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 on: Today at 12:07:17 PM 
Started by jojoju1998 - Last post by Badger
Bizarre that the most obviously true part of his speech - “Being a mother and homemaker is important and rewarding, and you shouldn’t let your career get in the way of that if it’s what you really want” - is the most controversial.

Because that isn't the point he was making.

You mean that’s not the point that you read in?

From a Facebook friend:

Here's a theology lesson: For Christians,the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament presents (among other things) guidelines on how YOU should live... not on how you should control how OTHERS live. Any ‘church” that teaches otherwise is one you should run from.

If the New Testament gives guidelines on how you should live, those same guidelines can be applied to others. Your Facebook friend posted gibberish.

Talk more when you are ready to give up your career and dreams so that your- checks notes - life can start by being a homemaker, father, and husband. After all, according to Harrison butker you've been fed the greatest lies in the world by saying that you can achieve more satisfaction in life outside of those roles.

I mean, are we waiting for him to retire to take up those roles tomorrow? Or is he just selling some double standard BS dressed up as Christian piety?

Badger, if my partner made millions of dollars a year playing sports, I would gladly be a stay-at-home husband, wouldn’t you? Or are you under the delusion that your job is more important than raising your kids and having more time to devote to your hobbies (sh!tposting on Atlas Forum)? If so, it sounds like you’ve bought into a diabolical lie!

I don't necessarily have a problem with the premise that having a successful career and raising a family can (and should) be harmonious.  Maybe that's what he was going for here (though I sincerely doubt it). 

Rather, it's the disturbingly high amount of men who still believe that women pursuing careers is a detriment to society.  It's one of the few places where I'm a hardliner: if you truly believe that, you're wrong.  No exceptions.  And Butker's statements have apparently empowered these individuals. 

Social media is not necessarily representative of real-life, but on posts about this story, many of the top rated comments are along the lines of "he's right, society was better before women entered the work force". 

Obviously, you'll always get trolls and troublemakers, but these posts get hundreds of likes -- signifying that there are a lot more people out there who believe this nonsense than there should be. 

Perhaps an even more telling- even saddening - demonstration of how popular butker's views are. His T-shirt is now the highest selling one in the NFL store.

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 on: Today at 12:06:23 PM 
Started by Logical - Last post by Lief 🗽
I know there will be champagne corks going off in Washington and Tel Aviv, but this is very sad. He was the legitimate head of state on a diplomatic mission. And the world has only Iran's restraint to thank for the fact that WWIII didn't break out after the wanton attack on its embassy last month.

It’s not sad at all. There was no possibility of WW3 breaking out and to the extent there was it’s because of the Iranian terror regime and their allies in the first place.

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 on: Today at 12:06:01 PM 
Started by jojoju1998 - Last post by Badger
Bizarre that the most obviously true part of his speech - “Being a mother and homemaker is important and rewarding, and you shouldn’t let your career get in the way of that if it’s what you really want” - is the most controversial. I’d think that the parts where he explicitly attacks political and church leaders would get more attention.

If he said parent then it wouldn’t have been as controversial. The role of a father is extremely important as well

To add onto this , this even applies to families where the mom is a stay at home mom . My mom was a stay at home mom till I was in high school but that did not mean my mom did all the work in raising me as my dad put in a lot of the work as well .

Most of the people who lecture others about this type of life almost certainly do so because they think it gives them the Excuse to do none of the house work or put in no effort in raising kids and that type of mentality is completely wrong .



Except lecturing others over this type of life is exactly what Harrison butker did.

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 on: Today at 12:05:14 PM 
Started by Logical - Last post by All Along The Watchtower
I know there will be champagne corks going off in Washington and Tel Aviv, but this is very sad. He was the legitimate head of state on a diplomatic mission. And the world has only Iran's restraint to thank for the fact that WWIII didn't break out after the wanton attack on its embassy last month.

Let’s not pretend that the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran is the head of anything really.

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 on: Today at 12:04:07 PM 
Started by jojoju1998 - Last post by Badger
Bizarre that the most obviously true part of his speech - “Being a mother and homemaker is important and rewarding, and you shouldn’t let your career get in the way of that if it’s what you really want” - is the most controversial.

Because that isn't the point he was making.

You mean that’s not the point that you read in?

From a Facebook friend:

Here's a theology lesson: For Christians,the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament presents (among other things) guidelines on how YOU should live... not on how you should control how OTHERS live. Any ‘church” that teaches otherwise is one you should run from.

If the New Testament gives guidelines on how you should live, those same guidelines can be applied to others. Your Facebook friend posted gibberish.

Talk more when you are ready to give up your career and dreams so that your- checks notes - life can start by being a homemaker, father, and husband. After all, according to Harrison butker you've been fed the greatest lies in the world by saying that you can achieve more satisfaction in life outside of those roles.

I mean, are we waiting for him to retire to take up those roles tomorrow? Or is he just selling some double standard BS dressed up as Christian piety?

Badger, if my partner made millions of dollars a year playing sports, I would gladly be a stay-at-home husband, wouldn’t you? Or are you under the delusion that your job is more important than raising your kids and having more time to devote to your hobbies (sh!tposting on Atlas Forum)? If so, it sounds like you’ve bought into a diabolical lie!

As would i. But the point is most of us don't have partners who earn millions of dollars a year taking a football. Most women work because they have to for starters. And more to the point it was beyond tone gift being downright sexist to tell a group of newly graduating young women - or frankly any group of young women - that they've been fed a lie about the joys of professional accomplishment and their lives will only truly start once they become a mother and homemaker

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 on: Today at 12:03:38 PM 
Started by Logical - Last post by SnowLabrador
If Raisi did in fact die in the crash, they'll find a way to blame Israel, and then it's World War III. We should not be celebrating this.

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 on: Today at 12:02:15 PM 
Started by AncestralDemocrat. - Last post by 2016
We’re in a weird place right now where the national polls are looking better for Biden but the swing state polls are still looking pretty bad for him. However this looks to be the same polling outfit that showed close races in the rust belt trio.

I’m not skilled enough to offer a thorough explanation for this, but I still feel better about Biden’s chances compared to a few months ago.
I don't think the national polls are looking that great for Biden?  It generally averages to Trump by less than +1.  Biden does have a few +1 or +2 leads out there, but that's not really consistent with the median state in the EC being all that competitive.  If 2020 was Biden +2, he probably gains nothing over Clinton 2016 in the EC except maybe Michigan.  If you assume Trump is getting an additional 1-2% out of NYC and Florida, maybe that nets Biden Pennsylvania and Michigan while Trump wins all his other 2016 states (and with the clear Hispanic R trend, NV).  That's basically what current state polling looks like.  Biden might be up in PA and/or MI but he's in huge trouble everywhere else, and state level polling in WI understates Trump like nobody's business.
Biden led the National Polling Average during the entire 2020 Cycle between 4-6 Percentage Points. He is nowhere near there this year.

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 on: Today at 12:00:40 PM 
Started by Logical - Last post by Farmlands
Was the helicopter sabotaged by Mossad by any chance?  If we find out it resulted in the deaths of everyone on it, then well done!

Looking at the heavy fog, it's likely that it was the cause of the crash, as it was with Kobe. Hacking a nuclear facility or striking an embassy is one thing, for which Iran did retaliate, but actually killing their President and Foreign Minister would be a pure declaration of war, which Israel almost unquestionably doesn't want at the moment.

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 on: Today at 11:56:59 AM 
Started by AncestralDemocrat. - Last post by Skill and Chance
FL is gone. Based on the rust belt polls from a few weeks ago this seems to confirm that the easiest path does in fact lie through those 3 states (MI/WI/PA)
That gets Biden only to 269. He would need NE-2 to win.

Can't believe I am saying this but for the first time in the History of the United States of America
269-269 seems legitimately in play this November.

You heard it here first: The EC is going to be a 269-269 split and Republicans are going to lose the House this November, but they are going to elect Trump president as their final act in power. It would just be too fitting.

The new house is seated before the electoral college convenes. However, they are still likely to control more state delegations (although the math is harder with Alaska in Democratic hands.)

Republicans currently control exactly 26 delegations (green = tied, which would mean no vote cast in a contingent election for president without bipartisan support for one candidate).



However, since it's the next congress that votes, we have to account for the likely changes.  Democrats have quite a good chance at flipping the delegation in AZ, but Republicans are sure to break the tie and pick up NC on the new maps in any situation where the national PV is remotely close.  Democrats control the PA delegation by one vote, and they have a representative in a 2X Trump seat who will have a tough race in this environment.  Democrats also control the MI delegation by 1 vote, but all their seats are pretty safe.  The best Dem pickup opportunities after AZ are probably flipping the western MT seat to tie or trying to flip the other eastern seat and create a tie in Kansas, both extreme longshots if the presidential election is close enough to be 269/269.  

In short, the NC remap ended any realistic chance for Dems to block a Trump reelection in a 12 Amendment vote.


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 on: Today at 11:55:13 AM 
Started by Logical - Last post by Beet
I know there will be champagne corks going off in Washington and Tel Aviv, but this is very sad. He was the legitimate head of state on a diplomatic mission. And the world has only Iran's restraint to thank for the fact that WWIII didn't break out after the wanton attack on its embassy last month.

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