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« Reply #450 on: October 09, 2020, 06:50:04 PM »


Deplorable authoritarians.

And with that, Trump keeps Wisconsin.

Exactly nothing has changed in Wisconsin. Wisconsin always counts votes up until the polls close and nothing received afterward.

You guys are shrieking for no reason. Biden's campaign will plan around what has been the norm for years.

Yes it's been the norm, but this is the first election with a massive partisan gap in VBM...
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« Reply #451 on: October 09, 2020, 09:23:15 PM »


Deplorable authoritarians.

And with that, Trump keeps Wisconsin.

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« Reply #452 on: October 09, 2020, 09:54:23 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2020, 10:36:54 PM by Arch »


Deplorable authoritarians.

And with that, Trump keeps Wisconsin.

Exactly nothing has changed in Wisconsin. Wisconsin always counts votes up until the polls close and nothing received afterward.

You guys are shrieking for no reason. Biden's campaign will plan around what has been the norm for years.

Yes it's been the norm, but this is the first election with a massive partisan gap in VBM...

Yes, and guess what, Democrats are sending in their ballots extremely early for that reason.

Within a week, the Biden campaign will switch messaging to focus on early voting instead of VBM. They're on top of this. I get texts 2-3 a day, and I already voted.

FYI. Bernie's network is actively helping Joe's campaign, something that never happened in 2016 in Wisconsin.
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« Reply #453 on: October 09, 2020, 11:18:09 PM »

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« Reply #454 on: October 10, 2020, 02:38:01 AM »


Very very nice. Let's see how long it lasts.
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« Reply #455 on: October 10, 2020, 11:55:19 AM »


Very very nice. Let's see how long it lasts.

This one has a decent chance of surviving at the appeals level, because it was Abbott who ordered a change to procedures < 1 month before the election, and the federal court is merely restoring the status quo.
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« Reply #456 on: October 10, 2020, 04:09:44 PM »



I feel like this shouldn’t have been an issue in the first place. Just let the counties have as many drop boxes as they want!
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« Reply #457 on: October 10, 2020, 04:29:55 PM »


Very very nice. Let's see how long it lasts.

GOP has already appealed it to the 5th circuit. 

The Republican gameplay: steal the courts --> have courts steal elections --> steal more court seats --> never answer to voters.
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« Reply #458 on: October 10, 2020, 05:25:17 PM »


Very very nice. Let's see how long it lasts.

GOP has already appealed it to the 5th circuit. 

The Republican gameplay: steal the courts --> have courts steal elections --> steal more court seats --> never answer to voters.

That’s Alito right? I imagine Dems will appeal it.
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« Reply #459 on: October 11, 2020, 05:36:52 PM »

Wisconsin has already hit 20% of 2016 turnout and almost 50% of all ballots requested have already been returned so I think it's safe to say that Democrats aren't waiting until the end to mail in their ballots nor is the Biden campaign encouraging that.
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« Reply #460 on: October 11, 2020, 05:46:01 PM »

Wisconsin has already hit 20% of 2016 turnout and almost 50% of all ballots requested have already been returned so I think it's safe to say that Democrats aren't waiting until the end to mail in their ballots nor is the Biden campaign encouraging that.

Also I imagine in a week or so they will start making a push to tell folks not to put their ballots in the mail.
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« Reply #461 on: October 11, 2020, 06:27:21 PM »

Wisconsin has already hit 20% of 2016 turnout and almost 50% of all ballots requested have already been returned so I think it's safe to say that Democrats aren't waiting until the end to mail in their ballots nor is the Biden campaign encouraging that.

Also I imagine in a week or so they will start making a push to tell folks not to put their ballots in the mail.

Yep. They will shift focus to Early Vote as soon as it opens.
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« Reply #462 on: October 12, 2020, 09:46:23 AM »

I don't think this will matter much but good news.

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« Reply #463 on: October 12, 2020, 07:21:20 PM »


Actually it would be...preclearance just means Bill Barr's DOJ would have to approve it. Gee I wonder what they would do.
His July order would have had to been pre-cleared also.

Under Texas Election Code 86.006 a voted mail ballot may be returned by:

(1) Mail;
(2) Common or Contract Carrier;
(3) In person to the office of the early voting clerk on election day. The voter must present a valid ID.

The July order permitted the return to happen at any time.

Some county clerks decided to open multiple locations, leave them unattended. It would be like throwing the ballot in a dumpster that someone had spray-painted with "Orange Man Bad"
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« Reply #464 on: October 12, 2020, 09:20:24 PM »

California orders GOP to remove unofficial ballot boxes

https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-fresno-elections-california-santa-ana-be803bfe99f5eb35e17a6ee56315deb0

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) —

California’s chief elections official on Monday ordered Republicans to remove unofficial ballot drop boxes from churches, gun shops and other locations and Attorney General Xavier Becerra warned those behind the “vote tampering” could face prosecution.

Republican refused, saying they are taking advantage of California’s liberal ballot collection law that allows anyone to collect ballots from voters and deliver them to county election offices.

“As of right now, we’re going to continue our ballot harvesting program,” California Republican Party spokesman Hector Barajas said.
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« Reply #465 on: October 12, 2020, 09:55:11 PM »

COVID on its own will surppress the vote - skewed Democrat.
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« Reply #466 on: October 13, 2020, 12:49:56 AM »

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« Reply #467 on: October 13, 2020, 12:53:58 AM »

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« Reply #468 on: October 13, 2020, 12:54:49 AM »


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Of f***ing course.
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« Reply #469 on: October 13, 2020, 01:02:31 AM »

TX and GA need to be wrestled away from the claws of the Republicans in 3 weeks.

Republicans are the enemy of the people.

Should Biden and Dems win big, the first thing they need to do is pack the Supreme Court and pass a significant election reform package, with automatic voter registration, same day registration, a national election results page, a precinct for every 400 voters within walking distance, expansion of mail-in and drop off locations, de-politification of the postal service and proper funding and a lot more.
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« Reply #470 on: October 13, 2020, 01:09:35 AM »

Waiting to hear from Monstro on why this is actually good for Biden
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« Reply #471 on: October 13, 2020, 01:11:16 AM »

inb4 Monstro says this won’t matter for some reason
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« Reply #472 on: October 13, 2020, 01:13:21 AM »

just wow. what hacks in the judiciary
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« Reply #473 on: October 13, 2020, 01:58:48 AM »

The courts are the worst component of The United States governemnt by far.
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« Reply #474 on: October 13, 2020, 03:14:21 AM »

TX and GA need to be wrestled away from the claws of the Republicans in 3 weeks.

Republicans are the enemy of the people.

Should Biden and Dems win big, the first thing they need to do is pack the Supreme Court and pass a significant election reform package, with automatic voter registration, same day registration, a national election results page, a precinct for every 400 voters within walking distance, expansion of mail-in and drop off locations, de-politification of the postal service and proper funding and a lot more.

I agree with your fundamental statement regarding TX & GA and voter suppression, when it comes to equal access to voting.

In terms of your self-quote from a few hours previously, I generally agree when it comes passing a significant election reform package, including AVR, Same Day Registration, expansion of mail-in and drop-off locations, and maintaining the integrity of the USPS when it comes to delivery ballots to the Citizens equally in every State, County, & Municipality, as well as ensuring that there are not inequalities when it comes to ballots getting delivered in a timely fashion to local election authorities.

That being said:

1.) Oregon has AVR (Meaning within a Statewide context,  that every American Citizen who has any contact with the DMV, is automatically registered to vote, unless they choose to "opt-out".

If they "opt-in" they do not need select a Party Registration, but can certainly choose to do so, and if they don't select a party registration, are automatically registered as a "Non-Party Affiliated" voter.

2.) Oregon is also a Universal VbM State (Humbly speaking as an Oregonian, the first in the Nation to adopt VbM), so basically your ballot gets sent to your mailing address on file.

3.) We also have official mail drop-ballot boxes located conveniently throughout places both City and Rural Areas, so that folks don't have to worry about having a postage stamp floating around in their pockets.

4.) Part of your statement is perhaps somewhat irrelevant when it comes to enhancing universal voting, such as "packing the Supreme Court", which to many might be considered a separate issue from the whole Voting Rights scene.  After all in many cases these are State and District Courts, rather than the Supreme Court making these decisions.

5.) "A precinct for every 400 voters within walking distance" sounds a bit ludicrous, if I am reading your statement at face value.

There are many places within the United States, both within City / Suburbs / Rurals, where this is simply not feasible.

This would create a massive expansion of precincts within the US the likes of which we have never seen, and we would end up with 10,000s of additional precincts with simply 1-2 total voters.

Perhaps you are suggesting that population density should allow for increased numbers of in-person voting precincts?

I think that is the direction you're going here, although (400) voters for every precinct within walking district had me scratching my head, since population density levels, even in larger urban/suburban parts of America are much less so than in many European Countries.

6.) I do have some concerns regarding the "national elections result reporting page", since quite frankly one of the strengths of the American electoral results systems when it comes to foreign hacking, etc has been the decentralized nature of our election reporting systems.

I spent at least (20) Hours going through precinct results from OH in the '04 GE, when I was a younger guy, because a roommate of mine was claiming the voter-hacking from Diebold systems was the reason that Kerry lost in '04!

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