2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[NYSforKennedy2024]

May be a favorite son in some swing states with no labels

Just as full of sense as their existence

Would be kinda interesting to see something out of the 270sims game series - Biden v. Trump v. Romney v. Ryan v. Cheney v...

[Compuzled_One]

So RFK Jr. is somehow, impossibly, polling decently for a third party candidate-most aggregates have him in the mid 10's, and Quinnipiac alongside another poll has him at 22% (19% with Cornel for some reason). He's also apparently getting a lot of money and is rich as well.

Also, he's taking more from Trump than Biden. Guess those people who told me it wouldn't be even were right.

[Agonized-Statism]

Any updates on the Greens? Is it still pretty much just Randy Toler?

[MichaelM24]

Any updates on the Greens? Is it still pretty much just Randy Toler?

Pretty much. Another guy jumped in according to FEC filings - a Jorge Zavala - but his website (https://votejz.org/) doesn't scream "serious contender" to me.

I don't know what the Green Party's going to do, but I really feel like some of the members made a big mistake throwing most of their eggs in the Cornel West basket.

[Agonized-Statism]

Any updates on the Greens? Is it still pretty much just Randy Toler?

Pretty much. Another guy jumped in according to FEC filings - a Jorge Zavala - but his website (https://votejz.org/) doesn't scream "serious contender" to me.

I don't know what the Green Party's going to do, but I really feel like some of the members made a big mistake throwing most of their eggs in the Cornel West basket.

It's a real shame, too. A coopting of the Green Party that orients it away from single-issue environmentalism toward a broader left-wing platform that pulls labor, progressives, and minorities away from the Democrats before they inevitably throw them under the bus is what I've thought has needed to happen for a while now. But, it sounds like he got pushback from the cliquish granola liberals running the party for trying to do that and folded way too easily. I'll probably still vote West (or write-in, he really screwed up on ballot access), but when you change parties three times, it's just not a good look- it screams either incompetence, vanity campaign, or controlled opposition. Still like his platform though, and hopefully there will be another opportunity for that scenario down the road.

[PSOL]

Expecting anything from cash-strapped progressives with no organizational consistency is on you.

The Green Party did well relatively speaking this election season. Great performances in the South and ok retention in the northeast.

[Agonized-Statism]

Expecting anything from cash-strapped progressives with no organizational consistency is on you.

Maybe, but you have to start somewhere and broaden the tent a little while doing so. Not to derail the thread or anything.

[PSOL]

Expecting anything from cash-strapped progressives with no organizational consistency is on you.

Maybe, but you have to start somewhere and broaden the tent a little while doing so. Not to derail the thread or anything.

The party form of the duopoly is not efficient to win elections if they are not without large cash inflows.

[Morning in Atlas]

Any updates on the Greens? Is it still pretty much just Randy Toler?

Same thing we do every time, A-S.

https://twitter.com/drjillstein/status/1722641795568259561

[Open Source Intelligence]

So RFK Jr. is somehow, impossibly, polling decently for a third party candidate-most aggregates have him in the mid 10's, and Quinnipiac alongside another poll has him at 22% (19% with Cornel for some reason). He's also apparently getting a lot of money and is rich as well.

Also, he's taking more from Trump than Biden. Guess those people who told me it wouldn't be even were right.

The great unanswered question for Mr. Kennedy and Mr. West is ballot access and how are they going about getting it. You can be at 22% in a poll but if you're not on a ballot people aren't going to vote for you.

It was mentioned elsewhere that the Commission of Presidential Debates has compared to past cycles been incredibly silent not doing or saying anything on their website. The RNC did withdraw from CPD debates so there's that (an incredible own goal in my opinion considering you're going to have Biden on his own for at least an hour in 3 separate instances, so either Republicans cave in on the point or Biden is spared long periods of time talking), but also their previous arbitrary standard for excluding every 3rd party candidate in the past was 15% support. RFK Jr. is in these admittedly very very early polls above that number.

I suspect the CPD if we do get a debate will change their rules to ensure only 2 people are on stage, either by their own doing or through external pressure to Board members. It's never been this nonpartisan high standard everyone deludes themselves into thinking it is.

[Harlow]

Any updates on the Greens? Is it still pretty much just Randy Toler?

Same thing we do every time, A-S.

https://twitter.com/drjillstein/status/1722641795568259561

I laughed out loud when I saw this. She was supporting Cornel West just this summer when he was running with the Green Party, but now that he went independent I guess she decided to do it herself.

She may end up with more ballot access than he has simply because of the party line lol

[PSOL]

I wish Jill stein the best of luck, her floor of victory is around half of what she got in 2016.

[Continential]

Why isn’t Howie Hawkins running again?

[MichaelM24]

I voted for Jill Stein back in 2016. I'm open to voting for her again, but I have to admit that her backing of Cornel West's Green Party bid does strike me as sort of weak.

She should fly through the primary, though, with a ton of Green Party membership backing. I sort of wish that they'd not nominate the same candidate they've run twice before, but in this case, it may be an "in case of emergency" candidate.

[Comrade Funk]

[wbrocks67]

Honestly, it's quite possible that the third party candidates being such kooks may work in Biden's favor. Between Stein, West, and RFK, there is not a single serious candidate here.

[PSOL]

Honestly, it's quite possible that the third party candidates being such kooks may work in Biden's favor. Between Stein, West, and RFK, there is not a single serious candidate here.

Stein and RFK have the money and connections to be credible spoilers according to Democratic strategists.

[AltWorlder]

The funniest thing would be for these two retirees to do a No Labels run, tbh they are only slightly less kookier than everyone else mentioned

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1722613820273873341

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1722706250604089518

[flyboy1058]

When the GOP feels like they can't win an election they find someone who will TAKE away votes from President Biden. This Lackey named Joe munchkin has been paid by the GOP to run for president. He knows he can't win end it seems like he has a democrat but nothing is farther from the truth. He is a DINO! (democrat in name only)  He turns against Democrats in some situations because he was picked by dark money GOP's to hold up a bill that the GOP does not agree with. Notice he doesn't vote against Democrats every time because this would be too obvious and he would be outed.

Would you run for President of the United States? You know you would not because you know you would get beaten! Hello! Wake up and smell the coffee! This clown won't get 1 million votes. Is that really a common sense ticket??? I call it the trying to get vote away from President Joe Biden ticket. That's all this is! He is getting paid by dark money. Take a look at the luxurious houseboat he lives in that is paid by others well he's in Washington DC. he is a bought and paid for Dino who votes against Democrats when he is needed.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Aiming to help her friends and America's enemies once again.

[ReallySuper]

i was fully intending on voting for claudia de la cruz but the level of intense vitriol the democrats (still!) spew against jill stein is reason enough to support her

[PSOL]

i was fully intending on voting for claudia de la cruz but the level of intense vitriol the democrats (still!) spew against jill stein is reason enough to support her

Claudia is still a better candidate. It’s honestly better for you to just vote for the PSL candidate.

Saying this, I wish Stein’s campaign the best of luck.

[Dr. MB]

i was fully intending on voting for claudia de la cruz but the level of intense vitriol the democrats (still!) spew against jill stein is reason enough to support her

Claudia is still a better candidate. It’s honestly better for you to just vote for the PSL candidate.

Saying this, I wish Stein’s campaign the best of luck.

PSL is weird as hell and I wish another socialist party actually bothered to run candidates. They steal all the glory and especially now their 2024 campaign is running as the "Vote Socialist" ticket

[NYSforKennedy2024]

The funniest thing would be for these two retirees to do a No Labels run, tbh they are only slightly less kookier than everyone else mentioned

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1722613820273873341

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1722706250604089518

Romney is probably the only remaining person that could sway me from Biden tbh.

[The Mikado]

With Jill Stein on the Green Party line, she could get ballot access in almost all 50 states and take a solid 1-2% from Biden.

Not sure about "all 50 states" or even that close.

For example, the Green Party has literally never in its existence made ballot access in Georgia, Oklahoma, Indiana, or South Dakota. There's plenty of other states I don't think they'll make this time, but those four states in particular they've never gotten access in in any election since they first ran in 1996.

Greens last made ballot access in Nevada and Nebraska in 2008. There's other states they last made in 2012.