Israel-Gaza war

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

the atrocities they have spoken about today are absolutely inhuman, just like when Saddam's goons were pulling babies out of incubators, it looks like it's a good time for a Coalition of the Willing

Dude, please do not make that analogy, that was proven to be incorrect and the analogy actually just weakens your point (in fact it's exactly the sort of thing the Hamas apologists will make as "proof" all claims of atrocities are incorrect.)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Why doesn't mossad launch an operation eichmann style raid to grab the hamas top brass in qatar? Seems kind of ridiculous that gaza is being obliterated ostensibly to wipe hamas out while these fat corrupt creeps live in luxury?

I'm sure that plans for that are being drawn up right now. Prior to this they probably just weren't a big priority as Israel wasn't concerned with Gaza anymore.

[Horus]

the atrocities they have spoken about today are absolutely inhuman, just like when Saddam's goons were pulling babies out of incubators, it looks like it's a good time for a Coalition of the Willing

Dude, please do not make that analogy, that was proven to be incorrect and the analogy actually just weakens your point (in fact it's exactly the sort of thing the Hamas apologists will make as "proof" all claims of atrocities are incorrect.)

Wait, HillGoose is genuine in his views? I always thought he was playing a bit.

[NOVA Green]

it seems like fairly senior individuals within the Gazan government hierarchy didn't know about it.

this actually fits with standard Hamas MO: the militant wing operates more-or-less autonomously from the political wing at all but the very highest levels of the organization (none of whom reside in Gaza) - one could even describe the two wings as distinct parallel organizations with a shared label and joint leadership. Operational secrecy is paramount so members of the political side are only ever informed on a very strict need-to-know basis

somewhat reminiscent of, in Russian history, the distinction between the SRs and the SR Combat Organization

I believe that I was the first to post early on in this thread that we still did not know if this was ordered by the political wing of Hamas or the military wing, or possibly a combination of both.

We still don't know the exact details of the internal dynamics of Hamas with this, let alone the potential involvement of Iran, but I tend to agree with the general thoughts expressed by a few upthread, that had this been "orchestrated by Iran", we would likely have seen an initially much larger coordinated offense on multiple fronts, plus credible intel prior that such an offense was likely to occur.

Even among the splintered Palestinian factions, it does not appear that IJ knew what was coming prior, but rather once the holes were blown up in the wall, and the bulldozers finished the job at four different points, followed by Hamas fighters on motorcycles, etc... it wasn't until a little bit later that Islamic Jihad jumped into the mix to grab a bunch of hostages to exchange for their political prisoners in Israeli Jails.

[Aurelius2]

Why doesn't mossad launch an operation eichmann style raid to grab the hamas top brass in qatar? Seems kind of ridiculous that gaza is being obliterated ostensibly to wipe hamas out while these fat corrupt creeps live in luxury?

I'm sure that plans for that are being drawn up right now. Prior to this they probably just weren't a big priority as Israel wasn't concerned with Gaza anymore.

Yeah this is the kind of thing that takes advance planning. I would not rule out it happening in weeks or months; of course, now they have lost the element of surprise that may have been there if they'd done it preemptively, or even right when it started. Ideally you *should* have contingencies for this sort of thing, but (1) Israel is much smaller than the US and probably doesn't have the staffing to come up with unlikely contingency plans for every scenario in every country imaginable, and (2) the manner in which they were totally caught off-guard by the invasion on Saturday suggests that they aren't entirely on top of the ball to begin with.

In the meantime, Gaza is where the rockets are launching from and the terrorists are invading from. Decapitating the leadership won't get rid of the festering rank and file.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Journo cites channel 13 Hebrew, confirms the government was warned (and lied about not being warned):

https://twitter.com/lisang/status/1711824708746838214
Considering this and his 2019 comments on the need to support Hamas to harm the Palestinian movement, there is no sensible scenario in which Netanyahu benefits from a rally-around-the-flag effect. However, we're living in an age of stupid scenarios, and the Israeli electorate often makes terrible choices.

[PSOL]

Bibi was too racist to think this would be anything more than an “urban riot” a few minutes across the fence.

[It’s so Joever]

Entire family wiped out.
https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1711816527979196810?t=o0XwDh_Ps_KzKftF4Vy7EQ&...

It’s not a competition…

[dead0man]

Why doesn't mossad launch an operation eichmann style raid to grab the hamas top brass in qatar? Seems kind of ridiculous that gaza is being obliterated ostensibly to wipe hamas out while these fat corrupt creeps live in luxury?

hell, even a Muslim that actually cares about Palestinians should want to see their heads off

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Why doesn't mossad launch an operation eichmann style raid to grab the hamas top brass in qatar? Seems kind of ridiculous that gaza is being obliterated ostensibly to wipe hamas out while these fat corrupt creeps live in luxury?

hell, even a Muslim that actually cares about Palestinians should want to see their heads off

I think it's pretty fairly well established that the elites in the entire region simply do not give a damn about the average person there

[GALeftist]

You don't get a 1 free war crime punch card for having endured historical trauma or terror, nor do you get to inflict collective punishment for even the most heinous of crimes. In Syria, the Syrian Democratic Forces repeatedly liberated ISIS strongholds. They were confronted with civilian populations who were in many cases deeply sympathetic to one of the most monstrous groups in human history, a group which had inflicted unspeakable atrocities on them and their countrymen. They still consistently allowed for those civilians to escape the battlefield at great personal risk. I see no reason why Israel ought not to be held to this standard.

[NOVA Green]

the atrocities they have spoken about today are absolutely inhuman, just like when Saddam's goons were pulling babies out of incubators, it looks like it's a good time for a Coalition of the Willing

Babies pulled out of incubators spread during / after the Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait was fake news.

Story actually originated from Kuwaiti lobbyists on K-Street to influence US public opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

https://citizentruth.org/fake-news-1990-that-ignited-gulf-war-sympathy/

You are clearly out of your element Donny... (Assuming this isn't just another Hillgoose stint. )

[pppolitics]

Journo cites channel 13 Hebrew, confirms the government was warned (and lied about not being warned):

https://twitter.com/lisang/status/1711824708746838214
Considering this and his 2019 comments on the need to support Hamas to harm the Palestinian movement, there is no sensible scenario in which Netanyahu benefits from a rally-around-the-flag effect. However, we're living in an age of stupid scenarios, and the Israeli electorate often makes terrible choices.

The biggest security failure in Israel's history happened on Netanyahu's watch.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

LOL

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1711841607379460470?t=0oLV1D79cAuOlrGER1LuXw&...

Interesting job to get canceled from over this.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Journo cites channel 13 Hebrew, confirms the government was warned (and lied about not being warned):

https://twitter.com/lisang/status/1711824708746838214
Considering this and his 2019 comments on the need to support Hamas to harm the Palestinian movement, there is no sensible scenario in which Netanyahu benefits from a rally-around-the-flag effect. However, we're living in an age of stupid scenarios, and the Israeli electorate often makes terrible choices.

I’ve seen multiple people Online saying “this is Israel’s 9/11” or words to that effect. Presumably they meant that a right-wing government ignored clear warnings of an impending terrorist attack on their country and as a result, thousands of their citizens died?

[pppolitics]

I don't see how it's possible for Israel to fully eliminate Hamas in Gaza without the number of killed Palestinians getting far into the 5 digits at least. I suspect that the West will effectively allow them a certain kill ratio, after they will slowly start to exert pressure to wind down operations.

When it comes to Israel, the United States will look the other way as usual.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

LOL

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1711841607379460470?t=0oLV1D79cAuOlrGER1LuXw&...

Interesting job to get canceled from over this.

Does anyone under the age of 60 care about Playboy? Genuine question.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Journo cites channel 13 Hebrew, confirms the government was warned (and lied about not being warned):

https://twitter.com/lisang/status/1711824708746838214
Considering this and his 2019 comments on the need to support Hamas to harm the Palestinian movement, there is no sensible scenario in which Netanyahu benefits from a rally-around-the-flag effect. However, we're living in an age of stupid scenarios, and the Israeli electorate often makes terrible choices.

He's obviously absurdly pro Hamas, but as you say the Israeli electorate isn't the brightest.

[NOVA Green]

Maybe I might have missed a post or two, but surprised that nobody on this thread appears to have mentioned the Badr Brigades from Iraq threatening to attack US targets in the region if the US escalates.

"BAGHDAD, Oct 10 (Reuters) - Powerful Iraqi and Yemeni armed groups aligned with Iran have threatened to target U.S. interests with missiles and drones if Washington intervenes to support Israel in its conflict with Hamas in Gaza that already shows signs of expanding to further fronts.

The comments come amid strong support by the United States for Israel's response to the attacks and a U.S. pledge to rapidly provide additional munitions to Israel and deploy a carrier strike group to the Eastern Mediterranean."


https://www.reuters.com/world/senior-iraqi-political-figure-threatens-target-us-interests-if-it-backs-israel-2023-10-10/

[NOVA Green]

US munitions as promised arrive extremely quickly.

Assuming a lot of these are Anti-Air missiles, plus precision ammo which could be fired by multiple different weapon systems.

"The IDF spokesperson announced that a plane carrying ammunition from the U.S. landed in Israel overnight on Tuesday. According to the IDF, the ammunition will "enable significant strikes and preparation for additional scenarios."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-10/

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1711928227239797075?s=20
The hate is spreading on all sides, and so the world continues to burn.

For the people pretending like this is restricted to Pro-Palestinian protests, which I see a lot of above, you're delusional.

[NOVA Green]

Israel allegedly hits home of senior Hamas military leader killing family members...

"Palestinian reports: IDF targets home of Hamas military leader Mohammed Deif
According to Palestinian reports, the IDF attacked the home of Hamas military commander Mohammed Deif, in Khan Younis, killing his father, brother, children and other relatives."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-10/

[NOVA Green]

LOL

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1711841607379460470?t=0oLV1D79cAuOlrGER1LuXw&...

Interesting job to get canceled from over this.

Does anyone under the age of 60 care about Playboy? Genuine question.

Yes actually, even beyond the whole "read the playboys for the interviews crowd".

True story: Have a Son-in-Law whose Father was a Doctor who married a Playboy Bunny from New Orleans.

He was a bit older than her, and we lived in their house in PDX, when they went back to GA for almost a year during his dying days.

Anyways without going into excessive personal data dump, asked him a couple months back when we first showed up to celebrate our latest Grandchild.

My Son-in-Law a bit of a lush, but apparently his Father gifted him a complete Playboy Collection that ends at minimum some time in the mid 2010s.

Not quite sure what this has to do with Gaza, but would imagine that this artist and individual contributor is not dependent on Playboy to keep revenue streams continuing.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1711918310952980493?s=46

[Yoda]

The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

Well, a third of our population is Evangelical, and they prioritize Israel over America. Are Evangelicals in Brazil just as obsessed?

Not only is this an incredibly dumb thing to say, the Hamas attack actually makes it easier to pass a new round of Ukraine aid, as that money will now most likely be tied to an Israel assistance package. I know this makes the MAGA idiots/Putin apologists mad, but it's the truth. Sucks to be a state sponsor of terrorism right now as we'll be passing money to fight both Russian terrorists in Ukraine as well as Hamas terrorists in Gaza in about a month. Cry about it.