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Perhaps an even more telling- even saddening - demonstration of how popular butker's views are. His T-shirt is now the highest selling one in the NFL store.

I think part of that is that sports in general is turning into a clique for reactionary bearded men. Even real sports like football seem to be turning into MMA or NASCAR in terms of the type of fandom it attracts.

It doesn't help that football is horribly boring to watch now because of the penalties and commercial breaks. You'd have to be pretty weird to enjoy watching two hours of commercial breaks and another hour of watching people stand around waiting for the official review of every other play.


I also forgot to mention it's extremely expensive. You'd have to be a total asshole to waste money going to a game in person at this point, and you have to have cable or premium streaming services to watch everything. It's a mess.

This is false lol . The NFL just recorded its 2nd highest average ratings ever last season so it’s just as popular as it ever was . The fact is conservatives, liberals have both attacked the nfl constantly but in reality it has done nothing to dent the NFL’s popularity .

Also it’s false to say you need cable to watch the NFL as at least 90% of NFL games are broadcast on CBS NBC or Fox all of which you only need an antenna to watch .

https://fortune.com/2024/01/10/nfl-ratings-tv-second-highest-ever-football/

The ratings may not be declining, but the types of people watching it have definitely changed. Fewer and fewer young people care about sports and, regardless of what the ratings say, a lot of people who used to watch football regularly have given up on it. Not for political reasons, but because the experience is terrible. Nonstop commercials, nonstop penalties, nonstop official reviews, and it is less accessible than it used to be. "You only need an antenna to watch." Lol.

The Superbowl had the highest viewership of anything since the Moon Landing, you don’t get those numbers without universal appeal.

Superbowl doesn't count.

“Jewish voters are going to flock to the GOP!”

If Trump wins and does a good job in his second term then I will gladly support him if he wants a third term. There might be a way around the 22nd Amendment by nominating a puppet Republican nominee and putting Trump in as VP and market the ticket as Trump's 3rd term. Then if they win, the President resigns, and Trump takes power. This would likely have to go to court because the 22nd Amendment talks about being "elected" specifically but not necessarily the office itself.  

Well, at least you're admitting that you don't support the Constitution. Thanks for your honesty!

Don’t want to diverge from the thread topic too much, but I think the answer to this question depends on the issue. On some issues, Democrats may be “further right” just because of the baseline of where we currently are - for instance our healthcare system is nowhere near as robust as many Wueopean countries so Democrats goal here right now is to largely just get to where these other European countries currently are.

On a lot of social issues (I.e. gay marriage) the US has been ahead or in line of its Western European counterparts.

Your statement is true. However, it has to be pointed out that the primary reason why America isn't more economically in line with Western & Northern European countries is because of REPUBLICANS.

I'm an atheist because all religions are cults

I feel like you think this was an intelligent or insightful take.  Unfortunately, it’s pretty low hanging fruit spam of the neck beard variety.

This was not spam. This is my real opinion. Wasn’t intending to be insightful. You seem to have no sympathy for people whose childhoods were ruined by being raised religious. So instead, you decide to personally attack me because I quit the denomination you are a part of (probably because you see me as a traitor)

This seems like a ridiculous number of things to read into my comment, haha.  I did not insinuate you were some type of "traitor," and I certainly know nothing of your childhood.  However, I do think that this forum should generally be held to the standard that others' religious beliefs should be respected, and our discourse should come from a perspective of wanting to learn and have fruitful discussion ... and I think answering this OP the way you did functioned more as a quick dig at those of us who have a religion and didn't really serve as an actual answer in the spirit of the OP.

Liberal parties in Europe aren't left of center in Western Europe.

That's Lib Dem, LREM, etc. I don't consider that left-of-center really. That's center.

Agree with Republican being further right than most traditional conservative parties though.

You may dislike me for saying this but I stand by this. I don't think i'm saying anything controversial here.

What you're saying is false. That's it. The analysis that measured it proves you wrong.

Democrats would be left of center of Western Europe. END OF STORY.

I don't think he is.

Perhaps for the USA he is, but that tells you a lot about the USA.

No, it tells a lot about the mindset of you and others who still believe in the "American liberals would be right-wing in Europe" falsehood.

That BS was already debunked: "The Republican Party leans much farther right than most traditional conservative parties in Western Europe and Canada...The Democratic Party, in contrast, is positioned closer to mainstream liberal parties."

SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html

Liberal parties in Europe aren't center of left in Western Europe.

That's Lib Dem, LREM, etc. I don't consider that left-of-center really. That's center.

Agree with Republican being further right than most traditional conservative parties though.

Don’t want to diverge from the thread topic too much, but I think the answer to this question depends on the issue. On some issues, Democrats may be “further right” just because of the baseline of where we currently are - for instance our healthcare system is nowhere near as robust as many Wueopean countries so Democrats goal here right now is to largely just get to where these other European countries currently are.

On a lot of social issues (I.e. gay marriage) the US has been ahead or in line of its Western European counterparts.

It's giving recession vibes!

Yes, and I am glad you seem happy about it. This job market is f**king terrible.

What? With unemployment under 4%?

[atheists are incel neckbeards]

I'm an atheist because all religions are cults

I feel like you think this was an intelligent or insightful take.  Unfortunately, it’s pretty low hanging fruit spam of the neck beard variety.

This was not spam. This is my real opinion. Wasn’t intending to be insightful. You seem to have no sympathy for people whose childhoods were ruined by being raised religious. So instead, you decide to personally attack me because I quit the denomination you are a part of (probably because you see me as a traitor)

I, personally, hold no ill will towards you nor do I hold any ill will against Torie. I sympathize that religion was used as a form of abuse towards you. Some of us just think that pithy and derogatory comments ("religions are cults," "religious people are mentally ill," "atheists are incel neckbeards," "atheists hate God," etc.) are better reserved for other places.

That would have somewhat more resonance if you hadn't liked a post by RINO Tom that pretty much hit on that trope.

Guilty as charged for not taking the high road here, but I also would have never said that in this thread if he hadn't gone there first.  I have a genuine interest in the more high-level and respectful discussion on this forum, and I think it is clear that it was his comment that took us down this path ... in other words, I didn't click on this thread ready to call someone a neckbeard atheist, lol.

Walmart had pretty good earnings , maybe a shift of middle income consumers to trashier Walmart ?

Walmart said as much on its earnings call that more high earners were shopping at its stores mainly through its Walmart+ delivery.

we don't do plus, but we do pick up at store and have them shop for us and put it in the back of the car.  Like every other normal person, I like Wal Mart's prices, but gawd damn I hate going into their stores.  Wal Mart customers are the worst people on Earth (ya know, poor Americans).

Maybe it's because this is an upscale area, but our local Walmart is clean, spacious, and the customers (and staff) seem to be ordinary suburbanites for the most part.