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« Reply #2500 on: October 19, 2023, 04:22:26 PM »

Lib Dem line in Mid Beds is quite defensive, sounds more like they're geared up for third place than anything else.

It's almost like they're gearing up to repeat the line they came up with in Batley & Spen that their campaigning took Tory votes which were never going Labour.
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« Reply #2501 on: October 19, 2023, 04:36:15 PM »

It wasn’t even biblical levels of rains today either!
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« Reply #2502 on: October 19, 2023, 04:38:23 PM »

What time roughly should they finish the counts in these seats?
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« Reply #2503 on: October 19, 2023, 04:43:06 PM »

What time roughly should they finish the counts in these seats?

1.30am for Mid Beds and 3.30am for Tamworth (I think might be wrong way round!)
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« Reply #2504 on: October 19, 2023, 04:46:09 PM »

What time roughly should they finish the counts in these seats?

1.30am for Mid Beds and 3.30am for Tamworth (I think might be wrong way round!)

No, I think that's the right way round.  But I wouldn't put too much faith in these times, even if there aren't any recounts.
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« Reply #2505 on: October 19, 2023, 05:52:43 PM »

Also, I think everyone should perhaps prepare for the Tamworth election in two weeks to potentially "break the swingometer." Selby was itself the second largest swing from Tory to Labour ever in a by-election, with a 23.5 point two-party swing or 47.5 point change. This falls behind the 1994 Dudley West by-election,  with a 29 point swing or 58 point direct change.

Tamworth has a larger Tory majority than Selby, the circumstances surrounding it are better for Labour,  and we just got even more confirmation last night that Tamworth viscerally wants the Tories gone. It's not hard to imagine Dudley West getting surpassed.

My prediction, made this morning, is as follows:

54 LAB
33 CON
04 REF
03 LDM
03 GRN
03 OTH

I will now accept my accolades.
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« Reply #2506 on: October 19, 2023, 06:30:28 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2023, 06:40:15 PM by Mike88 »

35.9% turnout in Tamworth.

44.0% turnout in Mid Bedfordshire.
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« Reply #2507 on: October 19, 2023, 06:42:38 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2023, 06:50:57 PM by Torrain »



As they say - big if true.
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« Reply #2508 on: October 19, 2023, 07:06:40 PM »


As they say - big if true.

Lol at the LibDem spin trying to take credit for Labour's victory.
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« Reply #2509 on: October 19, 2023, 07:10:54 PM »

Yeah - it’s a weird line to take. If Labour do win, they’re piggybacking on a campaign they tried badly to suppress. And if Labour lose, they’ll be pilloried for vote-splitting.
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« Reply #2510 on: October 19, 2023, 07:18:30 PM »

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« Reply #2511 on: October 19, 2023, 07:23:36 PM »



This "senior source" could well be a Labour source speaking off the record, as Labour aren't officially claiming victory yet.
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« Reply #2512 on: October 19, 2023, 07:30:41 PM »



This "senior source" could well be a Labour source speaking off the record, as Labour aren't officially claiming victory yet.


It also in theory could be accurate, since we should be approaching a declaration there soon, and its not everything's very secret when the work is done.


As they say - big if true.

Lol at the LibDem spin trying to take credit for Labour's victory.

I think the key spin here is "Taken enough Tory Votes" cause thats what the Lib-Dems national focus is right now. So from the perspective of their partisans, the larger voter movement from Blue to Orange should be the story the press runs with, and thats what they are trying to set the stage for. Is it accurate? Well...
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« Reply #2513 on: October 19, 2023, 07:40:23 PM »

Peter Kyle (who’s been running the show down there), says Labour have done “very well” in Mid Beds. Still not calling it, but…
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« Reply #2514 on: October 19, 2023, 07:46:17 PM »

If some of these Mid Beds rumours are true the scale of the Tory collapse is going to be up there with North Shropshire.
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« Reply #2515 on: October 19, 2023, 08:10:40 PM »

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« Reply #2516 on: October 19, 2023, 08:17:57 PM »

At the same time the Labour candidate is all but claiming victory right now on Sky News in Tamworth.
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« Reply #2517 on: October 19, 2023, 08:22:17 PM »

Aye, and Labour’s Jonathan Ashworth is doing some sort of comedy routine on the BBC. All the body language says they’re home and dry. Mixed signals!
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« Reply #2518 on: October 19, 2023, 08:27:05 PM »

This Staffs journalist has been quite reliable in the past:

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« Reply #2519 on: October 19, 2023, 08:29:02 PM »

Tamworth declaration possibly within ten minutes according to Sky
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« Reply #2520 on: October 19, 2023, 08:38:48 PM »

Candidates gathering on the stage at Tamworth...
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« Reply #2521 on: October 19, 2023, 08:40:59 PM »

Not the Conservative candidate (yet).
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« Reply #2522 on: October 19, 2023, 08:41:09 PM »

Tory Candidate Andrew Cooper may be a no-show.
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« Reply #2523 on: October 19, 2023, 08:44:19 PM »

COOPER (CON) - 10,403
EDWARDS (LAB) - 11,719
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« Reply #2524 on: October 19, 2023, 08:44:41 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2023, 09:00:14 PM by YL »

Tamworth

Labour 11719 (45.8%, +22.1)
Con 10403 (40.7%, -25.6)
Reform UK 1373 (5.4%, new)
Britain First 580 (2.3%, new)
UKIP 436 (1.7%, -0.1)
Lib Dem 417 (1.6%, -3.6)
Green 417 (1.6%, -0.4)
OMRLP 155 (0.6%, new)
Longman 86 (0.3%, new)

Lab gain from Con
Majority 1316
Swing 23.8%
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