BLM riots delivering Minnesota to Trump?

[Beet]

Does anyone find it interesting that riots always ramp up during election years? The last time there was this much riot activity it was... summer 2016. Trump then went on to give his convention speech about "American Carnage" and "Law and Order." 2017, 2018, 2019 almost nothing. Biden starts to overtake Trump in the polls, then all of a sudden you have the brutal torture and murder of a black man that happens to be streamed entirely on FB Live, then you have these anonymous gangs of people showing up to bust up stores? Something doesn't add up here. It's all too convenient.

[Frodo]

Does anyone find it interesting that riots always ramp up during election years? The last time there was this much riot activity it was... summer 2016. Trump then went on to give his convention speech about "American Carnage" and "Law and Order." 2017, 2018, 2019 almost nothing. Biden starts to overtake Trump in the polls, then all of a sudden you have the brutal torture and murder of a black man that happens to be streamed entirely on FB Live, then you have these anonymous gangs of people showing up to bust up stores? Something doesn't add up here. It's all too convenient.

Are you saying 1992 and 1968 were staged? 

It's pure coincidence. 

[Progressive Pessimist]

Biden’s lead against Trump expanded to 8 points from 3 in the most recent YouGov poll.

Indeed. National polls are not supporting the notion that somehow voters are equating the riots with Biden or other Democrats. If anything, it makes Trump's America look like a country in chaos, which it is under his leadership.

[Beet]

Does anyone find it interesting that riots always ramp up during election years? The last time there was this much riot activity it was... summer 2016. Trump then went on to give his convention speech about "American Carnage" and "Law and Order." 2017, 2018, 2019 almost nothing. Biden starts to overtake Trump in the polls, then all of a sudden you have the brutal torture and murder of a black man that happens to be streamed entirely on FB Live, then you have these anonymous gangs of people showing up to bust up stores? Something doesn't add up here. It's all too convenient.

Are you saying 1992 and 1968 were staged?  

It's pure coincidence.  

Well to be fair, there were also riots in 1965, 1966, and 1967. While the Rodney King beating and recording took place in March 1991, there were no riots in response to the George Halliday video itself, which was played within days on LA TV station KTLA, only the subsequent acquittal more than a year later. At the time of the incident, George H.W. Bush was enjoying sky-high approval ratings in the wake of the Gulf War. Riots were also localized to LA. The speed of this thing going from video to riot in multiple cities is unusually fast.

[Bojack Horseman]

LMAO Minnesota wasn't flipping before and it's not flipping now.

[Sumner 1868]

Does anyone find it interesting that riots always ramp up during election years? The last time there was this much riot activity it was... summer 2016. Trump then went on to give his convention speech about "American Carnage" and "Law and Order." 2017, 2018, 2019 almost nothing. Biden starts to overtake Trump in the polls, then all of a sudden you have the brutal torture and murder of a black man that happens to be streamed entirely on FB Live, then you have these anonymous gangs of people showing up to bust up stores? Something doesn't add up here. It's all too convenient.

Are you saying 1992 and 1968 were staged?  

It's pure coincidence.  

Well to be fair, there were also riots in 1965, 1966, and 1967. While the Rodney King beating and recording took place in March 1991, there were no riots in response to the George Halliday video itself, which was played within days on LA TV station KTLA, only the subsequent acquittal more than a year later. At the time of the incident, George H.W. Bush was enjoying sky-high approval ratings in the wake of the Gulf War. Riots were also localized to LA. The speed of this thing going from video to riot in multiple cities is unusually fast.

You know, I've always been fascinated by the 1960s riots. It's baffling that the period that (with the possible exception of Reconstruction) the federal government was the most attentive toward minorities had the most race riots. And then through the 1970s, even as life for most minorities visibly grew worse, they just all stopped out of thin air. Looking back, the economic and political conditions of the 1970s on paper should have inspired more racial unrest, not less. Did 60s rioters actions shift towards the notorious crime boom of the era?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Any backing for this is somewhat anecdotal, but my observation so far is the sort of people who both voted D in 2016/2018 and yet are furious about the riots and am cheering for the police and National Guard to crush the rioters with sheer force* and fit that middle/upper class suburban demographic are also the type of #Resistance folks who believe Trump has a direct line to Putin who he takes orders from and blame him for the riots as well (which frankly isn't really unfair seeing as how Trump seems to be more upset about Twitter modding his tweets than the circumstances.) Also they're still very upset about George Floyd and police abuses, and also are blaming the violence on white supremacists.

*This also fits a ton of typical Minneapolis liberals and many non-white people for obvious reasons.

It's kind of hard to see this flipping votes to Trump since if he promised "law and order", well he's not delivering. Meanwhile blaming Biden for the riots is something I have yet to see outside the depths of Breitbart-type rags and their readers.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Does anyone find it interesting that riots always ramp up during election years? The last time there was this much riot activity it was... summer 2016. Trump then went on to give his convention speech about "American Carnage" and "Law and Order." 2017, 2018, 2019 almost nothing. Biden starts to overtake Trump in the polls, then all of a sudden you have the brutal torture and murder of a black man that happens to be streamed entirely on FB Live, then you have these anonymous gangs of people showing up to bust up stores? Something doesn't add up here. It's all too convenient.

Are you saying 1992 and 1968 were staged?  

It's pure coincidence.  

Well to be fair, there were also riots in 1965, 1966, and 1967. While the Rodney King beating and recording took place in March 1991, there were no riots in response to the George Halliday video itself, which was played within days on LA TV station KTLA, only the subsequent acquittal more than a year later. At the time of the incident, George H.W. Bush was enjoying sky-high approval ratings in the wake of the Gulf War. Riots were also localized to LA. The speed of this thing going from video to riot in multiple cities is unusually fast.

You know, I've always been fascinated by the 1960s riots. It's baffling that the period that (with the possible exception of Reconstruction) the federal government was the most attentive toward minorities had the most race riots. And then through the 1970s, even as life for most minorities visibly grew worse, they just all stopped out of thin air. Looking back, the economic and political conditions of the 1970s on paper should have inspired more racial unrest, not less. Did 60s rioters actions shift towards the notorious crime boom of the era?

You had a White backlash to the Civil Rights Movement and the 2nd Wave of Feminism in the '70s & '80s. The Reagan presidency was literally supposed to undue the "lawlessness and radical upheaval" of the the '60s & '70s. The Reagan presidency was supposed to "let it be morning again in America" and to "Make America Great Again".

From 1969 until 1993, you only had 1 Democratic president (Jimmy Carter) and that mostly happened due to the backlash to Watergate against the GOP. Also, Carter was only a 1 term president. It wasn't until the early '90s, when a new generation of Americans (Gen X) entered the political sphere and the demographics of America started to become more like present day America that things started to become more favorable for Democrats.

[Ferguson97]

Any backing for this is somewhat anecdotal, but my observation so far is the sort of people who both voted D in 2016/2018 and yet are furious about the riots and am cheering for the police and National Guard to crush the rioters with sheer force* and fit that middle/upper class suburban demographic are also the type of #Resistance folks who believe Trump has a direct line to Putin who he takes orders from and blame him for the riots as well (which frankly isn't really unfair seeing as how Trump seems to be more upset about Twitter modding his tweets than the circumstances.) Also they're still very upset about George Floyd and police abuses, and also are blaming the violence on white supremacists.

*This also fits a ton of typical Minneapolis liberals and many non-white people for obvious reasons.

It's kind of hard to see this flipping votes to Trump since if he promised "law and order", well he's not delivering. Meanwhile blaming Biden for the riots is something I have yet to see outside the depths of Breitbart-type rags and their readers.

Yeah. This situation might make certain moderates more hostile to police reform, but I don't see anyone specifically switching from Biden to Trump, or undecided to Trump over this. That doesn't make sense.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Any backing for this is somewhat anecdotal, but my observation so far is the sort of people who both voted D in 2016/2018 and yet are furious about the riots and am cheering for the police and National Guard to crush the rioters with sheer force* and fit that middle/upper class suburban demographic are also the type of #Resistance folks who believe Trump has a direct line to Putin who he takes orders from and blame him for the riots as well (which frankly isn't really unfair seeing as how Trump seems to be more upset about Twitter modding his tweets than the circumstances.) Also they're still very upset about George Floyd and police abuses, and also are blaming the violence on white supremacists.

*This also fits a ton of typical Minneapolis liberals and many non-white people for obvious reasons.

It's kind of hard to see this flipping votes to Trump since if he promised "law and order", well he's not delivering. Meanwhile blaming Biden for the riots is something I have yet to see outside the depths of Breitbart-type rags and their readers.

Yeah. This situation might make certain moderates more hostile to police reform, but I don't see anyone specifically switching from Biden to Trump, or undecided to Trump over this. That doesn't make sense.

Hell most are still in favor of police reform and if anything MORE in favor since that's what's needed to prevent more George Floyds.

[Hammy]

Does anyone find it interesting that riots always ramp up during election years? The last time there was this much riot activity it was... summer 2016. Trump then went on to give his convention speech about "American Carnage" and "Law and Order." 2017, 2018, 2019 almost nothing. Biden starts to overtake Trump in the polls, then all of a sudden you have the brutal torture and murder of a black man that happens to be streamed entirely on FB Live, then you have these anonymous gangs of people showing up to bust up stores? Something doesn't add up here. It's all too convenient.

Gasp! In a year when people are invested in changing political policy and such things are on people's minds more, people tend to react more strongly to things happening! I'm shocked that this could happen!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/31/george-floyd-death-minnesota-political-landscape-290082?fbclid=IwAR3r3gEWM1sfq-8HYBjV6bHmzrPFQ71Jz0pyj0oAvEn8efOR1IOAp2k4itc

“I do think that, particularly if this continues, the [congressional] districts like Dean Phillips’ district or Angie Craig’s district that right now I would say are relatively safe for the Democratic incumbent, could be very much in play,” he said. “Both of those districts will be decided in large part by suburban women voters, and it would be hard for me to imagine those people aren’t watching this scared, like everybody else, for their family and for their children.”

this is such a horrific take. but "dems in dissaray!!!!!" must continue somehow

Best to avoid Politico. The writers don't have any brain cells left so they feel it necessary to kill everyone else's by making them read this garbage.

[Beet]

Does anyone find it interesting that riots always ramp up during election years? The last time there was this much riot activity it was... summer 2016. Trump then went on to give his convention speech about "American Carnage" and "Law and Order." 2017, 2018, 2019 almost nothing. Biden starts to overtake Trump in the polls, then all of a sudden you have the brutal torture and murder of a black man that happens to be streamed entirely on FB Live, then you have these anonymous gangs of people showing up to bust up stores? Something doesn't add up here. It's all too convenient.

Gasp! In a year when people are invested in changing political policy and such things are on people's minds more, people tend to react more strongly to things happening! I'm shocked that this could happen!

Right people are looting Gucci in a principled effort to change political policy. /s

[Hnv1]

Is there any indication the law and order voters are swinging to any direction now?

[Person Man]

Also, this social unrest is happening clearly on Trump's watch. What is Trump going to do in 2021-25 that is different from 2017-20 to make sure this stops happening?

Beets take is interesting but individuals and small groups know how to get attention. This could have been any white supremacist cop who did this thinking there would be riots for MAGA to campaign against

At this point, its getting old. The excuses that the apologists had in 2014 and 2016 that undecideds bought aren't working anymore or are at least a much tougher sell.

[indietraveler]

The longer the riots go on the more clear it becomes that the protestors are completely separate from those destroying property or trying to take advantage.

[Tender Branson]

So far, no impact in MN ...

Microsoft/MSNs daily polling has it D+22 there.

Even with the D+10 Biden bias filter, he’s still ahead by 12.

[Hammy]

Does anyone find it interesting that riots always ramp up during election years? The last time there was this much riot activity it was... summer 2016. Trump then went on to give his convention speech about "American Carnage" and "Law and Order." 2017, 2018, 2019 almost nothing. Biden starts to overtake Trump in the polls, then all of a sudden you have the brutal torture and murder of a black man that happens to be streamed entirely on FB Live, then you have these anonymous gangs of people showing up to bust up stores? Something doesn't add up here. It's all too convenient.

Gasp! In a year when people are invested in changing political policy and such things are on people's minds more, people tend to react more strongly to things happening! I'm shocked that this could happen!

Right people are looting Gucci in a principled effort to change political policy. /s

People aren't just rioting spontaneously because one day they they're bored and decide to start breaking windows. These come out of protests, tensions are high, you'll have a few people where things boil over and then because it's going already you get opportunists who start looting. It doesn't take much common sense to see the straight line here.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I'm noticing a (sexist imo) tendency to mythologize "suburban women" and discuss them as a totum pro parte for a specific kind of casually racist middle-aged wino who's pro-choice and doesn't like seeing coarse language on the news but is also secretly pining for an excuse to go back to voting for Big Republican Daddy to lower her taxes and put the hoodlums back in their place. Of course there are plenty of women like this in middle-class suburbs, and they're some of the worst people in America along with their philistine husbands, but there are also plenty of "suburban women" these days who are downscale, racial (or sexual) minorities, or who've actually become consistently center-left over the past five years once one or a few hot-button issues lured them into Camp Non-Atlas Blue. The Romney-Clinton vote in 2016 and the "burbstomping" in 2018 weren't just the result of the parties' coalitions shifting; they were also a demonstration of how many American suburbs are simply not the same sorts of communities they were in 1968 or even 1988.

I especially don't trust any article that refers to the Iron Range, even the Trump-era Iron Range, as part of a "sea of red" to understand this.

This reminds me of how ridiculously tired the “Karen” meme has become.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Bill Clinton won Los Angeles County & California decisively in 1992 over Bush 41 despite the LA riots.

Hubert Humphrey narrowly lost Illinois but he still won Chicago easily despite the chaos of the 1968 DNC that was held in Chicago that year.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Bill Clinton won Los Angeles County & California decisively in 1992 over Bush 41 despite the LA riots.

Hubert Humphrey narrowly lost Illinois but he still won Chicago easily despite the chaos of the 1968 DNC that was held in Chicago that year.

The LA riots unquestionably hurt Bush. Nixon's "law and order" campaign worked because he wasn't the incumbent.

Trump's response to the riots is to hide in a bunker and throw a tantrum on Twitter. And he's the incumbent.

[Gass3268]

Nah

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1267518746802950145?s=20

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Nah

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1267518746802950145?s=20

This poll has been removed for some reason -- at least, from the 538 tracker, and that particular web page.

[GeneralMacArthur]

They aren't BLM riots.  Don't call them that.

BLM isn't the ones doing the riots.  Anarchists, communists, Antifa, anti-capitalist idiots, that's who's doing the riots.  They are stealing BLM's moment.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Bill Clinton won Los Angeles County & California decisively in 1992 over Bush 41 despite the LA riots.

Hubert Humphrey narrowly lost Illinois but he still won Chicago easily despite the chaos of the 1968 DNC that was held in Chicago that year.

The LA riots unquestionably hurt Bush. Nixon's "law and orser" campaign worked because he wasn't the incumbent.

Trump's response to the riots is to hide in a bunker and throw a tantrum on Twitter. And he's the incumbent.

Yeah, that was the point of my statement.

[Suburbia]

They aren't BLM riots.  Don't call them that.

BLM isn't the ones doing the riots.  Anarchists, communists, Antifa, anti-capitalist idiots, that's who's doing the riots.  They are stealing BLM's moment.

And BLM will be smeared in campaign ads in suburban and rural areas