduce its reliance on coal and shift to renewable energy sources, a significant shift in public opinion."

I think the coal industry folks will be spending lots of money to try to appeal to West Virginians, but the reality is that coal is not a major employer anymore and thus is not essential to as many West Virginians as it was even ten years ago, so opinions will shift.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

BTW a little factoid: this now means that Bill Clinton, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and now Joe Biden have all successfully raised taxes on the rich and/or the largest corporations, something that even many left-wing parties in Europe haven't successfully achieved over the past 35 years

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

BTW a little factoid: this now means that Bill Clinton, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and now Joe Biden have all successfully raised taxes on the rich and/or the largest corporations, something that even many left-wing parties in Europe haven't successfully achieved over the past 35 years

Well we have to keep in mind socialist utopia Europe has 90% tax rates on the rich /s

I still don't understand this idea that parties in the US are far to the right of any in Europe. The average member of the FrP in Norway is probably substantially more racist than the average Democrat.

If you ignore health care, are the Tories really that different than moderate Republicans?

[Person Man]

BTW a little factoid: this now means that Bill Clinton, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and now Joe Biden have all successfully raised taxes on the rich and/or the largest corporations, something that even many left-wing parties in Europe haven't successfully achieved over the past 35 years

Well we have to keep in mind socialist utopia Europe has 90% tax rates on the rich /s

I still don't understand this idea that parties in the US are far to the right of any in Europe. The average member of the FrP in Norway is probably substantially more racist than the average Democrat.

If you ignore health care, are the Tories really that different than moderate Republicans?

Some could be very conservative Republicans.

[Frodo]

So the bill signing ceremony will be held today (August 16):

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1559323315994501121

[emailking]

Inflation reduction is law.

[GP270watch]

 Having real competition in energy sources against fossil fuels will reduce energy costs in the long run. New solar and wind projects are already cheaper than almost all new fossil fuel projects. The government of The United States the most powerful economy in the world finally having at least some government policy in this area is about time, even if it's not enough at least it's a start.

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1559630370487894017

Journalists are so sad Trump lost

[FT-02 Senator A.F.E. 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

I wish I could enjoy the glorious news of the IRA getting signed into law, but unfortunately I'm sick like a dog rn  

[ꙮ]

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1559630370487894017

Journalists are so sad Trump lost

The fact that things are going so well now for Biden is apparently bad for Biden. Logic.

[Frodo]

Time to unsticky this megathread:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1559634584484052993

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1559630370487894017

Journalists are so sad Trump lost

The fact that things are going so well now for Biden is apparently bad for Biden. Logic.

You'd think the media would be happy in having another massive Trump scandal to focus on that they wouldn't want to go back to the well of dogging Biden.

[emailking]

One editor's tweet does not make a trend.

[Frodo]

The climate change provisions of this deal aren't ideal, but they are enough for us to remain hopeful:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1559680196269187072

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Rs are crashing in the polls after this bill passed good bye R party I hope it was worth supporting Trump 22 isn't gonna be a typical midterm

[GeneralMacArthur]

It's over, we won!  Time to unsticky the thread

DEMS WIN