🇭🇷 Croatian General Election, April 17th 2024: President Milanović running for SDP
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« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2024, 04:16:19 PM »

wow, the SD split really flopped, huh? Unfortunate, because Milanović is a Putin bootlicker.
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« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2024, 04:35:20 PM »

wow, the SD split really flopped, huh? Unfortunate, because Milanović is a Putin bootlicker.
you have evidence of this claim?
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« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2024, 04:35:49 PM »

80% counted
HDZ+  62
SDP+  42
DP+    13
Most   11
M!         9
IDS       3
NPS      2
Fokus   1

Includes diaspora seats but not national minority seats.
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« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2024, 05:03:16 PM »

wow, the SD split really flopped, huh? Unfortunate, because Milanović is a Putin bootlicker.
you have evidence of this claim?

Just a small example:

Croatia rejects joining in EU’s Ukraine training mission

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The vote in parliament was held after Croatia’s president previously had refused to sign off on the proposal, saying it was not in accordance with the Constitution. President Zoran Milanovic has been an outspoken critic of Western policies in Ukraine. He has advocated that Croatia offer only humanitarian aid to Ukraine in the face of Russia’s invasion.

The government needed a two-thirds majority in parliament to get such a decision approved. The proposal did not pass because 97 out of parliament’s 151 members backed it — four fewer than needed. Ten lawmakers were against while the rest abstained or weren’t present during the vote.

Milanović was quite pro-Russian during his 2011–2016 term as PM, and after leaving office set up a consultancy firm with some rather suspicious connections to Moscow. As president, he's somehow managed to out-Orbán Orbán.

Highlights of Milanović's foreign policies include lashing out at the PM for visiting Ukraine, accusing the UK of goading Ukraine against Russia, saying that Russia deserves security guarantees from Ukraine, banning NATO aircraft from Croatian airspace, saying that the invasion is a US-Russian proxy war, calling the 2014 Ukrainian revolution a coup d'état, denying the Bucha massacre, saying that "it's the Ukrainians or those who incited them who are to blame for deaths of Ukrainians" and this quote which, yes, is real and was said this September: "we're currently watching how Russia is mincing Ukraine with very small number of soldiers".
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« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2024, 05:31:24 PM »

He also compared Ukrainian soldiers to the Ustase iirc.
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« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2024, 05:32:41 PM »

91% counted
HDZ+  60
SDP+  42
DP+    14
Most   11
M!        10
IDS       3
NPS      2
Fokus   1

Includes diaspora seats but not national minority seats.
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« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2024, 05:38:37 PM »

91% counted
HDZ+  60
SDP+  42
DP+    14
Most   11
M!        10
IDS       3
NPS      2
Fokus   1

Includes diaspora seats but not national minority seats.

change in seats from 2020 election

HDZ+   -6
SDP+   +1
DP+     -2
Most    +3
M!        +3
IDS      no change
NPS      +2
Fokus   -2
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« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2024, 05:48:16 PM »

Has Zoran Milanović reacted to this defeat?
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« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2024, 05:57:46 PM »

Share of the vote with 91.3% counted:

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« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2024, 06:00:14 PM »
« Edited: April 17, 2024, 06:06:46 PM by Storr »

Has Zoran Milanović reacted to this defeat?

I didn't find anything from a low effort google news search conducted while eating dinner. But I found a politico EU story which mentioned that Milanović called Plenković a "fire-spewing badger" during the campaign. As a furry, that just makes Plenković seem cool to me.

https://www.politico.eu/article/firebrand-populist-wins-chance-to-steer-croatia-away-from-pro-eu-and-pro-ukraine-path/
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« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2024, 06:48:34 PM »

The exit poll turned out to be very accurate. HDZ have only 60, including the three diaspora seats. DP without PIP takes them to 73 and 5 minority seats (all of the non-Serbs) to 78. Let's see if it can be done, and if so, how stable it would be. A new election cannot be completely ruled out.
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« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2024, 07:18:31 PM »
« Edited: April 17, 2024, 09:06:35 PM by Storr »



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Croatian_parliamentary_election#/media/File:2024_Croatian_election_map.svg
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« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2024, 04:25:22 AM »

The exit poll turned out to be very accurate. HDZ have only 60, including the three diaspora seats. DP without PIP takes them to 73 and 5 minority seats (all of the non-Serbs) to 78. Let's see if it can be done, and if so, how stable it would be. A new election cannot be completely ruled out.
and for most?
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« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2024, 05:23:43 AM »

I'm pretty certain that it's impossible. At least as long as Plenković leads HDZ. Remember that Most already governed with Plenković (in his first government) and left that government — at a time when Most had a less pronounced conservative profile. The ideological differences between them and HDZ have only increased ever since.

Croatian media report that Plenković would ideally like to avoid DP. But I don't see how. Even with all 9 minority seats, the Istrians of IDS (2), the Northerners of NPS (2), and Fokus (1, and he has already said he will not support HDZ) Plenković only gets to 75. Yet another alternative path would run via Možemo and the 9 national minorities, which does get him over the barrier, but I think quite a lot of water would have to flow through the Sava for that to happen.
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« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2024, 06:53:57 AM »

Has Zoran Milanović reacted to this defeat?

I didn't find anything from a low effort google news search conducted while eating dinner. But I found a politico EU story which mentioned that Milanović called Plenković a "fire-spewing badger" during the campaign. As a furry, that just makes Plenković seem cool to me.

https://www.politico.eu/article/firebrand-populist-wins-chance-to-steer-croatia-away-from-pro-eu-and-pro-ukraine-path/

as a fellow furry, I also concur.
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