BLM riots delivering Minnesota to Trump?

[SN2903]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos.

The virus is going to last much longer in headlines than this social unrest will though. And it doesn't negate the economic damage.

It's starting to become not a big of an issue as it was. America is re opening and numbers are way down. What is your obsession with this economic thing? The economic shutdown has been instituted by democratic governors mostly.  It doesn't have anything to do with Trump. They are prolonging and making the economic damage worse.

[Tartarus Sauce]

No, civil unrest almost always hurts the incumbent administration.

[Bomster]

Bruh, this ain't helping Trump in any way. It didn't help LBJ at all either. How does this help Trump at all? Being a strongman only works when people don't know you're a phony. Trump is a phony.

[Old Man Willow]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos.

The virus is going to last much longer in headlines than this social unrest will though. And it doesn't negate the economic damage.

It's starting to become not a big of an issue as it was. America is re opening and numbers are way down. What is your obsession with this economic thing? The economic shutdown has been instituted by democratic governors mostly.  It doesn't have anything to do with Trump. They are prolonging and making the economic damage worse.

Voters attribute almost thaumaturgical powers over the economy to the incumbent President. This is like rule #1 of American presidential elections.

[SN2903]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Not about what Trump is doing he is seen as more for law and order than dems. This doesn't help dems. These riots are everywhere.

[SN2903]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos.

The virus is going to last much longer in headlines than this social unrest will though. And it doesn't negate the economic damage.

It's starting to become not a big of an issue as it was. America is re opening and numbers are way down. What is your obsession with this economic thing? The economic shutdown has been instituted by democratic governors mostly.  It doesn't have anything to do with Trump. They are prolonging and making the economic damage worse.

Voters attribute almost thaumaturgical powers over the economy to the incumbent President. This is like rule #1 of American presidential elections.

It's different this time because of how the recession was started and the circumstances

[Progressive Pessimist]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.

[SN2903]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.

What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.

[MR DARK BRANDON]

No

[Progressive Pessimist]

The Dallas protests sure made Texas more Republican in 2016.

Minnesota is not going to be won by Trump if he is doing worse nationwide than in 2016, which looks likely. It's that simple. He also may not even be able to afford going on the offensive in this general election, I'm sure he'll still try just due to ambition and ego, but it takes attention away from holding the other states he needs to win again. The Democratic floor is very solid in Minnesota, even as it tends not to be won by Democrats by more than single digits in most presidential years. It's a lean D state. It's not even clear that these protests will still be on voters' minds by the time November comes around.

All that said, I don't think it could hurt for Biden to play some defense here, just in case.

[Calthrina950]

Yeah, I am wondering how come Bush did not seem to receive a boost from the riots in 92. Did he seem unable to handle them?

It's likely because the country imploding doesn't tend to help incumbents.  

This is why the analogy with Richard Nixon doesn't work. Nixon was a challenger, not an incumbent President. The actual incumbent President, Lyndon Johnson, did not run for reelection precisely because the country was at the verge of falling apart in 1968, with the assassinations of MLK and RFK, the disastrous Democratic National Convention in Chicago, the race riots, Vietnam, and the anti-war protests.

[Progressive Pessimist]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.

What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.

Because Trump talks in very vague ways about the things he intends to accomplish. He did so in 2016 so when he discussed bringing back "law and order" amidst looting and rioting, some voters probably bought into the idea that he could somehow do something to prevent it. That's not how it works, but neither Trump nor low information know that.

It's the same thing with the economy. Trump talks about the economy as if he is the sole factor in how it's measured, and that's reflected in polls. It's not at all that simplistic, but perceptions trump (pun intended) facts and reality in politics oftentimes, and Trump constantly reinforces that.

[Ferguson97]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.

What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.

Is there literally anything that you think would hurt Trump?

[SN2903]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.

What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.

Is there literally anything that you think would hurt Trump?

Is there literally any scenario where you think Biden won't win?

[SN2903]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.

What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.

Because Trump talks in very vague ways about the things he intends to accomplish. He did so in 2016 so when he discussed bringing back "law and order" amidst looting and rioting, some voters probably bought into the idea that he could somehow do something to prevent it. That's not how it works, but neither Trump nor low information know that.

It's the same thing with the economy. Trump talks about the economy as if he is the sole factor in how it's measured, and that's reflected in polls. It's not at all that simplistic, but perceptions trump (pun intended) facts and reality in politics oftentimes, and Trump constantly reinforces that.

That is really ridiculous.  This has nothing to with Trump. It's a bad cop. Period 

[wbrocks67]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

This doesn't make any sense when Trump is literally INCITING the chaos

[SN2903]

These riots are changing the narrative Democrats wanted to run on which is obsessing over an overhyped virus

[Progressive Pessimist]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.

What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.

Because Trump talks in very vague ways about the things he intends to accomplish. He did so in 2016 so when he discussed bringing back "law and order" amidst looting and rioting, some voters probably bought into the idea that he could somehow do something to prevent it. That's not how it works, but neither Trump nor low information know that.

It's the same thing with the economy. Trump talks about the economy as if he is the sole factor in how it's measured, and that's reflected in polls. It's not at all that simplistic, but perceptions trump (pun intended) facts and reality in politics oftentimes, and Trump constantly reinforces that.

That is really ridiculous.  This has nothing to with Trump. It's a bad cop. Period 

I know, though it's about more than just this one cop. But if that's the case for Trump why should it reflect on Democrats then?

These riots are changing the narrative Democrats wanted to run on which is obsessing over an overhyped virus

And again, the virus is still going to be here even after the protests end, and Trump still won't have the economy that he wants to run with.

[Ferguson97]

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.

What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.

Because Trump talks in very vague ways about the things he intends to accomplish. He did so in 2016 so when he discussed bringing back "law and order" amidst looting and rioting, some voters probably bought into the idea that he could somehow do something to prevent it. That's not how it works, but neither Trump nor low information know that.

It's the same thing with the economy. Trump talks about the economy as if he is the sole factor in how it's measured, and that's reflected in polls. It's not at all that simplistic, but perceptions trump (pun intended) facts and reality in politics oftentimes, and Trump constantly reinforces that.

That is really ridiculous.  This has nothing to with Trump. It's a bad cop. Period 

Repeating "it was just a bad apple" every week for 400 years, failing to notice a pattern

[Non Swing Voter]

While I think there is a lot of concern trolling in this thread from Trump supporters trying to inflame people who hate Trump, I am starting to worry that these rallies are becoming more than just a flash in the pan.  I am starting to get a bit worried that if this keeps going on for weeks it's going to hurt Democrats in the suburbs.

[cg41386]

It’s not going to hurt Dems in the suburbs.

[SN2903]

It’s not going to hurt Dems in the suburbs.

We'll see. Theres rioters in dozens of cities.  This is not good. I guarantee you 90% of the country at least is against this. They're criminals not protesters. Trump is going to have to bring in the army.

[Ferguson97]

It’s not going to hurt Dems in the suburbs.

We'll see. Theres rioters in dozens of cities.  This is not good. I guarantee you 90% of the country at least is against this. They're criminals not protesters. Trump is going to have to bring in the army.

If you think 90% of the country is against this, you're out of your mind and in a bubble.

It'll be 40-40 like everything else, with 20 percent undecided

[Reaganfan]

It’s not going to hurt Dems in the suburbs.

"Hey honey, look at those rioters burning down our city because of something that happened 1,000 miles away! Let's vote for the guy who is pandering to them and offering to pay their bail."

You don't understand how midwestern white people think.