This Once Great Movement Of Ours

[afleitch]

I would be very surprised if Rayner didn't immediately consolidate enough institutional support to drive out most other major contenders.

Malenkov thought the same.

There is a possibility that the Politburo and the Shadow Cabinet may not be entirely equivalent bodies.

That would be a huge break from tradition.

[EastAnglianLefty]

In any case, if you do want to make dumb analogies, Rayner is Zhukov rather than Malenkov.

[afleitch]

In any case, if you do want to make dumb analogies, Rayner is Zhukov rather than Malenkov.

Chill.

[CumbrianLefty]

I'm not just unsure that Rayner has it in the bag (and to be clear, this has little or nothing to do with the current almost entirely confected "council house controversy") but I'm not actually convinced that she really genuinely wants it. And btw I say this as a long term admirer.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Yes, that is a question. But to the extent that institutional support matters (and the 2015 leadership race does suggest that answer may be "Not very much") she's clearly best positioned, especially with regard to the affiliates.

[Wiswylfen]

As a long-term hater, she'd be a total disaster.

[Coldstream]

I’d love it to be Rayner, but I just think between now and the next leadership election the party will have changed too much for her. Would love to be proven wrong though.

[EastAnglianLefty]

My feeling is that if the next leadership election were tomorrow, she'd walk it. If the next leadership election is in 203x, then the winner will be whoever has been most effective as a departmental minister.

[CumbrianLefty]

If there is a vacancy in the moderately near future, then Phillipson could well be the front runner - if only because she has less of a talent for making enemies than Streeting.

(though I definitely think the chances of Reeves are overhyped by some, whenever it happens)

Beyond that - say if Starmer becomes PM and goes on until he is 70-ish - then who knows. It might well be someone who looks pretty unlikely at the moment.

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Heck, it could very well be someone who isn't an MP right now

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Incredible THIGMOO content going on in Cardiff right now. If you want to get some idea of Welsh Labour as an institution you should catch up on it. Anyway, Comrade Gething is Leader now.

[Blair]

Incredible THIGMOO content going on in Cardiff right now. If you want to get some idea of Welsh Labour as an institution you should catch up on it. Anyway, Comrade Gething is Leader now.

The funny thing about reading Pimlotts book on Wilson is how often politicians use the phrase ‘our movement’ but I now can’t hear it without laughing.

My highlight at any conference or event is when the Red Flag gets sung and the awkward back and forth as senior politicians have to remember what the latest line is on how you react to it.

[CumbrianLefty]

So, is the voting system used by Welsh Labour an "electoral college" or not?

[Yeahsayyeah]

My highlight at any conference or event is when the Red Flag gets sung and the awkward back and forth as senior politicians have to remember what the latest line is on how you react to it.

How on earth did Labour end with a German Christmas song as the melody for their party hymn? I can't stop laughing, at the moment.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

My highlight at any conference or event is when the Red Flag gets sung and the awkward back and forth as senior politicians have to remember what the latest line is on how you react to it.

How on earth did Labour end with a German Christmas song as the melody for their party hymn? I can't stop laughing, at the moment.

O Tannenbaum's melody is also used for the state songs of Iowa (The Song of Iowa), Michigan (Michigan, My Michigan), and the former state songs of Florida (Florida, My Florida) and Maryland (Maryland, My Maryland)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So, is the voting system used by Welsh Labour an "electoral college" or not?

No.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Incredible THIGMOO content going on in Cardiff right now. If you want to get some idea of Welsh Labour as an institution you should catch up on it. Anyway, Comrade Gething is Leader now.

I’ve been unable to tell what really is the difference between Gething and Miles the whole time and at this point I’m afraid to ask.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

The cursed 52-48 strikes again, I notice.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Incredible THIGMOO content going on in Cardiff right now. If you want to get some idea of Welsh Labour as an institution you should catch up on it. Anyway, Comrade Gething is Leader now.

I’ve been unable to tell what really is the difference between Gething and Miles the whole time and at this point I’m afraid to ask.

It genuinely does boil down to 'vibes' in this case lol. Well, and that Gething won't be making Lee Waters a minister.

[afleitch]

Incredible THIGMOO content going on in Cardiff right now. If you want to get some idea of Welsh Labour as an institution you should catch up on it. Anyway, Comrade Gething is Leader now.

I’ve been unable to tell what really is the difference between Gething and Miles the whole time and at this point I’m afraid to ask.

It genuinely does boil down to 'vibes' in this case lol. Well, and that Gething won't be making Lee Waters a minister.

Gething will also be more 'answerable' than Miles on certain broad issues if they happen to arise.

[Blair]

So, is the voting system used by Welsh Labour an "electoral college" or not?

No.

Was the weird 2018 electoral college (where Carolyn Harris won) one of those things in THIGMOO where the race was held so it happened before the rules could be changed?

I don't understand how the Deputy Leader of the Welsh Labour Party is an MP; but then Welsh Labour is a force into itself for confusion.

[CumbrianLefty]

So, is the voting system used by Welsh Labour an "electoral college" or not?

No.

Which confusion doesn't say much about quite a lot of the reporting.

[EastAnglianLefty]

My highlight at any conference or event is when the Red Flag gets sung and the awkward back and forth as senior politicians have to remember what the latest line is on how you react to it.

How on earth did Labour end with a German Christmas song as the melody for their party hymn? I can't stop laughing, at the moment.

It was decided that the original melody for the song was too fast for the level of solemnity they wanted from it.

[CumbrianLefty]

Always preferred the Internationale anyway, despite its connotation with certain unsavoury regimes

[Lord Halifax]

My highlight at any conference or event is when the Red Flag gets sung and the awkward back and forth as senior politicians have to remember what the latest line is on how you react to it.

How on earth did Labour end with a German Christmas song as the melody for their party hymn? I can't stop laughing, at the moment.

It was decided that the original melody for the song was too fast for the level of solemnity they wanted from it.

Billy Bragg recorded it with the original melody:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bLeoYyksqY