Minor Party and Independent General Election Discussion

[Torrain]

Any word on the Green Party lawsuit in Wisconsin? Last I heard, the commission deadlocked, along party lines (3 GOP in favour, 3 Dems in opposition to including Hawkins on the ballot).

Is this expected to go anywhere - is Hawkins likely/unlikely to get onto the ballot?

[Indy Texas]

Do Libertarians and Greens not feel like the gamesmanship by the major parties regarding letting them on the ballot is proof that they do nothing but serve as spoilers?

What is the Green Party explanation for why Republicans so badly want them on the ballot?

[Ferguson97]

Do Libertarians and Greens not feel like the gamesmanship by the major parties regarding letting them on the ballot is proof that they do nothing but serve as spoilers?

What is the Green Party explanation for why Republicans so badly want them on the ballot?

They don't mind serving as spoilers

[StateBoiler]

You'll have to Wade thru the Kanye thread if you wish to read the stories as I'm not relinking him here.  The people Kanye have hired to gather signatures have generated a fair amount of negative press for their various actions, probably making it modestly harder for other signature gatherers.


And while it's not the greatest source, or maybe for Kanye it is, TMZ is saying Kanye is spending up to 500,000 to try to get on AZ ballot.

https://amp.tmz.com/2020/08/26/kanye-west-presidential-campaign-arizona-ballot-blitz/

It's documented the Libertarians spent more than $100k to get on the Oklahoma ballot in 2016. ($30k of that was a grant from Richard Winger for the sole purpose of Oklahoma ballot access).

Again, it's a lot of money but $50k in this business is not much. How much money you think Rocky De La Fuente has spent on his two presidential campaigns counting all his bsllot access lawsuits he fought?

[StateBoiler]

Do Libertarians and Greens not feel like the gamesmanship by the major parties regarding letting them on the ballot is proof that they do nothing but serve as spoilers?

What is the Green Party explanation for why Republicans so badly want them on the ballot?

To use a Lenin quote: "the capitalists will sell us the rope we will use to hang them with".

[StateBoiler]

Winger at BAN says no statewide petition requirement, presidential or other office, has succeeded since Covid crisis began if it required  5000 signatures.

Kansas: no petition succeeded, only attempt was Hawkins who did not have enough signatures. Only people on balllot are R, D, Libertarian.

Ditto Nebraska.

Ditto Massachusetts for president or Senator. No one even tried (10k signatures). Parties on ballot are R, D, Libertarian, Green.

West Virginia: no petition succeeded, Kanye West had a petition but only had sbout half the 15k requirement. Parties on ballot are R, D, Libertarian, and Mountain (Green Party state affiliate).

The South Carolina Constitution Party informed the Secretary of State they were not fielding a presidential candidate this year. They have til Labor Day to change their mind.

Utah: 4 petitions met the 1000 signatures requirement. Gloria La Riva, Brock Pierce, Kanye West, and Joe McHugh.

Washington state ballot access:

The Washington Secretary of State has been validating presidential petitions, which require 1,000 signatures. Whether the Constitution Party, the Alliance Party, and the American Solidarity Party have enough valid signatures depends on whether voters may sign for more than one presidential candidate. The three groups have enough valid signatures if it is legal for voters to sign more than one such petition.

[PSOL]

I’m surprised the Green Party or the PSL couldn’t make it on the ballot in Washington, considering their  presence in the East. Exactly what are the requirements to get on the ballot anyway?

[Tender Branson]

Jorgensen/Cohen (LIB) now on the ballot in 49 states + DC.

Their NH petitions have been verified by town clerks.

Only RI is missing for a clean sweep (deadline: Sept. 4th).

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Do Libertarians and Greens not feel like the gamesmanship by the major parties regarding letting them on the ballot is proof that they do nothing but serve as spoilers?

What is the Green Party explanation for why Republicans so badly want them on the ballot?

They don't mind serving as spoilers

Democrats spoiled themselves by running candidates to the right of Eisenhower.

[StateBoiler]

Do Libertarians and Greens not feel like the gamesmanship by the major parties regarding letting them on the ballot is proof that they do nothing but serve as spoilers?

What is the Green Party explanation for why Republicans so badly want them on the ballot?

They don't mind serving as spoilers

Democrats spoiled themselves by running candidates to the right of Eisenhower.

I roll my eyes at Democrats that don't get the Nader 2000 run. It was a left-wing reaction at being pissed off with the DLC/Clinton/Gore wing of the party, which is in vogue at the moment in the Democratic Party. It didn't coalesce inside the Democratic Party until Howard Dean's presidential campaign in 2004 pushed the whole party left.

In 2004 when I was in college, Nader came to talk. Nader's not my cup of tea and I never voted for him, but I went and listened to him talk because how often do you get to see a presidential candidate. The whole time Nader talked there was this guy in the back, I can still see him. About 50 years old, white, had a gray mustache, never blinked, just scowled at Nader the whole time holding up a sign above his head saying "Re-elect Bush. Vote for Nader." The first audience question Nader took which was probably a plant was "what do you say to people that say voting for you hurts Kerry and helps Bush win?" Nader responded, "Vote for Kerry".

For 2016, well, you should've nominated a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. If Clinton had won and Trump lost, Republicans the last 4 years would've been having this same argument about Gary Johnson and Evan McMullin.

I just realized I could take the original question and flip it into just as valid a point:

What is the Bernie Sanders campaign explanation for why Republicans so badly want him on the ballot?

[StateBoiler]

BAN:

This year, independent presidential candidates in Hawaii need 4,347 signatures. The petition was due August 5. No one submitted such a petition.

The qualified parties in Hawaii are Democratic, Republican, Libertarian, Green, Constitution, Aloha Aina, and American Shopping. Parties have until September 4 to certify a presidential nominee.

[Minnesota Mike]

As of now Howie Hawkins is not listed on the MN SOS website as a candidate in MN.

https://candidates.sos.state.mn.us/CandidateFilingResults.aspx?county=0&municipality=0&schooldistrict=0&hospitaldistrict=0&level=1&party=0&federal=True&judicial=False&executive=True&senate=True&representative=True&title=&office=0&candidateid=0

Hawkins and the Green Party have now been added to the MN SOS website.

[StateBoiler]

On August 25, the Washington Secretary of State issued a press release, saying that four petitions for presidential ballot status are valid: those of the Libertarian, Green, Socialism & Liberation, and Socialist Workers Party.

The Alliance, American Solidarity, and Constitution Party petitions were all rejected as a state court ruled if a person signs multiple petitions, all his or her signatures become invalid.

[StateBoiler]

Any word on the Green Party lawsuit in Wisconsin? Last I heard, the commission deadlocked, along party lines (3 GOP in favour, 3 Dems in opposition to including Hawkins on the ballot).

Is this expected to go anywhere - is Hawkins likely/unlikely to get onto the ballot?

This is from the text of a comment at Independent Politcal Report. The Democratic representative on the election board wants to disqualify about half the signatures of the Green Party petition because the VP candidate Angela Walker changed address during the petition process.

Meeting of the Wisconsin Elections Commission started at 3 P.M. CDT Thursday.

Kanye West off the ballot in Wisconsin. Reasoning: failure to file in a timely manner. Could be wrong, but I believe it was a 5-1 vote.

Argument regarding trying to kick off the Green Party ticket has been going on for 2 1/2+ hours. Democratic commission chair Ann Jacobs has been hostile during the entire hearing toward campaign manager Andrea Mérida Cuéllar and Republican commissioner Robert Spindell.

Objections are regarding address of the VP nominee. Started the drive at one address and moved to another during the drive.

Spindell made some passionate remarks stating that tossing the Green Party ticket of Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker off the ballot over the address issues could make the Commission appear racist, as the VP nominee is black.

They’re splitting the motion.

Objection motions 2 & 3 passed 6-0.
 Objection motion 1 to kick the Green Party off the ballot fails 3-3, right along party lines.
 Spindell motions to place Green Party on the ballot. Commissioner Dean Knudson seconds.
 3,680 valid signatures reported.
 Motion fails 3-3, right along party lines.

Motion by Knudson to introduce testimony regarding when the VP nominee moved. Seconded by Spindell. Jacobs argues objectors would not be able to represents and that Merida cannot testify on behalf of the VP nominee. Claims objector sandbagging. Motion fails 3-3.

Knudson make a two-part motion:
 1) To certify 1,789 signatures for the Green Party ticket of Hawkins/Walker (with Walker’s Royal Street address); and
 2) Enter into the record that the Commission’s 3-3 deadlock on removal AND placement has no finding against the remaining 1,834 under objection (with Walker’s Tee Vee Road address) due to lack of sufficient evidence against them regarding when Walker moved.

Uncertain if that meant placed on the ballot with over 3,600 signatures until proven otherwise. Motion carries 6-0.

Candidates without objections to be approved to be placed on the ballot – Libertarian Party and American Solidarity Party, made by Knudson on both motion. Motion carries 6-0 on both and both party tickets will be on the ballot.

Motion to not certify Kyle Kopitke for ballot placement by Knudson. Motion carries 6-0.

Jacobs motions for the Green Party ticket to not be placed on the ballot. Uses previous 6-0 decision as part of argument to not place them on the ballot. Motion fails 3-3.

Knudson motions for the Green Party ticket to be certified on the ballot. Uses previous 6-0 decision as part of argument to place them on the ballot. Motion fails 3-3.

Issue regarding Hawkins/Walker objections may or may not end up in court due to the Commission’s lack of action.

Other business started at 8:36 PM CDT.

Can supply recorded audio per request. (Note of warning – is 5 hours, 34 minutes long.)

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Do Libertarians and Greens not feel like the gamesmanship by the major parties regarding letting them on the ballot is proof that they do nothing but serve as spoilers?

What is the Green Party explanation for why Republicans so badly want them on the ballot?

Nader would be President if Al Gore didn't steal all his votes away

[StateBoiler]

Nevada:

Nevada requires 9,608 signatures for a new party, or an independent presidential candidate. No candidate or group submitted a petition in Nevada that would have added a presidential candidate to the ballot.

The qualified parties in Nevada are Democratic, Republican, Libertarian, and Constitution. The Green Party had been planning to sue, because Nevada only requires 250 signatures for a statewide independent candidate for office other than president. The U.S. Supreme Court decision Anderson v Celebrezze says states should be more lenient for president than for other office. The proposed Nevada lawsuit would have been similar to the winning 2020 lawsuit against the District of Columbia ballot access law, which had a similar flaw (D.C.. required 250 signatures for all districtwide partisan office except president, but approximately 5,000 for president). But the Green Party was never able to find an in-state attorney in Nevada. It is possible the case will still be filed, for declaratory judgment, but it is too late to expect any court to grant injunctive relief.

Delaware:

The Delaware Election Commission has posted a candidate list, although it does not include Democrats or Republicans for office other than president, because their primaries haven’t been held yet. For president, only the nominees of the Democratic, Republican, Libertarian and Green Parties will be on the ballot, unless the nominee of the American Delta Party is able to prevail. The Independent Party is also ballot-qualified but it chose not to run anyone for president, although it is active this year and has nominees for many other offices.

No statewide independent petition has succeeded in Delaware since 1992, when Ross Perot qualified. The law requires 7,118 signatures, due July 15.

No new parties qualified in Delaware this year.

The American Delta Party is ballot-qualified and wants to run Rocky De La Fuente for president, but the party was late with some of its presidential elector paperwork. The Delaware law is discriminatory and requires qualified minor parties (which nominate by convention) to certify their nominees before the Democratic and Republican Parties are required to do so. The Delaware Elections Commission is considering whether to rule that the American Delta Party should be allowed to put its nominee on the ballot.

[PSOL]

https://mobile.twitter.com/HowieHawkins/status/1296840275759955969

It would be interesting if the Electoral poles morph into permanent alliances afterwards. I could see, if they won’t just merge into each other, Alliance and Reform could collaborate on local and national elections. While I doubt consolidation is impossible with the electoral pole backing Howie Hawkins considering that they’ve shown that they’re deadset to continue on. I mean, SPUSA made a new newsletter and SAlt has just recently achieved electoral success that propelled them to relevance.

At this point, LUP and PFP are social clubs that are willing to keep giving PSL ballot access, so they’ll probably continue to cease relevance and disband when most of the members are either dead or PFP becomes a coating for the PSL because they’re worried they won’t be popular running on their own.

[StateBoiler]

Kanye West's petition certified in Virginia.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Kanye West's petition certified in Virginia.

did they announce the rest of the ballot?

[The Mikado]

Kanye West's petition certified in Virginia.

did they announce the rest of the ballot?

Only third party candidates for President to file in VA were Jorgensen and West, and both made the ballot.

[Torrain]

Any word on North Dakota?
I believe today’s the filing deadline.

[StateBoiler]

Brock Pierce on the ballot in Wyoming. He joins R, D, Libertarian, and Constitution.

Richard Winger says Mr. Pierce is the first person ever residing in a territory to run for President. Pierce is a resident of Puerto Rico.

[soundchaser]

Brock Pierce on the ballot in Wyoming. He joins R, D, Libertarian, and Constitution.

Richard Winger says Mr. Pierce is the first person ever residing in a territory to run for President. Pierce is a resident of Puerto Rico.

Can't wait to see how many people claim he's a foreigner running in our elections because they don't understand what Puerto Rico is.

[StateBoiler]

Brock Pierce on the ballot in Wyoming. He joins R, D, Libertarian, and Constitution.

Richard Winger says Mr. Pierce is the first person ever residing in a territory to run for President. Pierce is a resident of Puerto Rico.

Can't wait to see how many people claim he's a foreigner running in our elections because they don't understand what Puerto Rico is.

Call me crazy, but I doubt he'll receive much in the way of attention from the press.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Kanye West's petition certified in Virginia.

did they announce the rest of the ballot?

Only third party candidates for Presiddnt to file in VA were Jorgensen and West, and both made the ballot.

thanks where did you find this?  was there an official announcement posted? I can't find it.