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[Good lord Putin got under you guys's skin with the election interference stuff which is about the only reason I can think of why you're being so intense about this]

Crimea+Donetsk+Luhansk going to Russia and Ukraine joining NATO (or some other defensive agreement that has teeth to ensure this doesn't happen again) is the absolute floor. Ideally of course, Russia leaving entirely and Ukraine joining NATO, but that seems unlikely.

One of the few serious posts here and about what I would say.

Good lord Putin got under you guys's skin with the election interference stuff which is about the only reason I can think of why you're being so intense about this. You wuss out in Afghanistan, want Israel to roll over and just let Hamas take over their country, but then you don't want Ukraine to give up one foot of land even if it means WWII casualties. Some of you are even talking about regime change in Russia which presumably means starting WWIII and invading and hoping it goes better than all the other times in history that's been tried.

As I've said before if this is what it looks like when you're on someone's side in a war than you clearly weren't on the US's side against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre Now kindly go shove it

Well the Taliban committed all kinds of atrocities against civilians and it took significantly less loss of life to stop them than it would for the kind of total victory against Russia that all of you seem to want here. Yet most of you were fine letting them take over Afghanistan, it's not logical so have those two positions in concert, there's just some kind of emotional bias here.

I think I know better than you as i'm in Europe and more familiar with European politics than you are. All you say is just "you're false, end of story", lol.

Democrats would be centrist. There are factions that would be left-wing but they're a minority within the Democratic Party. It's not like the squad, Bernie Sanders or even Elizabeth Warren dominate the DEM party. Biden's brand is basically christian democratic, which generally is even considered center-right in most nations in Western Europe.

No, you're just one European person with a particular political viewpoint. I posted an ANALYSIS that measured how left and right the Democratic and Republican parties would in be in peer countries.

That analysis directly contradicts your nonsense claim.

Sorry but the analysis you posted is nonsense, unless you'd say Clinton's Democratic Party is basically as much to the left as Corbyn's Labour Party...

I completely buy the prosecution's factual case.

But the prosecution has done almost nothing to convince me that what Trump did constitutes a crime beyond a reasonable doubt as to the interpretation of the statutes and campaign finance regulations.

I understand that this is really not supposed to be something a lay jury is asked to decide.  But if I'm a juror and the law is as unclear as it seems to be in the case, and I've been given almost no information as to how this vagueness should be resolved, I'd have to feel it was my responsibility to acquit.

This is why I wish the prosecution had a least brought up adultery as a possible underlying crime to elevated the falsification of records to a felony.  Under this theory of the case, I think Trump is 100% guilty with no ambiguity in the law, and I would absolutely convict him.  But unfortunately the prosecution presented no evidence that Trump committed adultery in New York.

Anyone who spends a little time with semi-normal people already knew this. MSNBC is a bubble, but Joe likes to think Americans spend their mornings watching Morning Joe.

I think I know better than you as i'm in Europe and more familiar with European politics than you are. All you say is just "you're false, end of story", lol.

Democrats would be centrist. There are factions that would be left-wing but they're a minority within the Democratic Party. It's not like the squad, Bernie Sanders or even Elizabeth Warren dominate the DEM party. Biden's brand is basically christian democratic, which generally is even considered center-right in most nations in Western Europe.

No, you're just one European person with a particular political viewpoint. I posted an ANALYSIS that measured how left and right the Democratic and Republican parties would in be in peer countries.

That analysis directly contradicts your nonsense claim.

Walmart had pretty good earnings , maybe a shift of middle income consumers to trashier Walmart ?

Walmart said as much on its earnings call that more high earners were shopping at its stores mainly through its Walmart+ delivery.

we don't do plus, but we do pick up at store and have them shop for us and put it in the back of the car.  Like every other normal person, I like Wal Mart's prices, but gawd damn I hate going into their stores.  Wal Mart customers are the worst people on Earth (ya know, poor Americans).

Maybe it's because this is an upscale area, but our local Walmart is clean, spacious, and the customers (and staff) seem to be ordinary suburbanites for the most part.

the closest one to me is maybe a decade old and it's been a sh**t hole the entire time.  It was gross on the inside with months of opening.  If I have to go inside, I'll go to a different Wal Mart, the ones south and west are like you describe (but nowhere near as nice as the Targets in the same directions).  A mile west of the "bad" one is the nicest public school in the area (where I live), a mile east is Warren Buffet's house.  But there is little pocket of poors in between and they all shop at Wal Mart.

Superbowl doesn't count.

Well well well…

Gender gap is also 13 points. Is that typical?

That’s honestly not bad at all!

Liberal parties in Europe aren't left of center in Western Europe.

That's Lib Dem, LREM, etc. I don't consider that left-of-center really. That's center.

Agree with Republican being further right than most traditional conservative parties though.

You may dislike me for saying this but I stand by this. I don't think i'm saying anything controversial here.

What you're saying is false. That's it. The analysis that measured it proves you wrong.

Democrats would be left of center of Western Europe. END OF STORY.

I think I know better than you as i'm in Europe and more familiar with European politics than you are. All you say is just "you're false, end of story", lol.

Democrats would be centrist. There are factions that would be left-wing but they're a minority within the Democratic Party. It's not like the squad, Bernie Sanders or even Elizabeth Warren dominate the DEM party. Biden's brand is basically christian democratic, which generally is even considered center-right in most nations in Western Europe, though i wouldn't go as far for Biden specifically. Center fits it properly.

I don't think he is.

Perhaps for the USA he is, but that tells you a lot about the USA.

No, it tells a lot about the mindset of you and others who still believe in the "American liberals would be right-wing in Europe" falsehood.

That BS was already debunked: "The Republican Party leans much farther right than most traditional conservative parties in Western Europe and Canada...The Democratic Party, in contrast, is positioned closer to mainstream liberal parties."

SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html

Liberal parties in Europe aren't center of left in Western Europe.

That's Lib Dem, LREM, etc. I don't consider that left-of-center really. That's center.

Agree with Republican being further right than most traditional conservative parties though.

Don’t want to diverge from the thread topic too much, but I think the answer to this question depends on the issue. On some issues, Democrats may be “further right” just because of the baseline of where we currently are - for instance our healthcare system is nowhere near as robust as many Wueopean countries so Democrats goal here right now is to largely just get to where these other European countries currently are.

On a lot of social issues (I.e. gay marriage) the US has been ahead or in line of its Western European counterparts.

Most christian democratic and mainstream liberal parties in Western Europe also accept gay marriage as consensus and are pro-LGBTQ. There are exceptions, esp. in Eastern Europe which is generally more social conservative.

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For Belgium, i'd say the closest equivalent is a mixture of CD&V and Open VLD which are both center-right parties here. Vooruit, PVDA and Groen are all much to the left. N-VA is right-wing. VB far right. Republican voters would only fit within those latter two parties.