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I don't know why but for some reason i just don't care, like this changes absolutely nothing about my opinion of trump like not even a inch.

And you're saying this like it's a good thing? That says much much more about you, none of it good, and it does about the overwhelming evidence of Trump's fraud. But you do you.

The vast majority of voters dont care about this either, just like they didnt care about Clinton committing perjury.

Heck its why the average voter really didnt care about Iran-Contra either

Iran-Contra is interesting because it almost certainly cost Oliver North the Senate seat in Virginia. Of course, it's unlikely he would have won the Republican nomination without his involvement either. However, the only reason that U.S Senate race was so close to begin with was because Senator Robb got caught up in some scandal himself.

That is not how it has been for decades here and the precedent should not be broken over stuff like this.  Like do you want a super red county DA to start looking into what Biden is doing and if they find a grey area charge him with a crime. Then have him tried in a jury pool thats super GOP. Of course that would be unfair as well but thats the precedent thats being set.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp? Yes, if Biden commits a crime, I want him prosecuted for it.

Even Mitt Romney is opposed to this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna152420

 

that the president “made an enormous error” by not pressuring New York prosecutors to drop their case against Trump. (Presidents can pardon only in federal cases.)

"He should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution from going forward,” Romney said, referring to Biden. “It was a win-win for Donald Trump.”

Pressed by Ruhle whether that is Biden’s job to pardon Trump, Romney said he believes that Biden should have taken a cue from former President Lyndon B. Johnson, saying that the president could have stepped in and urged New York prosecutors to drop the case.“I have been around for a while. If LBJ had been president, and he didn’t want something like this to happen, he’d have been all over that prosecutor saying, ‘You better not bring that forward or I’m gonna drive you out of office,’” he said.

This a pretty naive take, even for a fairly naive politician like Romney.

Biden isn't LBJ. No President in the modern party system has institutional power like LBJ had in Washington. And LBJ had it just in Washington! This is a New York State case, after all.

Bragg should be publicly shamed by the Democratic Party . I mean this is a guy who lets far worse crime go on a daily basis . Also you can issue a pardon on these charges and thus remove any incentive to bring the case to begin with

The President cannot pardon state crimes. How do some of y’all still not get this?

The governor of New York can

Should the other 34 defendants in Manhattan that have been charged by Bragg's DA office with felony counts for falsifying business records be granted pardons too?

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1796370294858490027

What Romney is saying is presidents should not  be charged for stuff like this .

At the very least if you are gonna, then you should require them to be allowed an auto appeal to the state Supreme Court or SCOTUS(depending on whether it’s a state or federal charge) and let them decide if they should get immunity for that particular charge

Trump was not president when he committed this crime, and he’s not president now. By what tortured logic could an appellate court recognize “immunity” in this case?

Do you think all constitutional officeholders should get the same privilege, OSR, or is this special to the President for some reason?

So maybe this is a controversial opinion. But even though I agree with the verdict, I think it would be in the best interest of Biden to pressure Hochul into pardoning Trump. It would be a real opportunity for Biden express that he’s a president for all Americans- and it completely strips Trump of his martyrdom argument. We’re in a completely unprecedented moment in American history right now and it is an imperative that Biden take control of the narrative.

Jesus Christ. Why all the simping for two-tiered justice systems here? Seriously. The endless bootlicking for criminal politicians has become insufferable here. You hunch-backed weirdos all write this crap knowing full f#cking well that Joe Blow would be getting his ass rammed in prison right now if he committed one-tenth of the degree of crimes the likes of Nixon or Bush or Trump have committed.

There has to be a reason for it. Is it the same reason multiple users worship warmongers like Scoop Jackson or LBJ on here? Are we so ingrained in the doings of the political establishment that we do their propaganda work for them, in the hopes that one day we, too, might become like them or enjoy the same prestige? Do you want to sit with daddy in the big chair one day?

Is that all you’ve got? Do you seriously have nothing better to do than come and white knight for (legally and/or morally compromised) scumbag politicians? Are you the head of a nursery? Is that what you do? You are a child. You are a child. You are a child.

Because we don't want out government to be controlled by a bunch of DA's who seek to undermine the opposition president whenever they are in office. That's what this would do .

Trump didn't get convicted just because Alvin Bragg wanted him to be. He had every opportunity to contest the legal and factual merits of the indictment-which a grand jury already approved.

This isn't the end of the process, but we can assume from this verdict that he actually did the crime. And Presidents who commit crimes should be charged and convicted.

That is not how it has been for decades here and the precedent should not be broken over stuff like this.  Like do you want a super red county DA to start looking into what Biden is doing and if they find a grey area charge him with a crime. Then have him tried in a jury pool thats super GOP. Of course that would be unfair as well but thats the precedent thats being set.

If you want presidents to be charged for something like this then at least you should support a law that guarantee them an auto appeal to the state supreme court or US Supreme court(depending on whether its a state or federal crime)

It's already the case that a President in office can't be charged with a (federal) crime, or, at least, that's the Justice Department memo.

It's unlikely a sitting President could be charged with a state crime, but I suppose some Republicans might want to find out.

Very smart by the Roberts Court to wait to issue a Ruling on Immunity until a Guilty Verdict was reached in the NY Trail.

Yes, it's a different case here but I can almost guarantee you all now that former President Trump and future Presidents regardless of Party will get some form of "Immunity" so that these kind of flimsy bogus charges can't be brought in the future.

The inherent intelligence level of this post is a negative number.

Yet, it is still a possible outcome of this conviction.

Look, they are not going to give Trump Immunity on J6 (I don't think so) but it makes it at least resonable to give some form of Immunity to him & future Presidents so they can be protected from the kind of fishy & flimsy charges Bragg brought forward.

Only total immunity gives protection against this.
I don't think there were enough votes for the total immunity opinion, but after this, the chances are higher.

Thomas and Alito will give Full Immunity. The Question is what ACB, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Roberts do. And ACB, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh may have second thoughts after seeing this Sham & Scam Trial.

Seeing Hakeem Jeffries, Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, Durbin & Kate Bedingfield squirm after SCOTUS hands down a Ruling in Trumps favor will be glorious to watch.

I agree that president's should be immune from prosecution for frivolous, non-violent offenses that lack a clear victim. On that ground, the Manhattan case should be thrown out without question. The other cases, while I do have problems with some, at least involve serious allegations of wrongdoing, some of which had the potential to cause great harm to at least one person (i.e. classified documents falling into the hands of malicious actors seeking to cause harm to the US)

Whatever Imisinterpretation of the Constitution giving president's immunity from legitimate crimes like the one Trump was convicted of today to get you through the night and able to look in the mirror in the morning and say you're not a reprehensible person for supporting a convicted felon and serial sexual batter from being leader of the free world, you do you.

No (sane)

I don't drink but I had some comfort food!

So maybe this is a controversial opinion. But even though I agree with the verdict, I think it would be in the best interest of Biden to pressure Hochul into pardoning Trump. It would be a real opportunity for Biden express that he’s a president for all Americans- and it completely strips Trump of his martyrdom argument. We’re in a completely unprecedented moment in American history right now and it is an imperative that Biden take control of the narrative.

Jesus Christ. Why all the simping for two-tiered justice systems here? Seriously. The endless bootlicking for criminal politicians has become insufferable here. You hunch-backed weirdos all write this crap knowing full f#cking well that Joe Blow would be getting his ass rammed in prison right now if he committed one-tenth of the degree of crimes the likes of Nixon or Bush or Trump have committed.

There has to be a reason for it. Is it the same reason multiple users worship warmongers like Scoop Jackson or LBJ on here? Are we so ingrained in the doings of the political establishment that we do their propaganda work for them, in the hopes that one day we, too, might become like them or enjoy the same prestige? Do you want to sit with daddy in the big chair one day?

Is that all you’ve got? Do you seriously have nothing better to do than come and white knight for (legally and/or morally compromised) scumbag politicians? Are you the head of a nursery? Is that what you do? You are a child. You are a child. You are a child.

Because we don't want out government to be controlled by a bunch of DA's who seek to undermine the opposition president whenever they are in office. That's what this would do .

Trump didn't get convicted just because Alvin Bragg wanted him to be. He had every opportunity to contest the legal and factual merits of the indictment-which a grand jury already approved.

This isn't the end of the process, but we can assume from this verdict that he actually did the crime. And Presidents who commit crimes should be charged and convicted.

That is not how it has been for decades here and the precedent should not be broken over stuff like this.  Like do you want a super red county DA to start looking into what Biden is doing and if they find a grey area charge him with a crime. Then have him tried in a jury pool thats super GOP. Of course that would be unfair as well but thats the precedent thats being set.

If you want presidents to be charged for something like this then at least you should support a law that guarantee them an auto appeal to the state supreme court or US Supreme court(depending on whether its a state or federal crime)

Very smart by the Roberts Court to wait to issue a Ruling on Immunity until a Guilty Verdict was reached in the NY Trail.

Yes, it's a different case here but I can almost guarantee you all now that former President Trump and future Presidents regardless of Party will get some form of "Immunity" so that these kind of flimsy bogus charges can't be brought in the future.

The inherent intelligence level of this post is a negative number.

Yet, it is still a possible outcome of this conviction.

As is you being flattened by a meteor and never posting on Atlas again, but no matter how much we might hope for those respective goals, neither is remotely realistic