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« on: January 20, 2021, 05:44:33 PM »
« edited: June 13, 2021, 09:10:55 PM by PSOL »

With the inauguration of a new president comes a new thread to serve as a space for future discussions of where the third party scene is heading for the next 4 years. This thread is free to serve as a space for a variety of discussion relating to such topics. The emergence and growth of new parties and perennial personalities, ballot access changes, and election predictions.

The parties and personalities listed here are in a dynamic list subject to change, but have an active national or regional presence. Do note that it is topical to talk about other parties not listed here. Due to instances where there is electoral fusionism, the list below will not include exclusively entryist and/or factional pressure groups such as the DSA, Working Families Party, Conservative Party, etc. However, this could be subject to change and discussion on these parties are acceptable in this thread.

Please be respectful for the most part; no inane thread hijackings over partisan squabbles, no whining about lesser evilism, no undeserved blaming over a party being a spoiler without sufficient evidence. If not, above all else keep it brief. Another thing I’d like to be avoided is the splintering of discussion without reason to. I still maintain that there was no reason to have an entire thread dedicated to Kanye West at that time given that it was not relevant to do so as far as the election was concerned. Now, while there is now a thread on USGD dedicated to the Libertarian Party, discussion may also happen there as well as here.

Note: Please PM me for any revisions, clarifications, or additions to the below list so as to not clutter the thread in question
Other Threads: The following threads are currently in use or have expired to previous discussion:
Minor Party and Independent Candidate Discussion—Inactive since c. 2020
Libertarian Party Inside Baseball Politics Thread—currently active

Aggregate Archives and News Sources: The following sources are great aggregates of news and archival data related to the various independents and third parties participating in our system of government at all levels:
Ballot Access News
Independent Political Report
American Third Party Report
Politics1
Our Campaigns
Marxists.org—Note: ran by one of the many Trotskyist groups which split by the minute. Still better than the user-unfriendly Ismail PDFs
Lpedia—Libertarian encyclopedia

Federal and Regional Third Parties and Independent Candidates: the following parties and notable independent presidential candidates will be listed in no particular order.

Legal Marijuana Now (Links to Freedom Gazette)
Brock Pierce (’s current site)
Working Class Party
Alliance Party
Kanye West’s official site
Green Party of the United States
Libertarian Party
Socialist Alternative
Constitution Party
Party for Socialism and Liberation (includes link to Liberation News)
Serve America Movement
People’s Party
Reform Party
Alaska Independence Party
Peace and Freedom Party—see their occasional Suds, Snacks, and Socialism forum. Now on Zoom!
Aloha ʻĀina Party
Grassroots-Legalize Cannabis Party
United Utah Party

Auxiliary and other Media (pls pm me):
Black Agenda Report—Close to certain leadership in the Green Party
Alliance Podcast After Dark—main source of info for the masses
Gadfly’s Third Party Podcast—talking about fringe third parties, independent candidates, and electoral history.
Breakthrough News—The perspectives of the American Left, features content from D.C. PSL activist and Green Party candidate Eugene Puryear and DSA/PP activist Abby Martin
Reason—Libertarian editorial site, Perhaps the face of the movement
The Socialist—podcast with PSL co-founder Brian Becker
Cato Institute—the intellectual space for the Libertarian movement
The Spark—indeterminate, but possibly close, relationship with the Working Class Party
Solidarity Lobby—Christian Democratic explanations
Soviet Empire—Workers of the World, Unite (for rallies at least)! More seriously, a mainly Marxist-oriented forum with great history of the movement.
Uncovered Politics—Darcy Richardson’s blog
Socratic Gadfly’s blogThe GP blogger. The only GPUSA eceleb.
The Libertarian Heathen—Pro-Mises Caucus, socially Right-Libertarian blog.

Well I expect the next four years to be eventful
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2021, 02:47:48 AM »

So the Lavender Caucus of the Green Party is trying to decertify the Georgia Green Party for a statement which equates sex and gender. Apparently the complaint was filed just before Christmas, and right now we have a response.

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The Georgia GP is indeed right that this is a purge, and the Lavender Caucus is indeed in the right to move the ball forward.

Anyway, as major social media firms attempt to use the Capitol siege to also go against the Left. The Green Party is responding to it.



On censorship, the PSL is also hitting back at the attempts for some to create a Patriot Act 2.0 through them showing evidence that the recent coup was not exactly kept very secretive and that the ramifications would be jeopardizing to the public benefit

I’ve seen other parties, taking part electorally or not, be as concerned of the new laws and norms being used against their entirely legal activities. With CrimethInc and a 71k subbed Antifa Twitter page deleted without any warning, the fear legal or otherwise is quite real.

The information shared by CrimethInc and the Antifa page is 100% real and mainly zines and documentation of recent police brutality. Most activity done and sponsored by leftist parties are mainly community work and participating in peaceful protests. However, real effects have major consequences. These parties use Twitter and other pages to communicate quickly with their affiliates and members, and the US government usually puts off bogus warrants when it wants to silence people. Like, for the FRSO, they issued a warrant after protests at the RNC for “suspecting to provide material aid terrorists”. Of course, after being infiltrated and having members’ homes be ransacked there was no evidence of such a thing. Ended up with a lengthy legal battle that rendered the FRSO unable to function for ten years.

BAN just posted their monthly newsletter. Highlights include:

The new way for states to suppress third parties is banning out-of-state circulators, the people getting the signatures. How this is even something that can be banned and under what grounds? I am unaware, but it’s probably bulls••• considering basically all who do this are volunteers.

This along with more reaches the apex of the immense lawsuit backlog third parties have to do to get on the ballot. Minimum membership quotas, vote quotas, fundraising objectives and now this just adds up the time spent not doing party objectives. That only in Russia is there a comparable state suppressing third parties like this is something to feel shame about.

Alliance has gained affiliates in Mississippi and Connecticut. What’s unique about the party is that not only can it build electoral alliances, but it can surpass them by quickly merging them. Reminds me of a small scale attempt of what the Reform Party was able to do, or the Black Panther Party in its solidarity work.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2021, 04:36:27 PM »

Any updates on this Patriot Party thing the Trump supporters have been talking about?
It’s registered in Mississippi as of this writing
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2021, 10:10:56 PM »

There has been changing state laws presented and passed on the Straight-Ticket device, a way for voters to just quickly indicate what party a person wants to vote for instead of marking differing offices individually. While states such as Oklahoma having Democratic legislators pushing bills to repeal it while in Iowa there are efforts by Republican state legislators to reinstate it.

Virginia has made its ballot access laws much more fair by lowering the number of petitions to 2,000 from 51,000 signatures. A major victory for fair ballot access.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2021, 12:12:33 AM »

Arkansas has tightened the signature requirements to 5,000. Why it even matters idk in Arkansas, maybe it’s just hatred of democracy

The people’s party is trying to establish itself in California.

P&F and the Cali Green Party means that getting 68,000 signatures, much less votes, in a crowded state really shows how cocky they are. Why they aren’t focusing on the Northeast, I’m not sure. Tbh, I don’t even know what angle Nina Turner is going for considering this party is apparently ran on grifters and faux-leftist support from the wrestler and Jimmy Dore (sigh, I’ve come to this realization quite late).

Unlike, say, the centrist parties appearing to relevance in 2020, the Left actually has intersecting lanes from disgruntled Lefty voters. I fully expect to see blood being drawn in campaigns against another. It’s kind of already happening with major figures in the third party space like SG throwing mud on the PP. I fully expect for PSL to unironically start using social imperialist and for the Greens to claim their Democratic wreckers.

God, let the blood be drawn for the good of the left:
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2021, 12:44:14 PM »

So the People’s Party is getting beat from all angles.

First Our Revolution LA disaffiliated from them due to alleged undemocratic leadership and structure, among other things. Whether true or not is not much of a concern, this is a big blow to the organization.

Hawkins, in his latest interview, has said that they called the Green Party too “socialistic” to work with. Considering the Green Party is still a mixed class party of social Democratic beatniks, this isn’t a good look. What’s also not good is the words coming straight from the PP’s Twitter where they state they are “progressive populists” and not “Leftists”



This is indeed what I was waiting for.

Anyway, let’s talk about working class solidarity. The Mountain Party has joined several local DSA chapters in the formation of an Appalachian People’s Front, a solidarity network to aid those suffering in this pandemic, those whom have been driven to poverty by a government who has abandoned them. I believe this is the second most major collaboration between the DSA and the Green Party since Franca Muller Paz’s candidacy for local office in Baltimore.

In California, the car caravan for single payer has been endorsed and participated by the local chapters of the Peace and Freedom Party, PSL, the DSA, SAlt, and People’s Party. Very cool indeed.

The Alliance Party has grown into several chapters as has been shown here. There’s still a lot of local Reform chapters to go though.
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The difference between the Twitter of the ASP and their website is quite evident. The ASP website has an entire section on their blog dedicated against abortion and the views of the Left faction aren’t as prominent. Meanwhile social conservatism is downplayed and piled on with memes so as to seemingly decrease their importance. Gotta hand it to them for their good PR moves.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2021, 11:52:31 AM »

The ASP has quite an odd view of First Amendment freedoms that disagree with the official court position as of now



They also have negative views upon legitimize career options, options helping people to bond together.



The Green Party meanwhile tells it straight


A direct jab at the personality outfit that shall not be named. Furthermore, this I suppose is the “official” response against the Green Party being called “ossified” in its leadership

Current PP state chapters


👀 Colorado is perhaps the closest thing to a swing state that they’ve got registered for 👀
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2021, 05:16:04 PM »

Colorado is perhaps the closest thing to a swing state that they’ve got registered for

I'd argue it's Maine now. Not only are they trending opposite directions, but Republicans have already started performing better in Maine than in Colorado. If a serious People's Party/Green Party candidate runs in 2024 they could make it close there, but I don't expect it to flip until 2028.
With the ranked choice voting, I’d extend that to 2032.

Still, the ability for the People’s Party to actually take significant votes from the Democratic Party and not from the more likely Green base and disinterested nonvoters has yet to be actually seen. Exactly what is the voter type for this party to even have? What niche does it even have that other parties don’t fill?
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2021, 06:30:40 PM »

Colorado is perhaps the closest thing to a swing state that they’ve got registered for

I'd argue it's Maine now. Not only are they trending opposite directions, but Republicans have already started performing better in Maine than in Colorado. If a serious People's Party/Green Party candidate runs in 2024 they could make it close there, but I don't expect it to flip until 2028.
With the ranked choice voting, I’d extend that to 2032.

Still, the ability for the People’s Party to actually take significant votes from the Democratic Party and not from the more likely Green base and disinterested nonvoters has yet to be actually seen. Exactly what is the voter type for this party to even have? What niche does it even have that other parties don’t fill?

I have a feeling that the People’s Party and Green Party will merge, or that the Green Party will become obsolete. Their platforms are almost identical. Maybe it would be a good idea to start over with a fresh label because of the reputation the Green Party has (anti-vaxxers etc). People just want a reputable progressive party.
That ship sailed a long time ago.

The People’s Party has criticized the Green Party far too much and the antivaxxers and loons have been purged since Hawkins won the primary last year. Meanwhile strains of the conspiracy vote left for the People’s Party in the first place (Jesse V) and their syncophants (Jimmy Dore). Furthermore, the TERFs in Georgia are also getting purged.

Look in the post just above the one I posted today, they won’t join the Green Party because they are too “socialistic” for their tastes.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2021, 08:35:29 PM »

Who is running the MPP as far as getting it organized, nationally?
Well there’s these people

The people of note are Dr. Cornel West, Jimmy Dore, Rose McGowan, and Susan Sarandon. A few are DSA folks, Bernie delegates, and disaffected progressives.

Looking through their endorsers meanwhile is even more eye-raising; Chris Hedges, the Poor People Campaign, trade unionists at Amazon and even AFL-CIO heads, Oliver Stone, Podcaster Abby Martin of Empire Files, and Cindy Sheehan. Well this is a much more diverse organization than I thought it was.

The fact that one endorser is a 2020 presidential candidate that got a few thousand in Maryland makes it seem that they are really trying to build a movement off the ground. Still, it’s long term stability is yet to be seen.

Can I just say that now I’m kind of warming up to the idea of their being multiple parties contesting the elections, all capturing different niches and competing and coexisting among one another. Further maturation and possible consolidation and collaboration will usher in each centralized movement doing its own thing thus lowering the risks and baggage involved of just one party or organization. Competition will thus separate the stragglers from the superb models of organization. That will lead to a point where further consolidation and snatching of the niches. Which means that the growth of the DSA, FRSO, PSL+PFP, PP, SAlt, and Working Class party are indeed good things. It means the restructuring of the Green Party is indeed a good thing. It means the increased agitation and disappointment in new unionists and rank-and-file to radical alternatives like the IWW and socialism is indeed a good thing. This isn’t cutting a piece of a small and stagnant pie but of immense proliferation of a solid, decentralized movement that’s much, much harder for the Feds to clamp down on.

The snowball can only get bigger downhill.


Maintaining this along with the ANSWER coalition, #StopTheEvictions, among other campaigns instead of just running for elections shows the power of the vanguard model. It also shows why the party has  no elected officials, as they don’t have enough resources yet.

Very reminiscent of the work SAlt does in Seattle, albeit more empowered with actual representation, and very much like the #Fightfor15 that SAlt helped propagate. Other popular fronts and activities include the Trio making up the National Alliance Against Police Repression, and the Union startup work and support the IWW does.


This party is such a meme

I expect to see a lot of attempts at establishing political ground in easy-access states like Tennessee along with Alaska due to RCV. We will see soon I suppose which among Colorado, Illinois, or whatever state will have the longest ballot.

I want some feedback here on the state of this thread. Y’all good on participation now? You think the focus I give along with the list on post 1 is fine? I ask because I’ve thought about adding SPUSA and PCUSA on the list considering the age and fusionism of the former and growth of the latter. With 1k members each and being fairly limited regionally, are they relevant enough?
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2021, 12:12:04 PM »

Greens attempting to get party status in Kansas, first attempt to do so for any third party since 2011 with Americans Elect

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2021, 10:08:50 PM »
« Edited: February 20, 2021, 10:12:26 PM by PSOL »

So with the only competent person in the Ye campaign gone and West’s life in tatters, I think it’s safe to say that Ye 2024 won’t be better ran.

Hearing from people both IRL and online about the PSL, it’s clear that the problems paid out in the exposé was very much limited to the Chicago branch. Unsurprising, given the lack of Democratic centralism in the party due to their Trotskyist tendencies. With there literally being a stipulation and procedure for whole branches to leave, somehow such an ideologically uniform organization is less centralized than the IWW and the Green Party right now. This is not good for their long term survival and growth.

Honestly this is much the case of many parties bending the rules or not being centralized across the Left. WWP wasn’t, and it’s apparently a problem with the FRSO in their Miami branch at least back in 2010. In the long term, the allegations won’t harm them as there’s no smoking gun, hard evidence, or number of cases to drag them down as a nationwide party. Much like how Tara Reade allegations, itself of purported dubious credibility, didn’t sink Biden. Anyway


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States across the nation continue to assault democracy, with Iowa being the latest in putting unfair petition requirements.

The ASP is simping for Co-ops and small businesses yet again



Given they support economic decentralization, this is something the left (Liberation theologians)and right(Jacksonian and tradcath) factions can get behind.


Somehow this makes them much more charming then cringey, again showcasing their adept usage of social media.

Well it’s solidarity time



Ohio now has a PP chapter
I’m surprised that they aren’t focusing on easy-access and RCV states like Illinois, Alaska, New Hampshire, and the Southwest.

So I’m asking you all again on what the verdict should be for the party list on the first post. Do you guys mind if I add SPUSA and PCUSA? Are they too irrelevant for the time being?

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2021, 12:16:17 PM »

I feel parties (or really any politics-based organization) should be much more cautious in their use of Twitter, as in every single tweet that a party puts out should be vetted and voted on by their national board. When you look at the tweets of the American Solidarity Party, is this the views of the American Solidarity Party as a whole or just the person that controls their Twitter account? For example, no national party's tweet (be it the American Solidarity Party or the Republicans or Democrats) should ever publish a tweet contrary to the party's platform or bylaws.
Well someone’s a buzzkill. Lighten up a little man and enjoy the memes, this strategy helps attract young people to the party.

For the record, nothing on there breaks their bylaws.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2021, 01:58:19 PM »

I’m not sure their Twitter feed harms the party much at all, in fact it’s kind of charming seeing memes and more mature speech being apart of one post.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2021, 12:56:08 PM »


This is the sort of action actually delivering the goods to the people and building dual power often not present among third parties. Truly base building stuff. The fact that we’ve seen a proliferation of popular fronts, mutual aid, and solidarity networks shows that there is work being done after being all but nonexistant during the early and mid-90s and 2000s. They can’t keep the people down and divided anymore.



This move further entrenches the PSL into not just Indiana, but the wider Midwest. The Midwest usually contains numerous tendencies and parties that aren’t present in other regions; notably hosting the headquarters of the RCP, IWW, and FRSO—with recent activity of SAlt and the Working Class Party after the implosion of the ISO. The Pacific Northwest is well known as the hub of Trotskyist and Anarchist activity, taking that spot from the Midwest and Northeast, with Antifa all the rage and the most documented IWW strikes in recent memory. It is in these revisionist differing lines that explains why the Green Party is so active in the coasts and PNV in particular. The East Coast, aside from Food Not Bombs in New York and whatever the parties in Vermont are, is associated with more standard presence of Marxist-Leninist parties. They are the homes of most Marxist theoreticians and historians in the US, like Michael Parenti. The PSL is main party there, but movements by the FRSO and now PCUSA indicate competition. I’m almost sure a significant amount of the Anarchist scene there got absolved into the Green Party. Adherents to Mao Zedong Thought are the most isolated into pockets in Florida (although they are mostly feds, like seriously run from any small group espousing it ), Chicago, and the Bay Area. The Deep South is particularly hollow, only having aged social clubs of CPUSA and SWP trade unionists, although the FRSO and PSL have made inroads. The DSA is probably the only socialist organization with presence in almost every state and medium-sized in the United States, following the Green Party who were historically absent in the Mountain Range, the plain states, and the deep South.

The ASP continues to offer its critical stance on the validity of certain occupation



The AZ state court has yet to provide any reason why it kicked off Kanye from the ballot. Like the actions in Montana and Minnesota, the courts work to rig elections against the people by robbing them of choice, even when there is no clear evidence that the inclusion of multiple parties on the ballot actually is a spoiler, a concept itself thrown around as a nonexistent excuse to quash dissent. The voter base of Ye—young, white disaffected suburbanites—are a prime R demographics in these races compared to democrats, but that does not matter to the program.

This is the democrats parallel to RTW.

Outside of growth in the mountain range, the constitution party has done very little bar from whining about COVID restrictions, the democrats, and the Great Reset—a new liberal attempt to salvage current class relations.

Their Twitter has been down since December 2020 and their website barely uploaded with substantial information other than the tirades of a few party insiders. Wikipedia says they have 26 seats in local government, down from 75 before the update. I repeat my statements that the constitution party is dead and its corpse is now just a vehicle for the other Don

The lack of news and social media activity are also present in the regionalist parties in Hawai’i and Alaska. Both are made up primarily of boomers so that’s unsurprising.

SAM has an active website

WCP doesn’t, and they are nonexistant on social media
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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2021, 12:59:51 AM »

Major Legal Marijuana Now candidate will find MAGA party, will attempt to dual card membership
? Well I hope the Legalize Cannabis party takes advantage of the rightward turn of the party or the MAGA entryists get purged. Still, how a party can fall so low as high as this one, the vibes now are wack.

Apparently there are other MAGA/Patriot Parties in the making.

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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2021, 01:10:29 PM »

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This move further entrenches the PSL into not just Indiana, but the wider Midwest.

Ballot access in Indiana requires 2% of the vote in the Secretary of State race. So who do they have running in 2022 and where do they stand currently on petitioning his or her way onto the ballot?
Do they count write-ins?

Outside of joint endorsements in California and the US presidential race, the party doesn’t run anyone else bar one time where Eugene Puryear ran in D.C. I’m pretty sure they don’t even have ballot access outside of California on the P&F label.
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2021, 07:34:20 PM »

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This move further entrenches the PSL into not just Indiana, but the wider Midwest.

Ballot access in Indiana requires 2% of the vote in the Secretary of State race. So who do they have running in 2022 and where do they stand currently on petitioning his or her way onto the ballot?
Do they count write-ins?

Yes. The Greens recently have had a write-in candidate for Secretary of State. Good luck getting a write-in up to 2% however.

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Outside of joint endorsements in California and the US presidential race, the party doesn’t run anyone else bar one time where Eugene Puryear ran in D.C. I’m pretty sure they don’t even have ballot access outside of California on the P&F label.

My take is if you're a third party and you don't have ballot access, what worth are you? At that point all you are is an activist group with no ballot presence, or you can run in nonpartisan races, but in Indiana that's limited to School Boards.
One needs to understand just how small and scattered the PSL, and organizations like SAlt, truly are. The party's membership are primarily young, precarious millennials cash-strapped and the PSL generally goes all out in its campaigns–electoral or otherwise. At minimum, there's probably like ~30 members max, cadre or otherwise. The party doesn't run for anything unless it is sure to do well, which is why it only runs joint candidates in California in recent memory. Similar story with SAlt, outside of a few attempts in Minneapolis and Michigan, the bulk of electioneering is done in its stronghold of Seattle, specifically Kshama Sawant's council seat. Same could be said about the Working class Party, whose connected organization(s) and activist affiliations existed for a little less than two decades before it went public and started running candidates, doing surprisingly well.

Having said that, I truly believe that the PSL will probably try and run for local races in the near future outside of California. It is only a matter of when. 2022 is a long time in politics.
SAM Party (which is largely a paper centrist organization in New York and Connecticut) is being funded by Charles Wall.  https://www.axios.com/tobacco-third-party-serve-america-movement-2c285be1-805c-423d-bd2d-4b4b16397728.html?force_isolation=true

SWP petitioning to get on the New Jersey governor ballot this year. They need 800 signatures.
The high profile participation in both New York and now Florida surely costs a ton to finance. I'm sure they must have a niche to fill in disaffected suburbanite Neocons and #moderate voters, but going from running in New York to get disaffected Democrats and Republicans in AOC's district to a gubernatorial run in Florida is a bit excessive. I mean, it will survive for as long as their donors have the money willing to spend, but unlike the Alliance I doubt it lasts long after their main donor gets bored and/or deeply concerned about the "sharp turn left" by the Democratic Party in 2024.

Somehow, after numerous ideological changes and major splits in its heyday, the SWP continues as a cohesive group good at getting votes. At this rate, I would not be surprised if it outlasts all of its splinters (WWP, Socialist Action, Solidarity) and most of the splinters' splinters.
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2021, 03:12:11 PM »

The Alliance Party has released their March Newsletter. The main news is that they are trying to craft female leadership through the newly established Women’s Council and their work to use the Nationbuilder canvassing app.

LMN is most likely going to be on the Nebraska ballot after working with the SoS to review the signatures.
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2021, 01:46:30 AM »

The Socialist Party offers its criticism on the People’s Party, entryism


Essentially they are critiquing them on their purported undemocratic structure, lack of a coherent ideology, and naïvety on electoral processes and barriers in general—nothing that hasn’t been said before. What is striking is twofold; including a statement from “dual card” carrierHawkins along with its statement against entryism. I suppose they mean entryism into the DSA, PP, or Democratic Party.

Still, it’s interesting that the Green Party is apparently socialistic enough to work with in their view.

Lmao, apparently the two DSA chapters who endorsed the Green ticket were harassed in true Democratic Party fashion.

P&F does not support recalling Newsom. Lame

I’m beginning to reminisce into what could have been beforehand when it wasn’t revealed to be dry spells. Remember when the Transhumanist party was a thing before Zervan left? What a waste of possibility. Same with Mark Charles’s campaign going nowhere and Dario Hunter fading into the dust.

To people watching this sort of thing for a longer while, what was the most disappointing attempts? What had potential only to fade away fast?
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2021, 03:47:13 PM »

WV Independent Party sets convention date amidst uncertainty of its ballot access status. They managed to get 1% of the vote through write-ins

The Mountain Party supports having one of its close allies get unionized. The IWW has Hawkins as a member. Ultimately this isn’t something far-reaching or new given that the National staff themselves are unionized by the IWW.

The recent Atlanta shooting has not been unnoticed. A section of the activist wing of the People’s Party joins the PSL and other activist groups in calling for a National Day of Action on the 27th. The PSL has a full list of where it’s gonna take place on their Twitter and on ANSWER’s website

Other groups


Apparently there was a shake up with the Alliance Party




Brock Pierce hasn’t really done much since November aside from shilling crypto. Most likely his campaign isn’t going to be active until 2023

The Constitution NC starts on April 23d
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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2021, 12:38:08 PM »



The ASP twitter feed is a land of contrasts.


They are a Christian party, and that doesn’t make opposing racist rampages and opposing LGBT rights mutually exclusive.

In other news, the mechanism used to kick the Green Party off the ballot in Montana has been eliminated
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2021, 04:19:41 PM »

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This is the three remaining members that were charged. A great morale booster to the party as it conducts another protest campaign. From the official news, it’s clear they are pleased

BAN released their monthly newsletter. The main news is the New York wipeout of all third parties—SAM, Green, Libertarian, and Independent Party—under their Ballot Access Law along with the Kansas totals in. Apparently Hawkins got 700 votes, outdoing the other write-in candidates.

They also compiled their data from the 2000s. Aside from the Libertarians greatly surpassing the Green Party in membership since 2004; the rolls for Constitution, Reform, and Natural Law have tanked. Other minor parties have also went up as well along with independent voters

Yeah so I’m pretty sure HR1 is going to cripple the last of the third parties who don’t have dues. Mainly paper organizations only present statewide, but it could also cripple parties who don’t get enough money to qualify for each state. The ballot access and expansion of mainly smaller organizations like the Alliance Party, ASP, PSL, and SAM while also shedding off the dead weight still there on the Green Party is seriously going to impede things.
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2021, 09:56:08 AM »

They also compiled their data from the 2000s. Aside from the Libertarians greatly surpassing the Green Party in membership since 2004; the rolls for Constitution, Reform, and Natural Law have tanked. Other minor parties have also went up as well along with independent voters

Yeah from 2004 to now the Libertarians have slightly more than doubled. Still scale-wise we're talking 0.27% to 0.57%. It's been a pretty steady incline since 2008 when they bottomed out this century at 0.24%.

With the new Alaska laws they really need to boost their membership there. I think they can get there if they work at it.
Well this takes away the fact that membership in third parties are usually more active than the larger parties, largely being pushed by inertia
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Yeah so I’m pretty sure HR1 is going to cripple the last of the third parties who don’t have dues. Mainly paper organizations only present statewide, but it could also cripple parties who don’t get enough money to qualify for each state. The ballot access and expansion of mainly smaller organizations like the Alliance Party, ASP, PSL, and SAM while also shedding off the dead weight still there on the Green Party is seriously going to impede things.

To be fair, I think the minor parties should have membership and dues. It gets rid of the entryists, the chancers, the hacks, and requires a very small amount of buy-in before you can have a voice. I know for the Indiana Libertarians that "buy-in" is $25 annually at a minimum. People that want to be politically engaged yet cry poverty will spend more than that on craft beer in a month or two.
Would you be willing on sharing your experiences of these folks near you?
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2021, 12:04:05 PM »
« Edited: March 30, 2021, 12:31:14 PM by PSOL »




So the PSL is now running people outside of California now with a candidate in the Urbana-Champaign area. It’s going to be interesting if they can get the local DSA to endorse them.

Get ready for Kshama Sawant 2.0

I decided to go back to Atlas’s past and dug up this interesting thread
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