Minor Party and Independent General Election Discussion

[PSOL]

What happened to the Justice Party?

It fizzled away in a whimper

[PSOL]

Constitution Party: It Is Time to Vote Strategically and to Make Our Voice Heard

[The Mikado]

Constitution Party: It Is Time to Vote Strategically and to Make Our Voice Heard

The Constitution Party was doomed no matter what (is there really any appetite for "to the right of Donald Trump?"), but picking an absolute buffoon like Blankenship who like a third of Constitution Party affiliates are too embarrassed to even put on their ballots was a huge strategic error that threatens the long term existence of the party.

[PSOL]

Constitution Party: It Is Time to Vote Strategically and to Make Our Voice Heard

The Constitution Party was doomed no matter what (is there really any appetite for "to the right of Donald Trump?"), but picking an absolute buffoon like Blankenship who like a third of Constitution Party affiliates are too embarrassed to even put on their ballots was a huge strategic error that threatens the long term existence of the party.

It’s basically dead already, they lost most of their local offices and their major state affiliates are leaving to preserve face.

Like, they picked a candidate too similar to Donald Trump and now they need to pay for that.

[BaldEagle1991]

Constitution Party might do well if we had 3 Democratic Presidents in a row

[PSOL]

https://www.leftvoice.org/can-the-green-party-be-a-vehicle-for-socialists-a-european-perspective

https://www.leftvoice.org/guest-post-a-socialists-case-for-howie-hawkins

[StateBoiler]

Constitution Party: It Is Time to Vote Strategically and to Make Our Voice Heard

The Constitution Party was doomed no matter what (is there really any appetite for "to the right of Donald Trump?"), but picking an absolute buffoon like Blankenship who like a third of Constitution Party affiliates are too embarrassed to even put on their ballots was a huge strategic error that threatens the long term existence of the party.

Well it takes away all their oxygen. Think William Jennings Bryan and the Populist Party of the late 1800s. If the Democrats nominated Sanders for example, you'd see fewer votes for all the left-wing parties.

[AltWorlder]

Even before Blankenship, the Constitution Party was headed for irrelevance:

God and Country: 36 hours with the dying embers of the Constitution Party

[StateBoiler]

Even before Blankenship, the Constitution Party was headed for irrelevance:

God and Country: 36 hours with the dying embers of the Constitution Party

I see that's an MTV article. MTV could've easily written that title for their own demise.

[PSOL]

Even before Blankenship, the Constitution Party was headed for irrelevance:

God and Country: 36 hours with the dying embers of the Constitution Party

I see that's an MTV article. MTV could've easily written that title for their own demise.

I mean, are they wrong? There is no life or care in the party right now, and they haven’t influenced diddly squat.

At least the Boomers in the Green Party managed to get the Green New Deal in the popular lexicon and garner more than a million votes. What positive outlooks or fresh ideas does the constitution Party even have To improve in the coming years?

[StateBoiler]

Even before Blankenship, the Constitution Party was headed for irrelevance:

God and Country: 36 hours with the dying embers of the Constitution Party

I see that's an MTV article. MTV could've easily written that title for their own demise.

I mean, are they wrong? There is no life or care in the party right now, and they haven’t influenced diddly squat.

At least the Boomers in the Green Party managed to get the Green New Deal in the popular lexicon and garner more than a million votes. What positive outlooks or fresh ideas does the constitution Party even have To improve in the coming years?

It's the 3rd of the 3 political third parties that could be considered truly national, but it's always been a weak 3rd. There's going to be some party that exists to the Republicans' right. Is it the CP or something else? The CP has a big head start unless all its state affiliates choose to latch onto the same new entity.

[AltWorlder]

Even before Blankenship, the Constitution Party was headed for irrelevance:

God and Country: 36 hours with the dying embers of the Constitution Party

I see that's an MTV article. MTV could've easily written that title for their own demise.

It appears that their website has branched out to a contributor model, much like other moribund dinosaur brands. Who cares. The essay is personal and detailed and contemplative, and captures how rudderless the CP organization is at this point.

What positive outlooks or fresh ideas does the constitution Party even have To improve in the coming years?

I feel like the represent last year's culture/political war- for the '90s. Their theocon aspects were taken up by the Bush administration and their paleocon tendencies (protectionism and isolationism) have been taken up by Trump.

[StateBoiler]

Even before Blankenship, the Constitution Party was headed for irrelevance:

God and Country: 36 hours with the dying embers of the Constitution Party

I see that's an MTV article. MTV could've easily written that title for their own demise.

It appears that their website has branched out to a contributor model, much like other moribund dinosaur brands. Who cares. The essay is personal and detailed and contemplative, and captures how rudderless the CP organization is at this point.

What positive outlooks or fresh ideas does the constitution Party even have To improve in the coming years?

I feel like the represent last year's culture/political war- for the '90s. Their theocon aspects were taken up by the Bush administration and their paleocon tendencies (protectionism and isolationism) have been taken up by Trump.

Their best bet for improving their political position depends on a post-Trump Republican Party tacking leftward.

[Turbo Flame]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

[AltWorlder]

What positive outlooks or fresh ideas does the constitution Party even have To improve in the coming years?

Their best bet for improving their political position depends on a post-Trump Republican Party tacking leftward.

Ironically, the alt-right/neoreactionary movements have elements of paleoconservatism. Someone should probably write a report on the ideological lineage, but both involve American disengagement and self-renewal, within an ultra-traditional (and so, American for some) definition that's exclusionary. The alt-right has a lot of online and grassroots energy but that hasn't really led to political power, just some Republicans like Trump taking on some of their policies and mostly just rhetoric.

The Constitution Party, with their Pat Buchanan origin and their ballot access and decades of organization, could've pivoted to appeal to those angry nationalist online youth and racist anonymous IT coders, but lol they were never going to do that because the people in charge of the CP don't know that these other strains of conservatism exist, nor how to run a modern political party. Which is frankly for the best for American politics, that these hard-right groups don't know how electoral power works.

[PSOL]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

Eh, I come and go. But it’s split between him and the other flawed major leftist ticket or abstention.

[GlobeSoc]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

Eh, I come and go. But it’s split between him and the other flawed major leftist ticket or abstention.

who are you referencing here?

[PSOL]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

Eh, I come and go. But it’s split between him and the other flawed major leftist ticket or abstention.

who are you referencing here?

The Meme Vanguard party

[GlobeSoc]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

Eh, I come and go. But it’s split between him and the other flawed major leftist ticket or abstention.

who are you referencing here?

The Meme Vanguard party

psl?

[PSOL]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

Eh, I come and go. But it’s split between him and the other flawed major leftist ticket or abstention.

who are you referencing here?

The Meme Vanguard party

psl?

Yes, that is the only meme vanguard party that is notable in participating in federal elections

[GlobeSoc]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

Eh, I come and go. But it’s split between him and the other flawed major leftist ticket or abstention.

who are you referencing here?

The Meme Vanguard party

psl?

Yes, that is the only meme vanguard party that is notable in participating in federal elections

i'd say vote psl just because a strong green party would promote new age weirdness in ways that the psl wouldn't. antivax leftism taking off would be a bad time, for instance

[PSOL]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

Eh, I come and go. But it’s split between him and the other flawed major leftist ticket or abstention.

who are you referencing here?

The Meme Vanguard party

psl?

Yes, that is the only meme vanguard party that is notable in participating in federal elections

i'd say vote psl just because a strong green party would promote new age weirdness in ways that the psl wouldn't. antivax leftism taking off would be a bad time, for instance

Apparently Hawkins doesn’t have an Antivaxx platform, and a lot of those loons left, but the remaining boomers are an issue.

[GlobeSoc]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

Eh, I come and go. But it’s split between him and the other flawed major leftist ticket or abstention.

who are you referencing here?

The Meme Vanguard party

psl?

Yes, that is the only meme vanguard party that is notable in participating in federal elections

i'd say vote psl just because a strong green party would promote new age weirdness in ways that the psl wouldn't. antivax leftism taking off would be a bad time, for instance

Apparently Hawkins doesn’t have an Antivaxx platform, and a lot of those loons left, but the remaining boomers are an issue.

still, the psl doesn't have any association with those people whatsoever. also the psl increasing in strength to noticeable levels would be funny and it would generate some interesting reactions from people

[AltWorlder]

I'm voting Howie Hawkins as a first time voter. Who's with me?

Eh, I come and go. But it’s split between him and the other flawed major leftist ticket or abstention.

who are you referencing here?

The Meme Vanguard party

psl?

Yes, that is the only meme vanguard party that is notable in participating in federal elections

i'd say vote psl just because a strong green party would promote new age weirdness in ways that the psl wouldn't. antivax leftism taking off would be a bad time, for instance

We already have Marianne Williamson, old-school New Age is back in the news, baby! Even if the Natural Law Party is now just a state affiliate of the Rocky de la Fuente machine- Alliance Party branch.

[BaldEagle1991]

Has there ever been an attempt to get a "major third party" debate on cable? I know the networks would never do it, ditto cable news due to the Democrats and Republicans in those organizations not wanting it. (John Stossel moderating the Libertarian Party debate is still a little crazy to me as far as his respectability choosing to talk to Vermin Supreme.) Thinking the USA's, TNT's, FX's of the world. I imagine there's been some on C-SPAN.

Re PSL, any more news get out regarding the replacement of Peltier with Freeman other than the official story?

I know RT (Russian state owned external channel) did it in 2012 and 2016. Not so sure if any 3rd party candidate would agree to that channel now.