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« Reply #900 on: December 10, 2020, 10:10:38 AM »
« edited: December 10, 2020, 10:15:29 AM by roxas11 »

Warnock apparently compared Benjamin Netanyahu to George Wallace.

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After a Senate candidate in Georgia backtracked on his harsh criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians Tuesday, another clip surfaced in which he used controversial language to describe Mideast tensions.


In a 2016 sermon, the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat, criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opposition to a two-state solution for peace in the region.

He called Netanyahu’s stance “tantamount to saying occupation today, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever,” a line similar to former Alabama Gov. George Wallace’s call for, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever.”


He went on to argue that there could be no democracy in Israel without a two-state solution because of the disenfranchisement of Arab voters.

Warlock comments here are Tame compared to what other Dems have said about Netanyahu
 

Bernie Sanders called him  “a reactionary racist,”
Beto O'Rourke also called him a "racist" and an obstacle to peace.

Warnock comments is nothing compared to this yet fox is acting like its the worst thing any Dem has ever said about Netanyahu lol
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« Reply #901 on: December 10, 2020, 10:12:48 AM »

Warnock apparently compared Benjamin Netanyahu to George Wallace.

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After a Senate candidate in Georgia backtracked on his harsh criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians Tuesday, another clip surfaced in which he used controversial language to describe Mideast tensions.


In a 2016 sermon, the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat, criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opposition to a two-state solution for peace in the region.

He called Netanyahu’s stance “tantamount to saying occupation today, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever,” a line similar to former Alabama Gov. George Wallace’s call for, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever.”


He went on to argue that there could be no democracy in Israel without a two-state solution because of the disenfranchisement of Arab voters.
Opposition to Bibi is a partisan Dem thing. And this was due at least partially to conspicious choices from Bibi himself (anyone remember the speech he gave before Congress, cutting out Obama and co)?
This is hardly even news.
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« Reply #902 on: December 10, 2020, 10:37:20 AM »

Warnock apparently compared Benjamin Netanyahu to George Wallace.

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After a Senate candidate in Georgia backtracked on his harsh criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians Tuesday, another clip surfaced in which he used controversial language to describe Mideast tensions.


In a 2016 sermon, the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat, criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opposition to a two-state solution for peace in the region.

He called Netanyahu’s stance “tantamount to saying occupation today, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever,” a line similar to former Alabama Gov. George Wallace’s call for, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever.”


He went on to argue that there could be no democracy in Israel without a two-state solution because of the disenfranchisement of Arab voters.

To be honest with you, even the relatively moderate American Jewish people I know generally hate Bibi.
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« Reply #903 on: December 10, 2020, 10:58:24 AM »

Warnock apparently compared Benjamin Netanyahu to George Wallace.

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After a Senate candidate in Georgia backtracked on his harsh criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians Tuesday, another clip surfaced in which he used controversial language to describe Mideast tensions.


In a 2016 sermon, the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat, criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opposition to a two-state solution for peace in the region.

He called Netanyahu’s stance “tantamount to saying occupation today, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever,” a line similar to former Alabama Gov. George Wallace’s call for, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever.”


He went on to argue that there could be no democracy in Israel without a two-state solution because of the disenfranchisement of Arab voters.

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« Reply #904 on: December 10, 2020, 11:01:22 AM »

Warnock apparently compared Benjamin Netanyahu to George Wallace.

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After a Senate candidate in Georgia backtracked on his harsh criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians Tuesday, another clip surfaced in which he used controversial language to describe Mideast tensions.


In a 2016 sermon, the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat, criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opposition to a two-state solution for peace in the region.

He called Netanyahu’s stance “tantamount to saying occupation today, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever,” a line similar to former Alabama Gov. George Wallace’s call for, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever.”


He went on to argue that there could be no democracy in Israel without a two-state solution because of the disenfranchisement of Arab voters.

I mean, I obviously disagree about Arab voters being disenfranchised and think it's pretty absurd to argue that Israel is not a democracy at this point in time.  It's disappointing that Warnock buys into that sort of nonsense, but I'm not surprised.  The man is no friend to Jewish-Americans and certainly not to Jewish Israelis.  

At the same time, Loeffler is making a point of constantly coddling frigging QAnon (i.e. repackaged blood libel) adherents, so she's far worse when it comes to anti-Semitism.  I'll happily take the guy who is anti-Israel and has had a few low key questionable moments over the person who is proactively pandering 24-7 to folks who believe in repackaged blood libel.  And I'd hope every other Jewish-American would have the good sense to do the same.  

As for the first part, I've been comparing Netanyahu to George Wallace since at least 2012, so the idea that doing so is somehow anti-Semitic is pretty silly.  It's admittedly a bit of a superficial comparison given that Netanyahu is far more conservative than Wallace on many issues, but they're both soulless politicians who deliberately use(d) racist demagoguery to acquire political power despite knowing better.  

Warnock apparently compared Benjamin Netanyahu to George Wallace.

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After a Senate candidate in Georgia backtracked on his harsh criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians Tuesday, another clip surfaced in which he used controversial language to describe Mideast tensions.


In a 2016 sermon, the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat, criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opposition to a two-state solution for peace in the region.

He called Netanyahu’s stance “tantamount to saying occupation today, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever,” a line similar to former Alabama Gov. George Wallace’s call for, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever.”


He went on to argue that there could be no democracy in Israel without a two-state solution because of the disenfranchisement of Arab voters.

Warlock comments here are Tame compared to what other Dems have said about Netanyahu
 

Bernie Sanders called him  “a reactionary racist,”
Beto O'Rourke also called him a "racist" and an obstacle to peace.

Warnock comments is nothing compared to this yet fox is acting like its the worst thing any Dem has ever said about Netanyahu lol

The comments by Bernie and Beto that you posted were both spot on, especially Beto referring to Netanyahu as an obstacle to peace. 
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« Reply #905 on: December 10, 2020, 11:46:48 AM »

Doesn't seem like it was posted - Biden will be in GA on Tuesday
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« Reply #906 on: December 10, 2020, 11:49:24 AM »

Warnock apparently compared Benjamin Netanyahu to George Wallace.

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After a Senate candidate in Georgia backtracked on his harsh criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians Tuesday, another clip surfaced in which he used controversial language to describe Mideast tensions.


In a 2016 sermon, the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat, criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opposition to a two-state solution for peace in the region.

He called Netanyahu’s stance “tantamount to saying occupation today, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever,” a line similar to former Alabama Gov. George Wallace’s call for, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever.”


He went on to argue that there could be no democracy in Israel without a two-state solution because of the disenfranchisement of Arab voters.

To be honest with you, even the relatively moderate American Jewish people I know generally hate Bibi.

Am relatively moderate American Jewish person, can confirm: do hate Bibi.
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« Reply #907 on: December 10, 2020, 12:07:18 PM »

Warnock apparently compared Benjamin Netanyahu to George Wallace.

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After a Senate candidate in Georgia backtracked on his harsh criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians Tuesday, another clip surfaced in which he used controversial language to describe Mideast tensions.


In a 2016 sermon, the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat, criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opposition to a two-state solution for peace in the region.

He called Netanyahu’s stance “tantamount to saying occupation today, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever,” a line similar to former Alabama Gov. George Wallace’s call for, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever.”


He went on to argue that there could be no democracy in Israel without a two-state solution because of the disenfranchisement of Arab voters.

To be honest with you, even the relatively moderate American Jewish people I know generally hate Bibi.

Am relatively moderate American Jewish person, can confirm: do hate Bibi.
Benjamin Netanyahu is a sick and demented individual and probably one of the worst world leaders currently in office (alongside with Donald Trump, Mohammed bin Salman, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, Jair Bolsonaro, Rodrigo Duerte, Viktor Orbán, and Mateusz Morawiecki).
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« Reply #908 on: December 10, 2020, 12:42:50 PM »

Warnock apparently compared Benjamin Netanyahu to George Wallace.

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After a Senate candidate in Georgia backtracked on his harsh criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians Tuesday, another clip surfaced in which he used controversial language to describe Mideast tensions.


In a 2016 sermon, the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat, criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opposition to a two-state solution for peace in the region.

He called Netanyahu’s stance “tantamount to saying occupation today, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever,” a line similar to former Alabama Gov. George Wallace’s call for, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever.”


He went on to argue that there could be no democracy in Israel without a two-state solution because of the disenfranchisement of Arab voters.

He's 100% right. I hope he stands by this position.
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« Reply #909 on: December 10, 2020, 12:50:33 PM »

Mail ballot requests continue to skew non-white as more come in

Special election mail ballot requests: 1,167,996 (53.6% white/31.2% black/5.3% asian or hispanic/9.1% other)

GE mail ballot requests: 1,782,580 (51.2% white/31.4% black/6.6% asian or hispanic/10.8% other)
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« Reply #910 on: December 10, 2020, 01:46:17 PM »

Mail ballot requests continue to skew non-white as more come in

Special election mail ballot requests: 1,167,996 (53.6% white/31.2% black/5.3% asian or hispanic/9.1% other)

GE mail ballot requests: 1,782,580 (51.2% white/31.4% black/6.6% asian or hispanic/10.8% other)

By "skew non-white" do you mean that the white % is going down as compared to what it was a few days ago? Overall it is still higher than the GE mail ballot requests, are you suggesting that once all the requests are in the White % will be lower or that it is getting lower?
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« Reply #911 on: December 10, 2020, 03:19:04 PM »

Today's update

Total of 154,176 ballots accepted so far (1.32M in the General)
Total of 1.167M ballots requested so far (1.782M in the General)

If each county breaks the same way the did in the GE Senate race, the breakdown would be:

Dems - 91,857
GOP - 62,319
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« Reply #912 on: December 10, 2020, 04:02:30 PM »

Mail ballot requests continue to skew non-white as more come in

Special election mail ballot requests: 1,167,996 (53.6% white/31.2% black/5.3% asian or hispanic/9.1% other)

GE mail ballot requests: 1,782,580 (51.2% white/31.4% black/6.6% asian or hispanic/10.8% other)

By "skew non-white" do you mean that the white % is going down as compared to what it was a few days ago? Overall it is still higher than the GE mail ballot requests, are you suggesting that once all the requests are in the White % will be lower or that it is getting lower?

I think it used to be around 56%; not really enough data to suggests a trend but let’s see if the white % continues to go down
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« Reply #913 on: December 10, 2020, 04:22:05 PM »

Mail ballot requests continue to skew non-white as more come in

Special election mail ballot requests: 1,167,996 (53.6% white/31.2% black/5.3% asian or hispanic/9.1% other)

GE mail ballot requests: 1,782,580 (51.2% white/31.4% black/6.6% asian or hispanic/10.8% other)

By "skew non-white" do you mean that the white % is going down as compared to what it was a few days ago? Overall it is still higher than the GE mail ballot requests, are you suggesting that once all the requests are in the White % will be lower or that it is getting lower?

I think it used to be around 56%; not really enough data to suggests a trend but let’s see if the white % continues to go down

If it used to be 56% and is trending down, then that is a very promising trend. Also (if that is the case) it is very promising that the African American share is almost the same as in the General Election.
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« Reply #914 on: December 10, 2020, 04:42:18 PM »

Mail ballot requests continue to skew non-white as more come in

Special election mail ballot requests: 1,167,996 (53.6% white/31.2% black/5.3% asian or hispanic/9.1% other)

GE mail ballot requests: 1,782,580 (51.2% white/31.4% black/6.6% asian or hispanic/10.8% other)

By "skew non-white" do you mean that the white % is going down as compared to what it was a few days ago? Overall it is still higher than the GE mail ballot requests, are you suggesting that once all the requests are in the White % will be lower or that it is getting lower?

I think it used to be around 56%; not really enough data to suggests a trend but let’s see if the white % continues to go down

If it used to be 56% and is trending down, then that is a very promising trend. Also (if that is the case) it is very promising that the African American share is almost the same as in the General Election.

The problem is at least Ossoff and probably Warnock too start behind based on the general election results.
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« Reply #915 on: December 10, 2020, 04:51:39 PM »

My gut says Loeffler loses and Perdue wins, But I have been paying almost no attention to this so I'm probably way off.  Squinting
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« Reply #916 on: December 10, 2020, 05:02:22 PM »

My gut says Loeffler loses and Perdue wins, But I have been paying almost no attention to this so I'm probably way off.  Squinting

I think the reverse is more likely tbh, if only b/c I think you're more likely to see shy Loeffler voters than shy Perdue voters.
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« Reply #917 on: December 10, 2020, 05:46:32 PM »

Mail ballot requests continue to skew non-white as more come in

Special election mail ballot requests: 1,167,996 (53.6% white/31.2% black/5.3% asian or hispanic/9.1% other)

GE mail ballot requests: 1,782,580 (51.2% white/31.4% black/6.6% asian or hispanic/10.8% other)

By "skew non-white" do you mean that the white % is going down as compared to what it was a few days ago? Overall it is still higher than the GE mail ballot requests, are you suggesting that once all the requests are in the White % will be lower or that it is getting lower?

The number of white voters will likely continue to drop (as a %).  Partially because 325,000 ballots were automatically mailed out on day 1 (to voters 65+ who voted in the primary & checked an auto-send box).  These primary voters are likely to have a higher white %. And this group probably makes of many of the 75,000 voters in the general election who did not return ballots (b/c despite being automatically sent a ballot, they wanted to vote in person).
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« Reply #918 on: December 10, 2020, 05:49:17 PM »

Mail ballot requests continue to skew non-white as more come in

Special election mail ballot requests: 1,167,996 (53.6% white/31.2% black/5.3% asian or hispanic/9.1% other)

GE mail ballot requests: 1,782,580 (51.2% white/31.4% black/6.6% asian or hispanic/10.8% other)

Do you know if the Total % of 65+ who have requested ballots, continued to decrease?
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« Reply #919 on: December 10, 2020, 05:54:30 PM »

My gut says Loeffler loses and Perdue wins, But I have been paying almost no attention to this so I'm probably way off.  Squinting

I think the reverse is more likely tbh, if only b/c I think you're more likely to see shy Loeffler voters than shy Perdue voters.
Shy voters could affect the polling but no the end result but we'll see how the runoffs go
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« Reply #920 on: December 10, 2020, 07:06:35 PM »

Mail ballot requests continue to skew non-white as more come in

Special election mail ballot requests: 1,167,996 (53.6% white/31.2% black/5.3% asian or hispanic/9.1% other)

GE mail ballot requests: 1,782,580 (51.2% white/31.4% black/6.6% asian or hispanic/10.8% other)

By "skew non-white" do you mean that the white % is going down as compared to what it was a few days ago? Overall it is still higher than the GE mail ballot requests, are you suggesting that once all the requests are in the White % will be lower or that it is getting lower?

Yes and yes. The white share has been going down as more and more requests come in. The GE election has about 600K more requests and is only 2% whiter, so I think if we end up with anywhere close to that # ultimately, the White % will be lower than the GE. Or at least it's trending that way.
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« Reply #921 on: December 10, 2020, 07:13:04 PM »

Mail ballot requests continue to skew non-white as more come in

Special election mail ballot requests: 1,167,996 (53.6% white/31.2% black/5.3% asian or hispanic/9.1% other)

GE mail ballot requests: 1,782,580 (51.2% white/31.4% black/6.6% asian or hispanic/10.8% other)

By "skew non-white" do you mean that the white % is going down as compared to what it was a few days ago? Overall it is still higher than the GE mail ballot requests, are you suggesting that once all the requests are in the White % will be lower or that it is getting lower?

I think it used to be around 56%; not really enough data to suggests a trend but let’s see if the white % continues to go down

If it used to be 56% and is trending down, then that is a very promising trend. Also (if that is the case) it is very promising that the African American share is almost the same as in the General Election.

The problem is at least Ossoff and probably Warnock too start behind based on the general election results.

Not necessarily, b/c we don't know if it's the same pool of voters. The white electorate for all we know could be a much more college educated pool than the GE right now. Or it could be less. We just don't know
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« Reply #922 on: December 10, 2020, 10:31:19 PM »

I wish all states did voter registration by party, it makes analysing the early vote easier, in NC and FL and AZ we knew what was going to happen because of the early vote this year, in GA we can only analyse the early vote by race which has limitations.
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« Reply #923 on: December 10, 2020, 10:39:56 PM »

I wish all states did voter registration by party, it makes analysing the early vote easier, in NC and FL and AZ we knew what was going to happen because of the early vote this year, in GA we can only analyse the early vote by race which has limitations.

It is definitely tough indeed to analyse the early vote.  We can analyze it, though.
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« Reply #924 on: December 11, 2020, 12:31:07 AM »

I wish all states did voter registration by party, it makes analysing the early vote easier, in NC and FL and AZ we knew what was going to happen because of the early vote this year, in GA we can only analyse the early vote by race which has limitations.
I would argue this is better for Democracy. There’s a reason we don’t count votes until Election Day - no one’s vote should be impacted by the choices of others who chose to vote before them.
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