The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

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What does it say about a Forum that has no sympathy for my unborn grandchild that died in an abortion, or for myself and my wife, but who has all the sympathy in the world for convicted murderers and THEIR families?  There's kind of a disconnect here, is their not?

It says that you fundamentally don't understand how we view abortion.

Why would there be a 'disconnect' if we don't believe that a fetus is morally equivalent to a human being?

Then at what point does it become a human being,  and why that point?

It becomes a human being when it is born. Nobody can dispute that.

Someone who believes a single celled zygote is a person probably shouldn't be posting any take they disagree with here.

Someone who doesn't understand basic biology and human fetal development shouldn't be replying.

If you think you shouldn't be replying, then you can simply not reply.

Unlike you, I'm not a science denier.

We'll see if that's true the next time a discussion on climate change comes up.

You have this really weird obsession with assuming my beliefs with absolutely nothing to back it.

I said "we'll see." I didn't say "Well then explain your position on climate change." I suspect that you are right-wing on climate change, and perhaps I shouldn't and it's wrong to, but can you really blame me when, the Green avatar notwithstanding, you've taken the Republican position on everything as far as I've seen (and those last five words are key - you may well agree with Democrats/liberals on any number of things, but whenever I see your posts, they're either entirely unrelated to politics - i.e. posts in Forum Community - or agree with blue avatars and right-wingers).

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You lost any shred of credibility in your argument the second you argued that babies are stored within and grow within an organ that is part of the mother's digestive system and continued defending it lmao

thanks for saving me the effort by posting in here again.

So I lost credibility the moment I wrote something that I made sure to fact-check on multiple websites first? I didn't write anything till I consulted multiple credible websites and was in fact sure about what I was saying. The fact that you at this juncture just accuse me of having lost my credibility confirms what I thought all along: what you've been saying about fetuses has been demonstrably untrue all along. Fetuses are in the lower stomach. The lower stomach is part of the stomach, which itself is part of the digestive system. So no, what I'm saying isn't incredible. And if it is in fact that shocking, check out Weird but True. The truth can be difficult to believe sometimes (although I don't know why it would be in this case).

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You lost any shred of credibility in your argument the second you argued that babies are stored within and grow within an organ that is part of the mother's digestive system and continued defending it lmao

thanks for saving me the effort by posting in here again.

So I lost credibility the moment I wrote something that I made sure to fact-check on multiple websites first? I didn't write anything till I consulted multiple credible websites and was in fact sure about what I was saying. The fact that you at this juncture just accuse me of having lost my credibility confirms what I thought all along: what you've been saying about fetuses has been demonstrably untrue all along. Fetuses are in the lower stomach. The lower stomach is part of the stomach, which itself is part of the digestive system. So no, what I'm saying isn't incredible. And if it is in fact that shocking, check out Weird but True. The truth can be difficult to believe sometimes (although I don't know why it would be in this case).

It's truly amazing that you keep helping me out here. I'm guessing they haven't gotten to sex ed yet for you in school, or anything about the reproductive system for you yet in biology class.

a.) I did in fact study both those things, actually, but that's besides in the point.
b.) Yes, the reproductive and digestive systems are two different systems. The fetus is in the reproductive system. However, to quote from Stanford Children's Health: "The uterus, or womb, is a hollow, pear-shaped organ in a woman's lower stomach between the bladder and the rectum...A fertilized egg (ovum) becomes implanted in the uterus, and the fetus develops." That is all. I never "argued that babies are stored within and grow within an organ that is part of the mother's digestive system", I only repeated something that I found on a credible website. The fetus is inside its mother during the 9 months of pregnancy. Can we agree on that, and the fact that it has not yet been born? I consider there to be a fundamental difference between a fetus inside its mother that has not been born and a baby that has been born? Killing a baby that's been born - infanticide - is despicable and horrible and is never okay and is not what I'm arguing or what I've ever argued for. Aborting a fetus - which is still inside its mother and connected via umbilical cord - is however not infanticide or baby murder, because it's not a baby until it's been born, it's a fetus. Partial-birth abortion is another matter because at that point it's on the verge of being born. I can in a way understand calling that somewhat similar to infanticide, but it's really carried out only when the mother's life is in danger, and all but the farthest right-wing of conservative politicians oppose abortion to save the mother's life. In any case, I admit that some of what I've said wasn't entirely correct either. You are technically correct that "fetuses are never at any point in the mother's stomach during development", and I was wrong in calling that statement incorrect. But I believe the rest of what I've argued stands. Fetuses that haven't been born and babies that have are fundamentally different beings that have different rights, and abortion is not murder or infanticide.

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Ah, where the Dem obsession with "insurrection" comes back to bite them in the a$$.

Putting that in scare quotes is a sign that this country is terminally f—ked. Genuinely disturbing how readily people have forgotten or stopped caring that a very real insurrection/coup was attempted and came far too close to succeeding. Nothing else — not this, not BLM protests, nothing — is comparable. Not in this country’s history, anyway. It was completely unprecedented and it’s chilling how people are shrugging it off and mocking those rightfully concerned about it and the implications for the future of our democracy now.

No, Jan. 6 was not a "very real insurrection/coup". It was a grassroots unarmed protest fired on by police without warning. People have protested election results for years, you could even say it's an American tradition. The main difference is that this one actually inconvenienced our dear political elites for one afternoon, rather than the regular yokels like us who usually get inconvenienced by protests. Ashli Babbitt wasn't some Patrick Henry. She was just some psychologically disturbed political activist who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Honestly I would be lying if I said I wasn't at least a little bit worried that Trump would try to pull something over in late 2020, but it never happened. Most slides into dictatorships or authoritarian governments happen because the would-be-dictator is actually popular. Trump in his first term never had that going for him. I do think America's slide into authoritarianism is a real danger, and even likely this century, but it will most likely happen under conditions where the President is a popular figure with elite backing.

My God. He seemed like a fine and solid liberal poster, at least to me. This is unexpected to say the least.

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Good grief the conservative brain dead hate boners for California I described are so alive and well in this thread. Particularly ironic that the two primary Crashers of California's liberal governance West Coast Intelligentsia immigrant friendly policies leading to economic success are respectively from mississippi, the closest thing America has to a third world, and someone from Portland whom if they took their nose out of their computer and went outside could readily see the success of such policies.

Not every post you disagree with is bad.

I mean OSR has a point though, Portland is one of those cities that is much worse off for all the arson and looting and window-smashing and violent rioting that took place with the BLM protests. I know most of the protests were peaceful, but things got very bad in Portland IIRC. And anybody who decided to look at the streets of Portland during the low point probably wouldn't be thanking BLM protesters or progressives.

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Also holding up Bill “kids are faking being trans to be cool” Maher as a gold standard to be bringing into this area of discussion is quite silly

It's such a dumb premise. Tens of millions people want to see every LGBT person in this country dead, and these jackasses think that coming out gives them social clout? It's delusional.

It may be hyperbolic, but at least tens of millions of people hate LGBTQ people(especially the TQ) in this country, and a lot more are apathetic at best.

Isn’t queer just another word for gay?

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Unpopular opinion, but all of them. The ones who lost/will lose did/will not do so because of their impeachment vote but rather because they’re either comically out of touch in a way that goes well beyond the impeachment vote (Liz Cheney is a textbook example of this) or just fairly inept/lazy campaigners who clearly didn’t know how to carve out an appealing brand in their district.

Yeah, I have to agree with the inclusion of this post. Tom Rice is a perfect example disproving MT Treasurer's theory.

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We basically need to ban restaurants (all kinds, not just fast food), and all food that isn't deemed healthy by a panel of CDC appointed doctors if we want to increase our life expectancy.

LOL!!!!!!
The scary thing is he probably said that unironically.

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This is the stupidest thread on this site.

Isn't that kind of the point? An easy-access compilation of stupid posts?

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"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

And do what, kill those women?

[takes swig of Miller Lite and burps] yeah, they're soiled by slave morality taught by their pedophile con artist prophet, don't like it when i put the moves on them, and probably think al franken is guilty

This is part of an aggravating, baseless, insulting, and unintelligible knack of Disco's - when somebody (usually, as is the case here, Alben, but sometimes it's somebody else), writes a post Disco doesn't like or disagrees with or whatever, they blame it on "toxic masculinity" - baselessly and insultingly - and accuse the poster in question, more or less, of being a massive chauvinist and sexist. It's disgusting, it's old, it's predictable, it's offensive (and oftentimes, it's Disco who's being sexist - such as describing TikTok as just something "teenage girls" like, as if plenty of males don't use it as well).

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Do you think that trans people should be banned from being preschool teachers?

Yes.

Surely advocating for genocide violates the TOS?

Calling this "genocide advocacy" surely qualifies as excessive hyperbole, if anything does.

It's not too often I agree with Ferguson on transgender issues...but wow. NC Conservative says he wants trans people banned (which, I mean, he wants to eradicate and end all trans people - so isn't that by definition, literally advocacy of genocide), and when Ferguson (very rightly) calls him out on what it is - genocide advocacy, because yes, that's exactly what saying you want to "ban" a group of people is - Shua chimes in...apparently it's "hyperbole" to call advocacy for "banning" a group of people advocacy of genocide - what NC Conservative said isn't enough, and according to Shua, it's Ferguson who deserves moderation, not NC Conservative.

I'm hardly a liberal on transgender issues - but it seems I'm firmly in between left and right, since the left moves ridiculously into a left, woke, direction, while at the same time, the right moves to open hate and hostility - to the point of advocating a total genocide of trans people (and we know how insane NC Conservative is, so if it was just him, and other blue avatars and conservatives criticized his comments, I wouldn't characterise what he said as the broader right-wing position: but the only right-sign commentary I've see on this is Shua trying to blame FERGUSON and denying NC Conservative advocated genocide when he literally did). This is an evident example of the latter.

Click the original NC Conservative post please

Well I will say it was highly misleading for Ferguson to make his little, uh, edit to NC Conservative's post. It's not as if not wanting to allow transgenders to be preschool teachers is *good*, but there's a stark difference between that and wanting to just eliminate trans people entirely (the latter is something wholly, totally, completely unacceptable, and something only genocidal, maniacal, utterly hateful people wouldn't condemn).

I will point out, though, that D.S. apparently agreed with NC Conservative's doctored post, where he allegedly expressed support for "banning" transgender people. So it's not as if *some* don't espouse these beliefs. Though we already knew he was a Massive, Massive HP.

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Well I will say it was highly misleading for Ferguson to make his little, uh, edit to NC Conservative's post.

DabbingSanta was the one who made the edit. Ferguson posted it unedited.

Oh God. Well, DS really is a completely loser, hateful POS who, in an ordinary world, would be permabanned. And it's not as if NC Conservative isn't a bigot, either (I recall his infamous exchange with you - that's why I had something of a 'confirmation bias' and why it was very easy for me to believe he'd say something like he supports "banning" transgenders).

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Regardless of what DS "actually meant" with those words, to me it's pretty clear that it's a bigoted comment and should be sanctioned just like any similar post would be.

I absolutely agree.

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Well I will say it was highly misleading for Ferguson to make his little, uh, edit to NC Conservative's post. It's not as if not wanting to allow transgenders to be preschool teachers is *good*, but there's a stark difference between that and wanting to just eliminate trans people entirely (the latter is something wholly, totally, completely unacceptable, and something only genocidal, maniacal, utterly hateful people wouldn't condemn).

I will point out, though, that D.S. apparently agreed with NC Conservative's doctored post, where he allegedly expressed support for "banning" transgender people. So it's not as if *some* don't espouse these beliefs. Though we already knew he was a Massive, Massive HP.

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I did not make the "edit" to NC Conservative's post. That was DabbingSanta.

I asked NC point-blank "Do you think that trans people should be banned from being preschool teachers?" and he replied "Yes."

I submitted his reply "Yes" to this thread because I believed it to be ignorant/absurd.

DabbingSants then replied to ME with the ChadYes meme and HE crossed out the "from being preschool teachers" when he quoted my post, because he wanted it to be known that he, Dabbing Santa, wants to ban trans people from existing.

At no point did I edit NC's post or take it out of context. That was all DabbingSanta.

NC's views are horrific enough that it's not necessary for me to mislead people about them.

Okay, you're right...and I think DabbingSanta - a real bigoted, hateful SOB who should get help - should face mod action for this (a temp ban?). It's one thing to express legitimate opinions about woke transgenderism or to say you disagree with sex reassignment surgery for minors or whatever - and another entirely to literally advocate "banning" an entire group of people. The latter is genocide advocacy, and I don't know how any good person could ever defend or condone it, let alone advocate it (as DS did).

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"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

And do what, kill those women?

[takes swig of Miller Lite and burps] yeah, they're soiled by slave morality taught by their pedophile con artist prophet, don't like it when i put the moves on them, and probably think al franken is guilty

This is part of an aggravating, baseless, insulting, and unintelligible knack of Disco's - when somebody (usually, as is the case here, Alben, but sometimes it's somebody else), writes a post Disco doesn't like or disagrees with or whatever, they blame it on "toxic masculinity" - baselessly and insultingly - and accuse the poster in question, more or less, of being a massive chauvinist and sexist. It's disgusting, it's old, it's predictable, it's offensive (and oftentimes, it's Disco who's being sexist - such as describing TikTok as just something "teenage girls" like, as if plenty of males don't use it as well).

Pretty sure she's s**tposting rather than actually believing what she says. Also Disco's a she.

First sentence: She's done this in multiple threads though. sh**tposting or not, it's offensive, it's uncreative, etcetera etcetera. And some of what she's writing - call it "sh**tposting" or whatever you will - is blatant sexism, such as calling TikTok something that "teenage girls like" (for those who've actually seen TikTok, plenty of it is by adults, and plenty of it is by males).
Second sentence: Well when I last checked the profile, apparently Disco was "nonbinary." It's always safe in these cases to just uses "they/them" pronouns when you're unsure or if posters keep changing the gender they identify as. It also offends nobody (save for total haymakers and snowflakes like Klobmentum).

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If I’m wrong I’m not reading about how she talked about his ancestors, just that he should be deported

Still bad, but just a different kind of bad

I added the bit about his ancestors because it is utterly absurd and extremely offensive to suggest that a man whose family was brought here against their will in chains should be forcibly shipped back to Africa now that he's finally found great success as a Senator. It is so disgusting it makes me almost physically ill, to think that Warnock could come so far compared to where his family came from and still have people basically telling him he doesn't "belong" and should go "back to Africa," when it wasn't even his family's choice to leave in the first place!

In effect, he was dragged here, then he rose against all odds and succeeded greatly under our great American democratic system anyway. NOW you want to tell me he should be deported? To where? A country that didn't even exist at the time his family was forcibly removed and shipped across the Atlantic?

Nikki Haley is a sick, sick degenerate. A repulsive excuse for a "person." No actual human being with a soul would make such a claim. I had thought slightly better of her than most of the GOP before today; no longer!

What part of what he said is so absurd or ignorant that it belongs here?

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it's sad how people can get so confused by gender ideology

and remember, it's the confusion that's the goal

To be fair DT's got a point though. The thread's subject should make up their mind about their gender, once and for all, and then get back to us (the fact that your gender is just something you can 'make up your mind on' is itself problematic, tbh, but let's ignore that fact for a minute). Your gender is not something you can flip-flop on or just repeatedly change. I mean, I suppose I get it if you're born male but identify as female your entire life, or vice-versa. But to be born male, then say that you're actually female, then switch back to male, then say you're female again - DT's right: that's just somebody getting confused by 'gender ideology,' somebody who is either seeking attention or somebody who genuinely needs help of some kind (or both - and regarding the latter, it is not meant to be an insult in any way).

Of course, if this was a trans person who was intimidated into detransitioning but now wants to speak up about their real gender identity - that's different. But if this is someone who, entirely of their own accord, have changed their mind about their gender 3 times - I'm not sure how that's not "confusing" and concerning. Because it is.

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PA: While this race is much likelier than not to stay Dem this cycle, I think the margin will be much closer than the polls suggest and will underestimate Mastriano (who has a Trumpier coalition) more than Oz. I think after the election, we'll sit here wondering why we ever believed Shapiro was going to win by double digits in a perennial swing state in a poor national environment for Democrats. Seriously folks, when fundamentals and polling collide, skew towards fundamentals.

That entire post is hackish garbage 🗑. He “predicts” a 54-46 R senate majority, lol.

I’ll be fair: myself, and plenty of other posters - Democrats as well as Republicans - figured Shapiro would manage only a single-digit win. However, pretty much all of ElectionsGuy’s predictions came apart - aside from FL (where none of us forsaw haw much Rubio and DeathSantis would win by), he appears to have overestimated the GOP all around, in some cases to the point of it being laughable for us and humiliating for him.

He’s still not as bad as “citizenq”, who actually predicted that Mastriano would win, lmao. Come to think of it, if any prediction deserves to be here, that one probably does.

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He’s still not as bad as “citizenq”, who actually predicted that Mastriano would win, lmao. Come to think of it, if any prediction deserves to be here, that one probably does.

Here it is:

Waltz, Michels, Dixon, Mastriano

3/4 wrong!
Kind of surprising he didn’t go all in and “predict” the GOP winning in MN as well.

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Well I will say it was highly misleading for Ferguson to make his little, uh, edit to NC Conservative's post.

DabbingSanta was the one who made the edit. Ferguson posted it unedited.

Oh God. Well, DS really is a completely loser, hateful POS who, in an ordinary world, would be permabanned. And it's not as if NC Conservative isn't a bigot, either (I recall his infamous exchange with you - that's why I had something of a 'confirmation bias' and why it was very easy for me to believe he'd say something like he supports "banning" transgenders).

I generally hold my fire toward our younger posters, but you really need to stop setting yourself up as some kind of moral arbiter.  It really is getting tiresome.

I also feel that calling for the "banning" of an entire group is absolutely intolerable and must be called out for what it is - genocide. Or, if you prefer to think of it, "tiresome." When DS stops with his IMO "tiresome" behaviour of genocide advocacy - against trans people, against anyone (and yes, calling for a group of people to be "banned" is genocide advocacy, and I'm not sure how you'd spin it or pretend otherwise) - I will stop with my "moral arbitration" (assuming that by that, you mean me calling out people for advocating genocide).

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He’s still not as bad as “citizenq”, who actually predicted that Mastriano would win, lmao. Come to think of it, if any prediction deserves to be here, that one probably does.

Here it is:

Waltz, Michels, Dixon, Mastriano

3/4 wrong!
Kind of surprising he didn’t go all in and “predict” the GOP winning in MN as well.

Don't gloat. Pennsylvania now has an invalid as a Senator. Not something to be proud of. Not something to celebrate.

Something to pity.

A million times better than having an anti-Semitic, bigoted extremist as their governor, a man who would strip away freedom from a majority of Pennsylvanians (any woman seeking an abortion, LGBT Pennsylvanians, those who dare to defy his will and support the Democrats - regarding the very last point, he literally said he'd appoint an SoS who would ensure that Trump received PA's electoral votes even if the voters went Democrat, said he'd purge voter rolls and disallow voting machines arbitrarily).

You know what I find pitiful? A so-called "libertarian" who simps for a guy who supports abortion bans and book bans and voting restrictions. I find it pitiful when somebody's "predictions" are so hackish and delusional they're wrong by more than 13 points in their own state, and 3 out of their 4 "predictions" go wrong (2 of them woefully so - Shapiro, of course, won his race by over 13 points, but even Whitmer won by a solid 10 point margin).

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Of course the guy who wanted to ban vapes is the Democratic co-sponsor.

Oh no! He wanted to ban vapes! How terrible!

If we oppose cigarettes - and the government absolutely made the right move in opposing them back in the '90s - we should logically oppose vapes. They're cigarettes in another form, only more dangerous and 'cool' and 'flashy' (the same way cigarettes were before the government launched infomercials to send lung cancer permanently out of fashion).

If you're trying to discredit Krishnamoorthi's credentials and make an 'ethos' argument against this, you're failing completely, at least as far as I'm concerned. Yes, vapes should be banned.

  Care to defend vapes and say they're not at all harmful, then? Because if you do, it'll be neat enough since you'll be posting directly into this thread.

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Of course the guy who wanted to ban vapes is the Democratic co-sponsor.

Oh no! He wanted to ban vapes! How terrible!

If we oppose cigarettes - and the government absolutely made the right move in opposing them back in the '90s - we should logically oppose vapes. They're cigarettes in another form, only more dangerous and 'cool' and 'flashy' (the same way cigarettes were before the government launched infomercials to send lung cancer permanently out of fashion).

If you're trying to discredit Krishnamoorthi's credentials and make an 'ethos' argument against this, you're failing completely, at least as far as I'm concerned. Yes, vapes should be banned.

  Care to defend vapes and say they're not at all harmful, then? Because if you do, it'll be neat enough since you'll be posting directly into this thread.

suggesting vapes are not harmful at all would be almost as dumb as saying they are "more dangerous than cigarettes".

Yes, that was a big factual error on my part. Vapes ARE less harmful than cigarettes. HOWEVER, it's not as if they don't have plenty of problems, and the full extent of the harm they cause is still being uncovered.

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Ferguson says 2K for reparations does he knows how much Per Capita Native American gets that's a joke it should be no more or no less than 30 K per person like Native Americans as cash payments not a 1 M dollars or 2K dollars it's called reparations not stimulus check

That’s not what I said. Learn to read.

A personal attack from one of the worst posters here on our a True and Wise Forum Institution surely belongs here.

Ferguson is right that he was badly misquoted and taken out of context. Quit sucking up

For a change, I'm going to have to side with Fuzzy Bear on this one. Any criticism of our SECULAR KING, whether by Ferguson, myself, Fuzzy, or anybody else - is heresy and cannot be tolerated. Any of the SECULAR KING's devoted followers (i.e. the vast majority of this site) will attest to this, that any harsh words against Olawakandi are blasphemy.

In all seriousness, I do think OC's cult of personality is a bit over the top, but at the same time, it's unfair to suggest that this kind of comment about him is allowed if it's made by someone you agree with. You know? It unironically is unfair, given the cult of personality he has and how upset/animated many of us get if anybody says anything negative about him, that this sort of thing is okay if the person who says it is someone you agree with, and the person who calls it out is someone you disagree with.

Fuzzy's right; Ferguson's wrong. Criticism of OC is never okay, no matter who says it, and whoever calls it out is 100% right, even if they're wrong most of the rest of the time.