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« Reply #775 on: November 04, 2021, 08:08:45 PM »


The margin is widening as expected. There's no grounds for a recount. Why is he doing this?

Republicans no longer concede. Conceding defeat is considered weak. Instead the proper course of action is throw a tantrum and yell fraud until the next election.

Unless they win, in which case the vote was obviously free and fair.

He did attend "Stop the Steal" rally after all, so I'm not a bit surprised. Even then his spokeswoman made an excuse that he didn't know it was a "Stop the Steal" rally. (which is obviously an utter joke)
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« Reply #776 on: November 04, 2021, 08:55:46 PM »

So both VA and NJ will have same margin of ~2.5%?
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« Reply #777 on: November 04, 2021, 09:53:32 PM »

So both VA and NJ will have same margin of ~2.5%?

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« Reply #778 on: November 04, 2021, 11:05:08 PM »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pWm-E6k-nsFNQZU8oJpYxcN1iVuv2VpA1d0A_03rz1U/edit#gid=1371359546

We're not done counting yet, but it's safe to say the margin won't change too much.
I input my county-only results.

1) Not surprisingly, the highest turnout came from red counties. Their turnout mostly ranged from 59-66% of 2020 turnout. Some of the most important blue counties' turnouts were below 50% of 2020 turnout.

2) Cittarelli improved upon Trump's margin in almost every county by double digits except Hudson county, where margin roughly stayed the same. It is one of the counties Trump made significant inroad in 2020. You'd have thought Cittarelli could input more damage to it. Nope. Truly odd anomaly.

Many Republicans would have voted more if they knew it was going to be this close. Republicans that sat out this election thinking Murphy had it in the bag is going to be banging their feet.

For those interested, I have my bluest and reddest cities in 2020 in "Total" tab, which is the leftmost tab. The bluest city was East Orange City and reddest city was Lakewood.  Smile

Lakewood, huh?  So what did Murphy do to pass off the Orthodox community.
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« Reply #779 on: November 04, 2021, 11:12:38 PM »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pWm-E6k-nsFNQZU8oJpYxcN1iVuv2VpA1d0A_03rz1U/edit#gid=1371359546

We're not done counting yet, but it's safe to say the margin won't change too much.
I input my county-only results.

1) Not surprisingly, the highest turnout came from red counties. Their turnout mostly ranged from 59-66% of 2020 turnout. Some of the most important blue counties' turnouts were below 50% of 2020 turnout.

2) Cittarelli improved upon Trump's margin in almost every county by double digits except Hudson county, where margin roughly stayed the same. It is one of the counties Trump made significant inroad in 2020. You'd have thought Cittarelli could input more damage to it. Nope. Truly odd anomaly.

Many Republicans would have voted more if they knew it was going to be this close. Republicans that sat out this election thinking Murphy had it in the bag is going to be banging their feet.

For those interested, I have my bluest and reddest cities in 2020 in "Total" tab, which is the leftmost tab. The bluest city was East Orange City and reddest city was Lakewood.  Smile

Lakewood, huh?  So what did Murphy do to pass off the Orthodox community.

Believe that is the 2020 PRES results he was reffing...

We did see some similar results in various other Uber-Orthodox places in 2020 in certain communities in New York for example (But the tab was not 2021 NJ-GOV results).   Smiley
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« Reply #780 on: November 04, 2021, 11:18:42 PM »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pWm-E6k-nsFNQZU8oJpYxcN1iVuv2VpA1d0A_03rz1U/edit#gid=1371359546

We're not done counting yet, but it's safe to say the margin won't change too much.
I input my county-only results.

1) Not surprisingly, the highest turnout came from red counties. Their turnout mostly ranged from 59-66% of 2020 turnout. Some of the most important blue counties' turnouts were below 50% of 2020 turnout.

2) Cittarelli improved upon Trump's margin in almost every county by double digits except Hudson county, where margin roughly stayed the same. It is one of the counties Trump made significant inroad in 2020. You'd have thought Cittarelli could input more damage to it. Nope. Truly odd anomaly.

Many Republicans would have voted more if they knew it was going to be this close. Republicans that sat out this election thinking Murphy had it in the bag is going to be banging their feet.

For those interested, I have my bluest and reddest cities in 2020 in "Total" tab, which is the leftmost tab. The bluest city was East Orange City and reddest city was Lakewood.  Smile

Lakewood, huh?  So what did Murphy do to pass off the Orthodox community.

Orthodox Jews are just ultra-R federally. Murphy has actually done well with the Orthodox community of Lakewood, garnering the Vaad's (the rabbinical counsel) endorsement in both of his campaigns. Such what could've been a 20k vote net for Ciattarelli into a 4k net. A relatively important endorsement, worth .5% in margin. This is part of the reason Ocean didn't swing too much from the presidential. Ocean would've been 71-28 instead of 68-32 if the endorsement went the other way. I was surprised when the Vaad endorsed Murphy, given the tensions experienced because of COVID restrictions affecting them practicing their religion.
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« Reply #781 on: November 05, 2021, 06:12:08 AM »

There's only 3/4K more votes than this right now, does this mean barely any VBMs have been counted in Essex?

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« Reply #782 on: November 05, 2021, 06:13:04 AM »

Murphy (D) 1,271,272 (50.8%)
Ciattarelli (R) 1,214,732 (48.5%)

Murphy lead up to +2.3% (56,540 votes)
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« Reply #783 on: November 05, 2021, 09:55:58 AM »

Big takeaways from this are that the election communications from counties (which should be abolished) was a clusterf*** and that Republicans had a good night, putting them in position to possibly (<20%) take the legislature in 2023.
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« Reply #784 on: November 05, 2021, 10:09:43 AM »

Yeah, while Murphy obviously did much worse than his 2017 performance, this is like 2020 allover again, where the order of the ballots being counted are making this race appear a lot closer than it really was.

A 3-4% win would be a "Squeaker" compared to Murphy's 2017 win, yes, but a lot of the prevailing narrative right now is that he won by the skin of his teeth, which is... not correct, as he'll likely be at least 100K+ votes over Ciattarelli by the end of this.
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« Reply #785 on: November 05, 2021, 10:14:37 AM »

3-4% isn't really that bad either, historically, especially for a Dem Governor who actually raised taxes on the scale Murphy did. He's also the first NJ Dem Governor altogether to win re-election since...1977?
Sure, expectations were too high, and it almost feels like a loss, but a more realism-grounded perspective would have framed it differently.
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« Reply #786 on: November 05, 2021, 10:30:13 AM »

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« Reply #787 on: November 05, 2021, 12:37:19 PM »

So both VA and NJ will have same margin of ~2.5%?




Trafalgar had
Youngkin +2.3%
Murphy +4.2%

Incredible.
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« Reply #788 on: November 05, 2021, 12:39:56 PM »

It was always going to be tough to draw a 10-2 map that was waveproof, especially given the trends in South Jersey and the stubborn redness of the northwest. Probably best for D's long-term to go for 9-3, even if in the short-term it makes holding the House marginally more difficult. No reason to make any more incumbents vulnerable than you have to.

The Murphy spook and the Sweeney shocker, happening at the exact time that they did, certainly looks like it could pay dividends for Dems strategically. Always helpful to be reminded of your weak spots going into redistricting.
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« Reply #789 on: November 05, 2021, 12:45:27 PM »

So both VA and NJ will have same margin of ~2.5%?




Trafalgar had
Youngkin +2.3%
Murphy +4.2%

Incredible.
The rest of the remaining Vote, assuming NBC is right and they do have 290K left to count, is all VBM Vote which usually vote disporportionally Democratic meaning Murphys Margin is likely to grow.
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« Reply #790 on: November 05, 2021, 04:55:40 PM »

It was always going to be tough to draw a 10-2 map that was waveproof, especially given the trends in South Jersey and the stubborn redness of the northwest. Probably best for D's long-term to go for 9-3, even if in the short-term it makes holding the House marginally more difficult. No reason to make any more incumbents vulnerable than you have to.

The Murphy spook and the Sweeney shocker, happening at the exact time that they did, certainly looks like it could pay dividends for Dems strategically. Always helpful to be reminded of your weak spots going into redistricting.

 This. It's important to remember that New Jersey is still one of those States more likely to vote Republican at the state level than at the federal, but but given How If the 7th district is likely to play out next year and the closeness of some other seats, this is probably a good strategy
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« Reply #791 on: November 05, 2021, 08:14:23 PM »

Update-

Murphy (D) 1,280,877 (50.8%)
Ciattarelli (R) 1,218,262 (48.3%)

Murphy lead: +2.5% (62,615 votes)

~90% in
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« Reply #792 on: November 07, 2021, 05:53:47 PM »

CNN has

Murphy (D) 1,285,289 (50.9%)
Ciattarelli (R) 1,219,885 (48.3%)

Murphy +2.6% (65,404 votes)

However, they still have many counties with <95% reporting. Can't tell if it's a reporting error on CNN's site or there's actually quite a bit of VBM left to count.
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« Reply #793 on: November 08, 2021, 07:56:26 AM »

Looks like there's at least 57,000 votes left to be counted

"Democrats argue that there aren’t enough votes for Ciattarelli to overcome Murphy’s lead.  They estimate 57,400 uncounted provisional ballots and say Murphy has won 68.1% of vote-by-mail ballots that have come in since Wednesday."

https://newjerseyglobe.com/governor/murphy-campaigns-tells-ciattarelli-to-admit-he-lost/
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« Reply #794 on: November 08, 2021, 01:28:14 PM »

I would actually expect provisionals to lean slightly Republican. But yeah, Jack won't be making up that gap.
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« Reply #795 on: November 08, 2021, 01:38:04 PM »

I doubt Ciatarelli has a chance, but I also don't blame him for not conceding yet. He's not alleging a stolen election - he's just not conceding because not only aren't all the votes counted, no one can even agree on how many votes are left! NJ gonna NJ.
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« Reply #796 on: November 08, 2021, 04:21:16 PM »

Yeah, this is a mess. There's apparently tens of thousands of ballots left to count and New Jersey's count hasn't moved in days now.
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« Reply #797 on: November 08, 2021, 05:37:34 PM »

Does anyone have preliminary results by congressional district?

Curious as to the margin in Pascrell's district given that Biden "only" won it by 25 (versus 31 for Clinton, despite beating her statewide margin by a few points) and several Hispanic towns moved strongly toward Ciattarelli. Could be a tail-end seat (as in, the closest in the entire country) in a massive national wave if trends persist.
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« Reply #798 on: November 08, 2021, 07:24:33 PM »

CNN has

Murphy (D) 1,285,289 (50.9%)
Ciattarelli (R) 1,219,885 (48.3%)

Murphy +2.6% (65,404 votes)

However, they still have many counties with <95% reporting. Can't tell if it's a reporting error on CNN's site or there's actually quite a bit of VBM left to count.

A few more votes today, increasing Murphy lead to +2.7%

Murphy (D) 1,288,462 (51.0%)
Ciattarelli (R) 1,220,907 (48.3%)

This batch went Murphy 3,173 / Ciatarelli 1,022

Who knows if its VBM or provisional though
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« Reply #799 on: November 08, 2021, 07:29:21 PM »

I think VBM. They won't start counting provisionals until all VBM ballots are received, and today was the deadline.
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