Israel-Gaza war

[Arizona Iced Tea]

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1721657851700277638?t=ZKxFfbfLbHT70QhEEk...
This is horrific but you need to force yourself to watch this to be aware of the cruelty implemented by Israel.

Now show the Kibbutzim which were ruthlessly attacked and indiscriminately slaughtered. I support a ceasefire and a return to 1967 borders but I am tired of the selective propaganda by both sides on here.
That goes for you too, Hollywood.

The difference everyone knows Hamas are terrorists. Many people still think Israel is heroic despite this genocide.

[Vosem]

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1721657851700277638?t=ZKxFfbfLbHT70QhEEk...
This is horrific but you need to force yourself to watch this to be aware of the cruelty implemented by Israel.

Now show the Kibbutzim which were ruthlessly attacked and indiscriminately slaughtered. I support a ceasefire and a return to 1967 borders but I am tired of the selective propaganda by both sides on here.
That goes for you too, Hollywood.

The difference everyone knows Hamas are terrorists. Many people still think Israel is heroic despite this genocide.

They are heroic because they are fighting the terrorists. The one directly flows from the other and the two are inseparable.

Also, come on, if you were doing a "genocide" you wouldn't have people calling to warn of strikes ahead of time, as Israel does. I don't think America does this -- maybe in Yemen under Obama, but pre-2010s America certainly didn't -- and I know the countries my ancestors fought for never did. Like, somebody calling from "Israeli intelligence" with accurate Israeli intelligence is actually on the payroll of the Israeli government. None of this stuff is even remotely mandated by international law, which lets you bomb actual military targets regardless of what other uses they're being applied for.

Also, non-signatories who do not themselves abide by the Geneva Conventions are not protected by them; on an important level this isn't even the type of conflict to which those rules apply, though Israel is going beyond them anyway in a misguided effort to appease Western mainstream news organizations, who inshallah will not exist after the next Republican Administration.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1721657851700277638?t=ZKxFfbfLbHT70QhEEk...
This is horrific but you need to force yourself to watch this to be aware of the cruelty implemented by Israel.

Now show the Kibbutzim which were ruthlessly attacked and indiscriminately slaughtered. I support a ceasefire and a return to 1967 borders but I am tired of the selective propaganda by both sides on here.
That goes for you too, Hollywood.

The difference everyone knows Hamas are terrorists. Many people still think Israel is heroic despite this genocide.

They are heroic because they are fighting the terrorists. The one directly flows from the other and the two are inseparable.

Also, come on, if you were doing a "genocide" you wouldn't have people calling to warn of strikes ahead of time, as Israel does. I don't think America does this -- maybe in Yemen under Obama, but pre-2010s America certainly didn't -- and I know the countries my ancestors fought for never did. Like, somebody calling from "Israeli intelligence" with accurate Israeli intelligence is actually on the payroll of the Israeli government. None of this stuff is even remotely mandated by international law, which lets you bomb actual military targets regardless of what other uses they're being applied for.

Also, non-signatories who do not themselves abide by the Geneva Conventions are not protected by them; on an important level this isn't even the type of conflict to which those rules apply, though Israel is going beyond them anyway in a misguided effort to appease Western mainstream news organizations, who inshallah will not exist after the next Republican Administration.

Far more Palestinians have died especially women and children from Israeli bombing than the initial attack done against Israel by Hamas. Hamas absolutely doesn't have the moral high ground here, but I don't think Israel can claim it either.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1721657851700277638?t=ZKxFfbfLbHT70QhEEk...
This is horrific but you need to force yourself to watch this to be aware of the cruelty implemented by Israel.

.....

We're unironically posting partisangirl tweets again?

[Vosem]

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1721657851700277638?t=ZKxFfbfLbHT70QhEEk...
This is horrific but you need to force yourself to watch this to be aware of the cruelty implemented by Israel.

Now show the Kibbutzim which were ruthlessly attacked and indiscriminately slaughtered. I support a ceasefire and a return to 1967 borders but I am tired of the selective propaganda by both sides on here.
That goes for you too, Hollywood.

The difference everyone knows Hamas are terrorists. Many people still think Israel is heroic despite this genocide.

They are heroic because they are fighting the terrorists. The one directly flows from the other and the two are inseparable.

Also, come on, if you were doing a "genocide" you wouldn't have people calling to warn of strikes ahead of time, as Israel does. I don't think America does this -- maybe in Yemen under Obama, but pre-2010s America certainly didn't -- and I know the countries my ancestors fought for never did. Like, somebody calling from "Israeli intelligence" with accurate Israeli intelligence is actually on the payroll of the Israeli government. None of this stuff is even remotely mandated by international law, which lets you bomb actual military targets regardless of what other uses they're being applied for.

Also, non-signatories who do not themselves abide by the Geneva Conventions are not protected by them; on an important level this isn't even the type of conflict to which those rules apply, though Israel is going beyond them anyway in a misguided effort to appease Western mainstream news organizations, who inshallah will not exist after the next Republican Administration.

Far more Palestinians have died especially women and children from Israeli bombing than the initial attack done against Israel by Hamas. Hamas absolutely doesn't have the moral high ground here, but I don't think Israel can claim it either.

When a foreign organization conducts an attack on your country and tries to hold its territory, you're absolutely justified in taking legal measures to destroy it regardless of collateral damage. The idea that Palestinians killing some number of Israelis gives Israelis a right to kill an equivalent number of Palestinians is insane (that's not how criminal law or any non-insanely-racist system of morality works); Hamas carrying out a terrorist attack -- or for that matter controlling territory which belongs to Israel -- gives Israel the right to do whatever it takes to destroy it. The limits are not very constraining and Israel has worked within them.

(Like, if your family kills me, my family does not have the right to retaliate by killing one of your family members. That's absurd. The state has the right to retaliate by prosecuting anyone who participated in planning or carrying out the attack, and ideally the penalty for accessory to murder should be execution for all of those individuals. If your family takes hostages, like the Gazan regime did, then different schools of thought exist, but my personal belief is that the best practice is the Soviet one, which is that you should not behave in a way that encourages the next group of criminals to take hostages, and in the long run executing justice will save more lives than sacrificing justice on the altar of saving hostages.)

Anyway, Israel obviously has the moral high ground, to such an extent that it's kind of ridiculous and what they should be doing is coming down from the clouds, and not spending government money on above-and-beyond efforts which are not mandated by international law.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://twitter.com/ttjktyrt/status/1721949915272888693

A random socialist from India said it on twitter. A truly amazing source.

And you don't even check the replies

https://twitter.com/MarkZlochin/status/1721790120255254938

Yeah this is true and I noticed that even with just the image in the original tweet. However the percentage of those killed who aren't Hamas members is no doubt still disturbingly high, and Bibi doesn't seem to be concerned with that at all.

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/1720803333546320324

[Vosem]

https://twitter.com/ttjktyrt/status/1721949915272888693

A random socialist from India said it on twitter. A truly amazing source.

And you don't even check the replies

https://twitter.com/MarkZlochin/status/1721790120255254938

Yeah this is true and I noticed that even with just the image in the original tweet. However the percentage of those killed who aren't Hamas members is no doubt still disturbingly high, and Bibi doesn't seem to be concerned with that at all.

They're hiring people whose job it is to individually call at-risk Gazans and tell them to get out of the way! How is it possible to care more without giving up on winning the war?

[GALeftist]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/08/blinken-gaza-future-reoccupation-indefinite/

Has the USA ever given Israel explicit, public red lines with respect to the Palestinian Territories like this before?

[All Along The Watchtower]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/08/blinken-gaza-future-reoccupation-indefinite/

Has the USA ever given Israel explicit, public red lines with respect to the Palestinian Territories like this before?

Paywalled.

[It’s so Joever]

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1721657851700277638?t=ZKxFfbfLbHT70QhEEk...
This is horrific but you need to force yourself to watch this to be aware of the cruelty implemented by Israel.

Now show the Kibbutzim which were ruthlessly attacked and indiscriminately slaughtered. I support a ceasefire and a return to 1967 borders but I am tired of the selective propaganda by both sides on here.
That goes for you too, Hollywood.

The difference everyone knows Hamas are terrorists. Many people still think Israel is heroic despite this genocide.

You know what? This is a valid point, carry on.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Israeli police gathering evidence of gang rapes during the October 7 massacre.

Haaretz Article - Gang Rape



Members of Zaka in Be'eri, last month. Credit: Olivier Fiitoussi

"Until now, clear evidence of sex crimes has come from accounts by members of Zaka, the ultra-Orthodox volunteer organization that helps to retrieve and identify bodies. Their accounts described many bodies of women who were naked and bore signs of brutality and abuse."

Israeli coroners previously reported evidence of sexual abuse following examination of dead female victims, but now eye witness accounts are being presented and recorded.

In particular, many Hamas terrorists were captured by the IDF following the massacre on October 7, hence Police are keen to gather evidence to put together for individual cases against these militants.

[Pres Mike]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/08/blinken-gaza-future-reoccupation-indefinite/

Has the USA ever given Israel explicit, public red lines with respect to the Palestinian Territories like this before?

The US also says Israel shouldn't build more settlements. They do anyway.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Reuters never altered their story on the hospital car park.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/least-500-victims-israeli-air-strike-hospital-gaza-health-ministry-2023-10-17/

Perfect time capsule into the lies produced by the Hamas media machine and how easily misled the World became.

The final death toll was estimated at only 40, and those were mainly from shrapnel and fire from the Jihad rocket.

There were hints of the truth in the Israeli comments, but they were ignored in favour of reporting a more catastrophic outcome.

This filter still needs to be applied, especially with BBC and ABC.

For example, MSNBC reported the Jewish guy in Sherman Oaks who was killed as "hitting head".

Megan Kelly

https://youtu.be/cXLbtJ7lzL4

[emailking]

Israel will begin 4-hour pauses in military operations in Gaza each day, White House says

Israel will begin to implement four-hour pauses of military operations in areas of Northern Gaza each day, a White House spokesman said Thursday.

The pauses are meant to allow for humanitarian assistance to get into the besieged enclave and allow civilians to flee away from the fighting.

John Kirby, the National Security Council spokesman, said Israel would announce the timing of the pauses three hours beforehand.

“We’ve been told by the Israelis that there will be no military operations in these areas over the duration of the pause, and that this process is starting today,” Kirby said, calling it “steps in the right direction.”

Kirby said Israel’s decision to allow four-hour pauses came after “an awful lot of engagement by the administration to try to make sure that humanitarian assistance could get in and people could get out safely.” He added that the pauses would provide “brief windows of opportunity” for safe passage of hostages being held by Hamas

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/09/politics/israel-pauses-gaza-white-house/index.html

[🇺🇦 Purple 🦄 Unicorn 🇮🇱]

Today is the 85th anniversary of the Nazi pogroms against Jews.

The Nazis would likely be proud of Hamas and their stupid supporters today all over the world.

[Vosem]

https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1722701482250637726

https://twitter.com/gantzbe/status/1722535046400061853

Hopefully this statement from Gantz will mark the start of a less restrained period in the Israeli military response, particularly towards enemy journalists. Unfortunately it might take a Republican Administration to sign off on apprehending such figures outside the territories of Israel and Palestine themselves.

[Hindsight was 2020]

The accusation that western media knew about the attack in advance seems shaky at best and not really grounds for such vile rhetoric Vosem

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Yeah, what I imagine this actually means is that major news outlets will very quickly disavow some Palestinian freelancers who were in league with Hamas, and those unemployed ex-journos will then find themselves in Mossad crosshairs.

[Vosem]

The accusation that western media knew about the attack in advance seems shaky at best and not really grounds for such vile rhetoric Vosem

What, "apprehending"? I think there is substantial, credible evidence that they should have known and behaved in a criminally negligent way. (Not necessarily that they should have known about the details of the attack and warned Israel, but that they should have known they were paying members of terrorist groups and that the money would reasonably go towards attacks on civilians.) I don't think that under the current Administration a federal case will be made out of it, which is what it would take, although I hope I'm wrong.

Hopefully relatives of individuals who died on 10/7 who lived in the United States will at the very least get to hold these institutions civilly liable, and see as many of them as possible go to the same places as Gawker and Jezebel.

(But, more generally -- as my reference to Duranty the other day in this thread was meant to point out -- mainstream American media have had a culture of aiding and abetting the murder and starvation of people for around a century at this point. They have a lot to answer for.)

[All Along The Watchtower]

Israel really embracing the attitude towards the media of its Abraham Accords partners.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Yeah, what I imagine this actually means is that major news outlets will very quickly disavow some Palestinian freelancers who were in league with Hamas, and those unemployed ex-journos will then find themselves in Mossad crosshairs.

Yes. From what I have seen, most journalists have every piece of footage scrutinised before it is about to be released.

So essentially they are Hamas journalists. So if they were embedded on October 7, they can argue they did not know or they were simply following instructions from Hamas.

[pppolitics]

https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1722701482250637726

https://twitter.com/gantzbe/status/1722535046400061853

Hopefully this statement from Gantz will mark the start of a less restrained period in the Israeli military response, particularly towards enemy journalists. Unfortunately it might take a Republican Administration to sign off on apprehending such figures outside the territories of Israel and Palestine themselves.

You have to be really naïve to believe this.

This is just an attempt for the Israelis to defect blame and justify attacks on journalists.

[Vosem]

Yeah, what I imagine this actually means is that major news outlets will very quickly disavow some Palestinian freelancers who were in league with Hamas, and those unemployed ex-journos will then find themselves in Mossad crosshairs.

Yes. From what I have seen, most journalists have every piece of footage scrutinised before it is about to be released.

So essentially they are Hamas journalists. So if they were embedded on October 7, they can argue they did not know or they were simply following instructions from Hamas.

This scenario still amounts to mainstream news organizations either knowingly paying Hamas members or finding themselves in a situation where they should have known they were paying Hamas members, which is flatly illegal.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

https://twitter.com/ASE/status/1722280644804223290

Based minister!