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 on: Today at 11:34:36 PM 
Started by WV222 - Last post by ηєω ƒяσηтιєя
So this is going to be an unpopular opinion. But even though I agree with the verdict and I believe Trump is an absolutely terrible person, I think it would be in the best interest of Biden to pressure Hochul into pardoning Trump. It would be a real opportunity for Biden express that he’s a president for all Americans- and it completely strips Trump of his martyrdom argument. We’re in a completely unprecedented moment in American history right now and it is important that Biden take control of the narrative. If he doesn’t, Trump will, and we can only speculate about the violence that he’s willing to unleash on the country in response this conviction.
Hochul would rightfully tell Biden to "f**k off" if he ever tried that nonsense (which he won't).

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 on: Today at 11:33:02 PM 
Started by I spent the winter writing songs about getting better - Last post by 7,052,770
Ashli Babbitt is one of the worst Americans to ever live. If she'd gotten her way, our 250 years of democracy would have come to an end, with a presidential election wrongfully overturned in a coup, likely at the expense of dozens of Congressmen's lives.

We should downplay the seriousness of what she was trying to do and spin her as a victim herself.

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 on: Today at 11:30:53 PM 
Started by WV222 - Last post by 7,052,770

Why do you always think that we care about what Mitt Romney thinks about things? He's not a moderate or a centrist or some neutral party - he was the Republican nominee before Trump! We all fought so hard to keep him out of the White House. We (meaning Democrats) don't like him and will never be swayed by "oh, well if Mitt Romney thinks something, maybe I should too!" This argument is never going to sway anyone, and you should retire it.

The fact that Romney has become one of the comparatively better Republicans by default, simply because he is not a literal cultist, is an indictment on the Republican Party, and doesn't say anything about him.

"Hey OSR are you sure about [Republican position you hold]? I mean, even Hillary Clinton agrees with me! Aren't you swayed by that?"

For the record - we aren't swayed by Susan Collins and Brian Kemp's opinions either.

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 on: Today at 11:27:34 PM 
Started by WV222 - Last post by Burke Bro
So this is going to be an unpopular opinion. But even though I agree with the verdict and I believe Trump is an absolutely terrible person, I think it would be in the best interest of Biden to pressure Hochul into pardoning Trump. It would be a real opportunity for Biden express that he’s a president for all Americans- and it completely strips Trump of his martyrdom argument. We’re in a completely unprecedented moment in American history right now and it is important that Biden take control of the narrative. If he doesn’t, Trump will, and we can only speculate about the violence that he’s willing to unleash on the country in response this conviction.

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 on: Today at 11:26:15 PM 
Started by Lumine - Last post by Lumine
Midturn up.

Turn ends in three days, on Sunday at midnight.

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 on: Today at 11:25:39 PM 
Started by Lumine - Last post by Lumine
Mid-1802 News

The Action of 18 April 1802,
Wikimedia Commons

The Cape of Good Hope Incident
British forces refuse being relieved by Batavian expedition,
Naval skirmish takes place between rival navies,
Is the Treaty of Amiens at risk of collapse?

Despite the painful loss of Ceylon as part of the Treaty of Amiens and the general disregard shown for the Batavian Republic's negotiating position, a key accomplishment for Amsterdam was the clause that oversaw a British withdrawal from the Cape of Good Hope. Having had it seized by the Royal Navy in a traumatic and resounding defeat in 1795, the Republic was keen to recover the strategically-key Cape Colony, a much needed reassertion of their authority and colonial power after years of instability.

Backed by the influential ambassador Schimmelpenninck, the Staatsbewind resolved to establish firm control over the territory as soon as possible, authorizing the immediate start of an expedition meant to peacefully relieve the British occupation forces from their duties. Carrying the new would-be Governor General within the flagship Van Troomp, Batavian Vice Admiral Pieter Hartsinck made the c. three month voyage swiftly and without encountering difficulties. That is, until the Cape of Good Hope was sighted.

According to reports, an initial friendly talk between Admiral Hartsink and British Governor Francis Dundas soon turned into an acrimonious bout, with the Governor asserting that the Batavian expedition was unwelcome, and that the Cape Colony would be handed over based on eventual instructions from London. Hartsink, on the other half, accused the British General of deliberately not wanting to comply with the Treaty of Amiens, perhaps even under instructions. Although the details of what followed remain unclear, soon the Batavian and Royal Navy squadrons were locked in battle.

With mutual accusations of having fired first, a half-hour skirmish ensued, only being stopped by the intervention of two neutral vessels. The Batavians withdrew with a damaged frigate and two dozen dead, leaving at least a dozen British sailors dead and a fort heavily damaged. Hartsink sought refuge and found it by seizing the neighboring Saldanha Bay, managing to land several hundred men as a tense standoff has emerged in the region. With urgent messages sent to London and Amsterdam for instructions, observers in Europe wonder now if the Treaty of Amiens is not endangered by this unexpected incident.

Toussaint's Declaration of Independence,
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Birth of a new Republic
Treaty of the Seas shocks and stuns Saint Domingue,
Toussaint Louverture reluctantly declares independence,
New Republic of Saint Domingue to stand against Jefferson and Bonaparte

By all accounts, Governor General Toussaint Louverture felt confident and secure in his position after drafting and enacting his Constitution of 1801. Despite predictions by more militant and nationalist officers that the First Consul would react badly to Louverture's assumption of power for life and the abolition of slavery, few expected what was to follow. The signing of the Franco-American Treaty of the Seas by Secretary of State Madison and French Ambassador Louis-André Pichon utterly stunned most observers and, in particular, the Saint Domingue rebels. Far from any negotiations or talks, Paris would go directly for war, with the unforeseen aid of the United States of America.

Domestically, Bonaparte was to encounter some criticism within Republican circles over what appeared to be a war to restore slavery, albeit heavily muted through Fouché's permanent censure of the press and the general support for a close association with the American nation. In Washington DC, Jefferson was the subject of wildly contradictory reactions, with abolitionists and northern Federalists angrily chastising the President whilst southern Congressmen - Democratic Republicans and Federalist alike - widely cheered the President for a strong stance against what was seen to be a dangerous slave revolt. While the specific effects remain to be seen, the unpopularity and perceived radicalism of anti-slavery positions seem to have a strong majority of public opinion behind hostility to Louverture.

The reaction in Saint Domingue proper was one of confusion followed by outrage. White residents, many of whom collaborated with Louverture if only to try and deter more radical actions, proved terrified by the news given the lack of actual French or American troops on the ground, suspecting it could give the rabid former slaves reason to take drastic action. Louverture, who was said to be despondent for days, seems to have struggled mightily with his eventual course of action. In the end, and after several days locked in prayer, the former slave resolved that the Franco-American declaration simply left him with no alternatives, not even the faintest hope of a compromise.

Wielding his absolute powers as Governor General, Louverture had the Republic of Saint Domingue declared from Cap Francais, a sovereign and independent state in which he would transition from the office of Governor General to the title of President (for life). Paris and Washington had thrown the gauntlet, and the Louverture had thrown it back. Whether the new nation, the first one built by former slaves, could survive or even find any recognition remained to be seen.

Russian forces secure the Georgian Military Road,
Wikimedia Commons

The Tsar's on the move
Alexander I orders military surge across the Caucasus,
Controversial withdrawal under Tsar Paul reversed, Circassians revolt,
Qajar Persia on the brink of war with the Russian Empire

Although many reasons can explain the sudden death of Tsar Paul I at the hands of his own officers - still presented as a natural death according to the formal Russian sources -, one of them includes the decision to cancel a large military expedition to the Caucasus upon the death of Catherine the Great. The commanders, embittered by having been robbed of what they judged to be an inevitable victory over the Persians and Agha Mohammad Shah, would later join the conspiracy that brought an end to the controversial Russian monarch.

His son, while still very much a mysterious enigma to people and even to an important part of the court, was seemingly made of different stuff. Georgia, recently annexed by the Russian Empire and facing an uneasy occupation, awoke to the arrival of well over 20,000 troops under the new Governor General of Kartli-Kakheti, the fiery and fearless Pavel Tsitsianov. Tsitsianov wasted no time in quelling any sign of unrest, arresting the would-be heir to the defunct Georgian throne, Prince David Bagrationi, and most of his relatives. Despite some signs of defiance, the new Viceroy was ready to crush any resistance.

An additional 10,000 troops arrived in tow, intended to be used for an actual offensive across the unoccupied parts of Chechnya and Dagestan and thus ensure Russian dominance over the Caucasus region. The Russian troops experienced an early success after securing control over the Georgian Military Road, a key - if in heavy need of development - route into Georgia, but soon it became clear the number of troops was insufficient for the task ahead. Spurred into action, Circassian rebels arose across the region, remaining strong in the countryside or holed up in strong redoubt with full intent to resist Russian dominance.

Diplomatically, the news was to anger the Persian Shah, Fath Ali, as well as the still powerful Persian vassals that bordered Russian Georgia. Though stopping short of an actual declaration of war, the Persians have sent an ultimatum to St. Petersburg calling for an immediate withdrawal, all while the surviving Georgian claimant not under Russian custody, Prince Alexander, tries to mobilize anti-Russian assets within Persian territory. The response of the Ottoman Empire remains to be seen, as is the international attitude to Fath Ali, who has issued calls for foreign support to "contain Russian expansionism".

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 on: Today at 11:25:17 PM 
Started by Blue3 - Last post by Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden
The ambulance-chasing scumbag adulterer was closer to the truth here. Then and now.

 8 
 on: Today at 11:25:06 PM 
Started by WV222 - Last post by Benjamin Frank 2.0

Yes, the brain-dead Trump cult is actually brain-dead enough to believe this.

 9 
 on: Today at 11:23:40 PM 
Started by WV222 - Last post by Benjamin Frank 2.0



A couple lying hack Republicans saying it does not make it true.

They are consistent on this. Susan Collins isnt pro Trump either so this is an actual belief the GOP has . This is a massive break from decades of American precedent and that is not good.

If it's possible I'm sure Susan Collins has melted the pearls with all her clutching. She's a lying hack even if she claims she isn't pro Trump, and why should anybody believe her on that given that she's a lying hack.

The precedent itself is bad and Trump exploited it well passed the breaking point. However, this conviction doesn't even have anything to do with Trump in office.

When Richard Nixon said 'when the President does it, that means it isn't illegal' he was roundly condemned. This isn't a precedent worthy of respect.
If you were smart you would go to YouTube, search Alvin Bragg Campaign Spots or Ads and you would see that he exclusivly said in those Spots that quote "If you elect me, I prosecute Trump" unquote.

And Letitia James did the same thing in her Campaign Spots when she ran for Re-Election in 2022.

When you do these kind of things how can you be impartial then?

Myself, OSR, etc. We ain't dummies.

I'm familiar, Bragg didn't say exactly that, but the Manhattan County Prosecutor is an elected position and promising to prosecute a person for breaking the law is a normal part of campaigning for prosecutor.

It's the role of the prosecution to be fair, but they have a position and it's not impartial.

You are basically saying the prosecutor should do what I posted in that joking tweet earlier today.


You are definitely a dummy.

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 on: Today at 11:21:02 PM 
Started by Tekken_Guy - Last post by TML
[...]
One comparison could be Jewish voters - Trump landslided in most of the prominent 95%+ Jewish communities but Jewish voters as a whole are very D.

This is explained by the fact D-leaning Jewish voters are mostly Reform/Secular Jews and are thus more spread out in society, whereas R-leaning Jews are mostly Orthodox Jews (and their communities often have hardly any non-Jews living in them).

In terms of Muslims, I would guess that the most D-leaning Muslims are mostly "Cultural Muslims," whereas the most R-leaning ones are the most devout ones.

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