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« on: January 06, 2005, 07:34:54 PM »
« edited: January 06, 2005, 07:38:02 PM by King »

At the Senate confirmation, Virginia put Bush/Cheney at 278 EVs Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2005, 07:37:25 PM »

So the Old Dominion finally did something important again. It's still not quite as cool as having 4 of the first 5 presidents, but hey, we'll come back...
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2005, 08:26:01 PM »

remember all the talk of kerry possibly winning virginia?

im proud of my birth state.

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2005, 09:12:43 PM »

remember all the talk of kerry possibly winning virginia?

I believe Governor Warner said that it was going to be "in play".

WA HA HA HA . . .
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2005, 09:57:43 PM »

remember all the talk of kerry possibly winning virginia?

I believe Governor Warner said that it was going to be "in play".

WA HA HA HA . . .

Yes, most definetly a rediculous statement

most democrats see the state becoming closer soon, i believe the opposite will be true, VA,NC,GA,FL, andTX will soon become even greater electoral prizes and they will all be republican
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2005, 12:22:49 AM »

Yeah, I remember Senator I Sue You Edwards was supposed to make NC competitive.  Haha
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2005, 05:35:52 AM »

Yeah, I remember Senator I Sue You Edwards was supposed to make NC competitive.  Haha

Mr Edwards now.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2005, 10:27:01 AM »

Virginia did not actually put Bush over the top.

Since Bush would have needed 268 rather than 286 to lose, no state with less than 18 electoral votes made a difference in the outcome.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2005, 10:32:28 AM »

He's talking about the order in which the votes were counted before Congress. Virginia put Bush at 278 EVs.
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2005, 01:21:44 PM »

remember all the talk of kerry possibly winning virginia?

I believe Governor Warner said that it was going to be "in play".

WA HA HA HA . . .

Yes, most definetly a rediculous statement

most democrats see the state becoming closer soon, i believe the opposite will be true, VA,NC,GA,FL, andTX will soon become even greater electoral prizes and they will all be republican

Virginia is going to be a real swing state in 2008.  The same margin was kept as 2000 (I know it was actually larger considering Nader) even as Bush increased his national popular vote.  Virginia, along with North Carolina, are two states where Bush didn't substantially increase his popular vote.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2005, 01:29:11 PM »

LOL! You refuted your own point! The Nader factor wore off.

Bush INCREASED his share of the vote in Virginia to 54%.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2005, 01:56:06 PM »

remember all the talk of kerry possibly winning virginia?

im proud of my birth state.

Hardly any worse than believing that Washington was in play. Bush only did a point better in Virginia than Kerry did in Washington.

Hell, remember the people thinking Bush could pick up Vermont?
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2005, 06:43:02 PM »

remember all the talk of kerry possibly winning virginia?

im proud of my birth state.

Hardly any worse than believing that Washington was in play. Bush only did a point better in Virginia than Kerry did in Washington.

Hell, remember the people thinking Bush could pick up Vermont?

The GOP Convention bounce put Bush within 5 points of NY and IL, so at one point and time people thought of it...imagine if Bush had won the debates...LANDSLIDE I say...
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2005, 10:32:53 PM »

remember all the talk of kerry possibly winning virginia?

I believe Governor Warner said that it was going to be "in play".

WA HA HA HA . . .

Yes, most definetly a rediculous statement

most democrats see the state becoming closer soon, i believe the opposite will be true, VA,NC,GA,FL, andTX will soon become even greater electoral prizes and they will all be republican

Virginia is going to be a real swing state in 2008.  The same margin was kept as 2000 (I know it was actually larger considering Nader) even as Bush increased his national popular vote.  Virginia, along with North Carolina, are two states where Bush didn't substantially increase his popular vote.

you guys said that 4 years ago.........
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2005, 10:38:08 AM »

remember all the talk of kerry possibly winning virginia?

I believe Governor Warner said that it was going to be "in play".

WA HA HA HA . . .

Yes, most definetly a rediculous statement

most democrats see the state becoming closer soon, i believe the opposite will be true, VA,NC,GA,FL, andTX will soon become even greater electoral prizes and they will all be republican

Virginia is going to be a real swing state in 2008.  The same margin was kept as 2000 (I know it was actually larger considering Nader) even as Bush increased his national popular vote.  Virginia, along with North Carolina, are two states where Bush didn't substantially increase his popular vote.

you guys said that 4 years ago.........

Virginia is very slowly trending Democrat, but it won't be a swing state in 2008 without a good, moderate populist like Bayh, in which case we won't need it. Whether it keeps trending until it becomes a battleground is impossible to know, but it will take good time.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2005, 10:51:45 AM »

Virginia will not go for Bayh.

The State has become more Republican in every one of the last four elections.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2005, 03:34:19 AM »

In 2096 when a Democrat finally wins VA, the Democrats here will all say "I told you it was trending Democrat!".
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2005, 06:29:08 PM »

Virginia's voting record is very easily divided into 3 distinct phases. The first was from 1789 to 1820 where it merely voted for the Virginian regardless of party. This phase came to an end in 1824 when no Virginian ran. The second phase was from 1828 to 1948 where it voted for the Democrat all but 3 time (in 1860 when the Democrats had a schism, in 1872 when the carpetbaggers were in control, and in 1932 due mainly to Smith's Catholicism). This phase came to an end with the Eisenhower elections. The third and current phase began in 1952, since then it has voted Republican every time except 1964. Based on how infrequently Virginia shifts loyalties, I would say the Republicans are safe here for a few more elections.
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2019, 02:18:22 PM »

Well would ya know it, Virginia’s still not “in play”

Safe R —> Safe D
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2019, 02:34:46 PM »

A lot of these comments seem eerily similar to those saying that GA is fool’s gold.
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2019, 03:08:39 PM »

remember all the talk of kerry possibly winning virginia?

I believe Governor Warner said that it was going to be "in play".

WA HA HA HA . . .


Yes, most definetly a rediculous statement

most democrats see the state becoming closer soon, i believe the opposite will be true, VA,NC,GA,FL, andTX will soon become even greater electoral prizes and they will all be republican

Virginia is going to be a real swing state in 2008.  The same margin was kept as 2000 (I know it was actually larger considering Nader) even as Bush increased his national popular vote.  Virginia, along with North Carolina, are two states where Bush didn't substantially increase his popular vote.
Nice job. 14 Years later and you finally have the last laugh.
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2019, 03:28:35 PM »

A lot of these comments seem eerily similar to those saying that GA is fool’s gold.

I highly recommed this gem as well:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=220621.0

VA 2008, PA 2016, GA 2020... so much fool's gold everywhere. Sad
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2019, 03:48:09 PM »

A lot of these comments seem eerily similar to those saying that GA is fool’s gold.

I highly recommed this gem as well:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=220621.0

VA 2008, PA 2016, GA 2020... so much fool's gold everywhere. Sad

Look at most threads on here after Lehman crashed , the vast majority had Obama winning VA. If it wasn’t for the crash  , McCain probably still carries Virginia by a couple points in 2008 and loses by around only 1-2 points nationally .

But still even before Lehman too say it was fool’s gold would have been silly



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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2019, 01:16:43 AM »

Virginia was drifting D with respect to the USA as a whole -- and still is.

Virginia went from going to Republicans in blowouts (1928, 1952, 1956) to being much more R than America as a whole (it was the only former Confederate State to not vote for Jimmy Carter in 1976, Carter winning every state surrounding it, and it never voted for Bill Clinton) -- to being on the fringe of contention in 2000 and 2004 in close races. In 2008 and 2012 it was still more R than the US as a whole...

Virginia began to take characteristics of a Northern state as it urbanized, and from the 1940's to the 1980's, that meant going Republican. From 2006 becoming more Northern made it increasingly Democratic. It might have been possible to see the 2008 and 2012 elections as having Barack Obama as the ideal Democrat to win the state... but it was more D than the USA as a whole in 2016.

Virginia seems to be one of the most anti-populist states in the Union, which may explain much.   
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2019, 02:23:27 AM »

Maybe a better lesson is to not arrogantly talk about your current political alignments as if they’ll be the exact same in 12 years, let alone ing 40, lol.
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