2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[The Mikado]

Is he even trying at this point? I have a sneaking suspicion that this campaign doesn't exist outside of the green room of Real Time With Bill Maher.

I said this already but I'll say it again:

The actual nominee of the Green Party will outperform Cornel West.

You might say "But The Mikado, you know that the rando nobody the Greens pick will not have Cornel West's fame!" To which I'll just say that ballot access in TX and CA as a way to let people there blow off steam is enough to swamp West's vote total everywhere else. The Greens will be on the ballot in the nation's top three biggest states: CA, TX, and FL. West won't be on in any one of the three.

Third Party vote share is basically a function of ballot access and an independent will never match the Libertarians and Greens on that front. It's basically not possible. Therefore, the Libertarians are basically guaranteed 3rd and the Greens 4th no matter how famous an independent is.

[PSOL]

Lotta things happening with the Libertarians

Negotiations in Michigan ongoing

Forward has endorsed third party candidates for the first time, three libertarians in PA
Ye gives up
No Labels lawsuit in AZ to prevent a hostile primary takeover

Former North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory, a Co-Chair of No Labels, Won’t Register as a No Labels Party Member
Safe to say this won't exist by 2024
SC Independence changes its name to be affiliated with Forward

Such a move has precedence

When the Natural Law Party decided to cease to exist, the South Carolina Natural Law Party kindly changed its name to the Green Party, so that the Green Party became qualified in South Carolina.

Connecticut removes Independence Party off 2023 municipal ballot for cross endorsements
Mikado, you do understand this is a soft dropout?

[MichaelM24]

https://twitter.com/SPofUSA/status/1716089171519906297

Somewhat surprised, but hope that they get ballot access in as many states as possible.

Claudia De la Cruz and Stodden should organize a discussion, just so potential voters can get a lay of their differences.

[PSOL]

F&E debates are only a few months ahead. Anyway this ticket is so whatever.
Socialist Alternative is sticking with West. So far it seems that none of the supportive parties that helped with the Green party campaign in the previous 8 years are sticking around. First the ISO sexpests in New York left for Bernie not Hawkins, then SPUSA got really p!$$y that the Greens didn’t totally become a socialist party, now SAlt is done with them.

These are the only competent forces in the party outside of BAR/BAP
The PSL is really killing it with their campaign lately, maybe they could get as many votes as they previously got even with a more unfavorable ballot access environment.

[Dr. MB]

After decades of only having one candidate, they have quadrupled that number to 4 in less than 3 years. Ideally SPUSA should try and get a bunch of endorsements from parties like SAlt and state green party chairs, and maybe even better get in contact with the PSL and then try and get over 100,000 votes as a strong socialist ticket. Thanks to Jill I doubt another socialist gets nominated by the Greens sadly.

The former officeholder is so whatever and the fact that the last candidate has poor speaking skills but good views is a missed opportunity. The female VP contender is the co-chair of the party so good for her.

The remarkable thing about the Kennedy campaign so far is how boring it is. Literally all it is is rhetoric about how the two-party system is broken, sprinkled with a bit of anti-vaccine stuff, while taking Moderate Hero stances on every other issue.

Anyone using the two party system as the main plank of a campaign is idiotic. RFK Jr also isn’t charismatic at all and is the second most reptilian candidate of this race. Also the ugliest candidate getting any sort of coverage.

Kucinich according to the comment section is all worn out.

I think having a 50 state candidate running under an explicitly socialist banner would be interesting just because it hasnt been tried in so long. There's definitely an appetite for it.

I don't trust PSL at all and they shouldn't be the ones to do it. The Socialist party organizationally obviously isn't very strong but they do have the most recognizable party name.

[PSOL]

After decades of only having one candidate, they have quadrupled that number to 4 in less than 3 years. Ideally SPUSA should try and get a bunch of endorsements from parties like SAlt and state green party chairs, and maybe even better get in contact with the PSL and then try and get over 100,000 votes as a strong socialist ticket. Thanks to Jill I doubt another socialist gets nominated by the Greens sadly.

The former officeholder is so whatever and the fact that the last candidate has poor speaking skills but good views is a missed opportunity. The female VP contender is the co-chair of the party so good for her.

The remarkable thing about the Kennedy campaign so far is how boring it is. Literally all it is is rhetoric about how the two-party system is broken, sprinkled with a bit of anti-vaccine stuff, while taking Moderate Hero stances on every other issue.

Anyone using the two party system as the main plank of a campaign is idiotic. RFK Jr also isn’t charismatic at all and is the second most reptilian candidate of this race. Also the ugliest candidate getting any sort of coverage.

Kucinich according to the comment section is all worn out.

I think having a 50 state candidate running under an explicitly socialist banner would be interesting just because it hasnt been tried in so long. There's definitely an appetite for it.

I don't trust PSL at all and they shouldn't be the ones to do it. The Socialist party organizationally obviously isn't very strong but they do have the most recognizable party name.

SPUSA is not more recognizable among people who actually go outside and protest for any particular thing, and is fundamentally a less active organization even with more members and more tolerance among wealthy left-liberal donors and the Green party’s ballot line who got them three new offices for next to nothing.

I don’t even like the PSL, but anti-communist and hysterical nonsense painting them as a cult of abusive grifters coinciding with their huge strides in actually organizing for a socialist future is pathetic given that their liberal critics are generally uninvolved with the wider masses and touch less grass than they do.

[Stranger in a strange land]

“Brother Harlan Crow”
https://twitter.com/cornelwest/status/1715038844129583389?s=46&t=o2RmfeV6yYJ...

lmao
https://twitter.com/cornelwest/status/1715394377671946708?s=46&t=o2RmfeV6yYJ...

Figures that "Brother Harlan Crow", Clarence Thomas's sugar daddy and the cause of the recent Supreme Court Scandal, would bankroll West's candidacy, in much the same way that Texas oilmen donated to Ralph Nader in 2000.

[AltWorlder]

Ye gives up

Goes to show that meme candidates need a baseline of organizational and personal stability to get off the ground. Also see Joe Exotic's nonexistent Democratic primary campaign, and John McAfee's candidacy for the Libertarian nomination.

[PSOL]

“Brother Harlan Crow”
https://twitter.com/cornelwest/status/1715038844129583389?s=46&t=o2RmfeV6yYJ...

lmao
https://twitter.com/cornelwest/status/1715394377671946708?s=46&t=o2RmfeV6yYJ...

Figures that "Brother Harlan Crow", Clarence Thomas's sugar daddy and the cause of the recent Supreme Court Scandal, would bankroll West's candidacy, in much the same way that Texas oilmen donated to Ralph Nader in 2000.

I always support the wealthy wasting their money, as Nader did not spoil the race back in 2000 and West’s lazy behind won’t even be on most state ballots thanks to his soft dropout.

West hasn’t spoiled anyone and hasn’t harmed anyone aside from Jill Stein and the many green party donors who have been shaken lately. That and the few delusional Demon rats who drank the koolaid.
The Green party is set to be back on the ballot in Arizona, their only major victory in the past five years.

Ye gives up

Goes to show that meme candidates need a baseline of organizational and personal stability to get off the ground. Also see Joe Exotic's nonexistent Democratic primary campaign, and John McAfee's candidacy for the Libertarian nomination.

Vermin Supreme’s team is unique in that regard for how organized it is.

[AltWorlder]

Vermin Supreme is probably equivalent to Lord Buckethead, except he's an actual individual and not a character whose mantle is passed from person to person- he's a professional meme candidate, not some jumped-up celeb trying to coast on name recognition alone

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

No labels now on the ballot in 12 states

https://ballot-access.org/2023/10/24/no-labels-gains-ballot-access-in-mississippi-its-12th-state/

[Open Source Intelligence]

Libertarians' Arkansas ballot access drive finished and submitted to the state.

The Alliance Party have setup an affiliate in Mississippi.

Not presidential, but the Philadelphia Democratic Party have started evicting its members include some ward chairs that openly endorsed Working Families Party candidates to At-Large City Council seats. I think the idiosyncrasy is there are 7 at-large seats but parties are only allowed to put up 5 nominees.

https://billypenn.com/2023/10/23/philadelphia-democrats-endorse-working-families-party-candidates/

[PSOL]

Peter Daou's operation is done. Mission Accomplished?

SC won't hear ballot access case

It is quite clear that we are in a nadir of third party electoral movements. The ballot access restrictions , court fees that are for naught, and general degeneration affect third party politics does on people's assets. Any close attempts get punted with the wind as there is no attempt to create and maintain a parallel apparatus to get the word out to people.

[AltWorlder]

Wonder if Perot’s runs was the high water mark; the duopoly will never let a third party independent on the debate stage again

[The Mikado]

Wonder if Perot’s runs was the high water mark; the duopoly will never let a third party independent on the debate stage again

Gary Johnson 2016 had the potential and shot to. Most media coverage of a 3rd party candidate since Nader 2000, a ticket with real gravitas, a real opening amid widespread discontent.

And then Johnson absolutely crapped the bed with an embarrassing half-assed campaign that made him look like a lightweight pothead.

I still think the ultimate third party potential would be a self-funding Mark Cuban run on the Libertarian ballot line. The Libertarian Party is the only one with the electoral machinery to be credible and a famous wealthy candidate paired with that party could be formidable.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Wonder if Perot’s runs was the high water mark; the duopoly will never let a third party independent on the debate stage again

Gary Johnson 2016 had the potential and shot to. Most media coverage of a 3rd party candidate since Nader 2000, a ticket with real gravitas, a real opening amid widespread discontent.

And then Johnson absolutely crapped the bed with an embarrassing half-assed campaign that made him look like a lightweight pothead.

I still think the ultimate third party potential would be a self-funding Mark Cuban run on the Libertarian ballot line. The Libertarian Party is the only one with the electoral machinery to be credible and a famous wealthy candidate paired with that party could be formidable.

Would the Libertarians of 2023 take it? Cuban is just a "fiscal conservative, social liberal" whereas the Libertarian Party has been taken over by Mises sickos.

[AltWorlder]

Would the Libertarians of 2023 take it? Cuban is just a "fiscal conservative, social liberal" whereas the Libertarian Party has been taken over by Mises sickos.

The optimal time for that Libertarian run would have been in 2004 or so (Ron Paul rEVOLution was in '08) and paired Cuban up with either John Stossel or Drew Carey for maximal celebrity name recognition.

[AltWorlder]

Looking at the non-party independent third party presidential candidates, a small yet celebrity-laden section of this article which hilariously both RFK Jr. and Cornel West are lumped under:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_and_independent_candidates_for_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election#Other_parties_and_independents

Taylor Marshall is the only personality I don't recognize, looks like he made noises about it in May but hasn't done anything beyond that. Feels like a Larry Elder-esque "guy who is totally in it for Trump pretending to run for president for the publicity." Also, it's out of date if Ye has really dropped out.

[Yelnoc]

Does RFK JR have ballot access anywhere yet? I know he's raised a lot for an independent candidate, but it's pretty late in the game, especially given how high the ballot access hurdle is in so many states.

[PSOL]

May be a favorite son in some swing states with no labels

Just as full of sense as their existence

[beaver2.0]

Here's an excerpt from the Vanity Fair article the favorite son idea was proposed in.

But there is another option. That is: No Labels makes good on its pledge to ensure that Trump is not elected. By denying him victory in one or more of the key swing states. By putting a Republican No Labels candidate on the ballot, but only in those pivotal states. Imagine a favorite son or daughter approach. In other words: backing a willing Republican who is particularly popular in a battleground state. For example: Pat McCrory in North Carolina. Doug Ducey in Arizona. Brian Kemp in Georgia. Mitt Romney in Nevada. Paul Ryan in Wisconsin. Tom Ridge in Pennsylvania. John Engler in Michigan. Or how about Liz Cheney in any or all of them? You know she’d be game to push a big stick into Trump’s electoral spokes.

[The Mikado]

Does RFK JR have ballot access anywhere yet? I know he's raised a lot for an independent candidate, but it's pretty late in the game, especially given how high the ballot access hurdle is in so many states.

The first deadline isn't until January (Utah) and the next one after that is in May. A lot of states' signature gathering periods haven't started yet.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Here's an excerpt from the Vanity Fair article the favorite son idea was proposed in.

But there is another option. That is: No Labels makes good on its pledge to ensure that Trump is not elected. By denying him victory in one or more of the key swing states. By putting a Republican No Labels candidate on the ballot, but only in those pivotal states. Imagine a favorite son or daughter approach. In other words: backing a willing Republican who is particularly popular in a battleground state. For example: Pat McCrory in North Carolina. Doug Ducey in Arizona. Brian Kemp in Georgia. Mitt Romney in Nevada. Paul Ryan in Wisconsin. Tom Ridge in Pennsylvania. John Engler in Michigan. Or how about Liz Cheney in any or all of them? You know she’d be game to push a big stick into Trump’s electoral spokes.

The average American voter is smarter than all of the people at No Labels, and would realize that this strategy is a ridiculous way to waste a vote.

[The Mikado]

Here's an excerpt from the Vanity Fair article the favorite son idea was proposed in.

But there is another option. That is: No Labels makes good on its pledge to ensure that Trump is not elected. By denying him victory in one or more of the key swing states. By putting a Republican No Labels candidate on the ballot, but only in those pivotal states. Imagine a favorite son or daughter approach. In other words: backing a willing Republican who is particularly popular in a battleground state. For example: Pat McCrory in North Carolina. Doug Ducey in Arizona. Brian Kemp in Georgia. Mitt Romney in Nevada. Paul Ryan in Wisconsin. Tom Ridge in Pennsylvania. John Engler in Michigan. Or how about Liz Cheney in any or all of them? You know she’d be game to push a big stick into Trump’s electoral spokes.

The average American voter is smarter than all of the people at No Labels, and would realize that this strategy is a ridiculous way to waste a vote.

Can't say I click Recommend on your posts very often but you're dead on here.

Sanchez knows way more about American politics than Mark McKinnon, at least. And probably doesn't wear a ridiculous hat.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

Here's an excerpt from the Vanity Fair article the favorite son idea was proposed in.

But there is another option. That is: No Labels makes good on its pledge to ensure that Trump is not elected. By denying him victory in one or more of the key swing states. By putting a Republican No Labels candidate on the ballot, but only in those pivotal states. Imagine a favorite son or daughter approach. In other words: backing a willing Republican who is particularly popular in a battleground state. For example: Pat McCrory in North Carolina. Doug Ducey in Arizona. Brian Kemp in Georgia. Mitt Romney in Nevada. Paul Ryan in Wisconsin. Tom Ridge in Pennsylvania. John Engler in Michigan. Or how about Liz Cheney in any or all of them? You know she’d be game to push a big stick into Trump’s electoral spokes.

LOL at Paul Ryan being popular in Wisconsin or Pat McCrory being popular in North Carolina.