UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[YL]

I'm sure Al knows far more about this than I do, but from what I've read about the early council housing in Sheffield it seems that the fact that it was too expensive for the worst off was regarded as a problem by those who cared about such things.

This would have been before the Labour Party was much of a force, even in Sheffield; the housing I'm talking about was built before the First World War.

(See Municipal Dreams on the Flower Estate, for example.)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'm sure Al knows far more about this than I do, but from what I've read about the early council housing in Sheffield it seems that the fact that it was too expensive for the worst off was regarded as a problem by those who cared about such things.

This would have been before the Labour Party was much of a force, even in Sheffield; the housing I'm talking about was built before the First World War.

(See Municipal Dreams on the Flower Estate, for example.)

Yes: the problem with early council housing (i.e. the earliest experimental projects built before either any of the Interwar Housing Acts, such as the estate looked at there) was that because councils had limited financial means, the size of the new estates were very small and the rents charged were beyond those of the theoretical target market of upper/skilled working class families. Now, the thinking with slum dwellers until the 1930s was that they would be able to move into the houses vacated by the families who had moved to new council estates and that the problem would broadly solve itself, but it turned out that, mostly, they could not afford to do so.

[Zinneke]

https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1656671961278459907


This is one of the reason's I'm critical of Starmer : there is no evidence he'll reform these kind of institutions, because he was very much part of them and the "that's the way we do things here"

He was after all the DPP that dropped the case against what are widely believe to be the network of perps.

[CumbrianLefty]

Starmer did several things as DPP, far from all of them bad.

There is also the age old argument, of course, that failing systems can only really be rescued by those who were previously "insiders" - as they know better what works and what doesn't.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Unlike public prosecutors in a lot of other country, DPP is a very technical post in practice: if the evidence to prosecute doesn't exist ('exist' here being defined as: 'known to exist and also accessible') or there are other reasons to suspect that a trial would collapse, then a decision to prosecute will always be dropped as they're only supposed to sign off on a prosecution if there is a reasonable chance of success. There is, inevitably, a formula and everything.

[CumbrianLefty]

Our PM went to watch "his" club Southampton FC yesterday, to say that he looked like a fish out of water is maybe understating it. Not to mention that they lost and were formally relegated.

[MayorCarcetti]

Our PM went to watch "his" club Southampton FC yesterday, to say that he looked like a fish out of water is maybe understating it. Not to mention that they lost and were formally relegated.

I'm amazed out of all the games he could have gone to, his advisors let him got to this one. It was obvious this was a match that could see Southampton go down, surely they knew the optics of a beleaguered PM seeing 'his team' being relegated are not good.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'm increasingly starting to wonder if he actually has any PR people working for him.

[TheTide]

Our PM went to watch "his" club Southampton FC yesterday, to say that he looked like a fish out of water is maybe understating it. Not to mention that they lost and were formally relegated.

Random but related fact: their former chairman Rupert Lowe was elected as an MEP for the Brexit Party in the farcical elections of 2019.

[MayorCarcetti]

Just for anyone wondering the allegiances of the other recent prime ministers:

Wilson: Huddersfield Town (his hometown club)

Callaghan: not a big football fan, but his native club Portsmouth once asked him for digout when they were on hard times

Thatcher: her dislike of football and it's fans is well known but she was rather incredibly made Honorary Vice President of Blackburn Rovers by owner Jack Walker in the 90s.

Major: huge Chelsea fan, frequently seen at Stamford Bridge

Blair: famously a Newcastle fan, it was once claimed a young Tony sat in the Gallowgate end and saw Jackie Milburn play, something that was impossible as the Gallowgate didn't have seats until many years after Wor Jackie left. Campbell later admitted he made it up

Brown: a Raith Rovers fan, he handed programmes at Starks Park as a child.

Cameron: infamously said he was a West Ham fan when he previously had claimed to be a Villa fan. His support for the other team in claret and blue comes from his uncle Sir William Dudgale being the chairman in their early 80s glory days.

May: Not a big football fan but reportedly has a soft spot for AFC Wimbledon (and the original club) due to her time as a councillor in Merton.

Johnson: typically Boris claimed to be a fan of all the London clubs.

Truss: a Norwich fan - although a Leeds native, she supports the team of her constituency.

[TheTide]

Thatcher: her dislike of football and it's fans is well known but she was rather incredibly made Honorary Vice President of Blackburn Rovers by owner Jack Walker in the 90s.

Of course there were two major domestic football disasters (Bradford and Hillsborough) during her stint and her responses to both were perhaps not entirely adequate.

[YL]

"Interesting" comments about voter ID from Jacob Rees-Mogg this morning.

[Blair]

Just for anyone wondering the allegiances of the other recent prime ministers:

Wilson: Huddersfield Town (his hometown club)

Callaghan: not a big football fan, but his native club Portsmouth once asked him for digout when they were on hard times

Thatcher: her dislike of football and it's fans is well known but she was rather incredibly made Honorary Vice President of Blackburn Rovers by owner Jack Walker in the 90s.

Major: huge Chelsea fan, frequently seen at Stamford Bridge

Blair: famously a Newcastle fan, it was once claimed a young Tony sat in the Gallowgate end and saw Jackie Milburn play, something that was impossible as the Gallowgate didn't have seats until many years after Wor Jackie left. Campbell later admitted he made it up

Brown: a Raith Rovers fan, he handed programmes at Starks Park as a child.

Cameron: infamously said he was a West Ham fan when he previously had claimed to be a Villa fan. His support for the other team in claret and blue comes from his uncle Sir William Dudgale being the chairman in their early 80s glory days.

May: Not a big football fan but reportedly has a soft spot for AFC Wimbledon (and the original club) due to her time as a councillor in Merton.

Johnson: typically Boris claimed to be a fan of all the London clubs.

Truss: a Norwich fan - although a Leeds native, she supports the team of her constituency.

Brown, in the manner of most people like him, was a fanatic fan and aced a quiz on raith rovers when he appeared on Soccer AM- his close aide Damian Mcbride recalled a press story about him being seen around the club on transfer deadline day.

Would pay good money to see him run a club.

[Blair]

"Interesting" comments about voter ID from Jacob Rees-Mogg this morning.

Between this, the weird speech about childcare and one high profile backbenchers warning London could turn into the GDR if we built too many houses the Tory party has a very clear problem of too many people who frankly can’t stay quiet.

Always happens to big governments at the end- it’s like hearing the 20th Charles Clarke intervention in 2009!

[Torrain]

"Interesting" comments about voter ID from Jacob Rees-Mogg this morning.

I knew this "National Conservative" conference would produce a news-making soundbite or two, but I assumed it would be Miriam Cates doing her Gilead routine, rather than Rees-Mogg announcing "we did gerrymandering, and I was in cabinet to see it happen".

[CumbrianLefty]

Always happens to big governments at the end- it’s like hearing the 20th Charles Clarke intervention in 2009!

Now, there was a 2010 Labour loss that I wasn't too upset about.

[JimJamUK]

I knew this "National Conservative" conference would produce a news-making soundbite or two, but I assumed it would be Miriam Cates doing her Gilead routine, rather than Rees-Mogg announcing "we did gerrymandering, and I was in cabinet to see it happen".

Credibly rumoured on another forum to have tried to join the Lib Dems but ultimately joined the Tories when the former wouldn’t give her a safe council seat. Quite the journey since I assume.

[Torrain]

I knew this "National Conservative" conference would produce a news-making soundbite or two, but I assumed it would be Miriam Cates doing her Gilead routine, rather than Rees-Mogg announcing "we did gerrymandering, and I was in cabinet to see it happen".

Credibly rumoured on another forum to have tried to join the Lib Dems but ultimately joined the Tories when the former wouldn’t give her a safe council seat. Quite the journey since I assume.

That sounds very similar to the alleged history of the Member for South West Norfolk discussed on this same thread about six months ago. Starting to wonder whether this is just the established pathway for careerist types on the centre-right who're willing to swing further right to achieve their goals.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Just for anyone wondering the allegiances of the other recent prime ministers:

Wilson: Huddersfield Town (his hometown club)

Callaghan: not a big football fan, but his native club Portsmouth once asked him for digout when they were on hard times

Thatcher: her dislike of football and it's fans is well known but she was rather incredibly made Honorary Vice President of Blackburn Rovers by owner Jack Walker in the 90s.

Major: huge Chelsea fan, frequently seen at Stamford Bridge

Blair: famously a Newcastle fan, it was once claimed a young Tony sat in the Gallowgate end and saw Jackie Milburn play, something that was impossible as the Gallowgate didn't have seats until many years after Wor Jackie left. Campbell later admitted he made it up

Brown: a Raith Rovers fan, he handed programmes at Starks Park as a child.

Cameron: infamously said he was a West Ham fan when he previously had claimed to be a Villa fan. His support for the other team in claret and blue comes from his uncle Sir William Dudgale being the chairman in their early 80s glory days.

May: Not a big football fan but reportedly has a soft spot for AFC Wimbledon (and the original club) due to her time as a councillor in Merton.

Johnson: typically Boris claimed to be a fan of all the London clubs.

Truss: a Norwich fan - although a Leeds native, she supports the team of her constituency.

Brown, in the manner of most people like him, was a fanatic fan and aced a quiz on raith rovers when he appeared on Soccer AM- his close aide Damian Mcbride recalled a press story about him being seen around the club on transfer deadline day.

Would pay good money to see him run a club.

As I recall, McBride's version is that when he asked Brown about it, the latter looked shifty and demanded to know if they had pictures.

[bore]

Just for anyone wondering the allegiances of the other recent prime ministers:

Wilson: Huddersfield Town (his hometown club)

Callaghan: not a big football fan, but his native club Portsmouth once asked him for digout when they were on hard times

Thatcher: her dislike of football and it's fans is well known but she was rather incredibly made Honorary Vice President of Blackburn Rovers by owner Jack Walker in the 90s.

Major: huge Chelsea fan, frequently seen at Stamford Bridge

Blair: famously a Newcastle fan, it was once claimed a young Tony sat in the Gallowgate end and saw Jackie Milburn play, something that was impossible as the Gallowgate didn't have seats until many years after Wor Jackie left. Campbell later admitted he made it up

Brown: a Raith Rovers fan, he handed programmes at Starks Park as a child.

Cameron: infamously said he was a West Ham fan when he previously had claimed to be a Villa fan. His support for the other team in claret and blue comes from his uncle Sir William Dudgale being the chairman in their early 80s glory days.

May: Not a big football fan but reportedly has a soft spot for AFC Wimbledon (and the original club) due to her time as a councillor in Merton.

Johnson: typically Boris claimed to be a fan of all the London clubs.

Truss: a Norwich fan - although a Leeds native, she supports the team of her constituency.

Brown, in the manner of most people like him, was a fanatic fan and aced a quiz on raith rovers when he appeared on Soccer AM- his close aide Damian Mcbride recalled a press story about him being seen around the club on transfer deadline day.

Would pay good money to see him run a club.

As I recall, McBride's version is that when he asked Brown about it, the latter looked shifty and demanded to know if they had pictures.

This is McBride's account:

What spare time Gordon had up in Scotland he poured into not just supporting Raith Rovers, but pulling strings behind the scenes at the club, sometimes becoming a bit too involved. I rang him in October 2006 and said I'd had a call from a Scottish journalist who'd heard a bizarre rumour that Gordon was seen in a pub car park in Kirkcaldy after midnight apparently negotiating contract terms with Trinidad international Marvin Andrews. Gordon was silent, then said: Have they got photos?

[TheTide]

Just for anyone wondering the allegiances of the other recent prime ministers:

Wilson: Huddersfield Town (his hometown club)

Callaghan: not a big football fan, but his native club Portsmouth once asked him for digout when they were on hard times

Thatcher: her dislike of football and it's fans is well known but she was rather incredibly made Honorary Vice President of Blackburn Rovers by owner Jack Walker in the 90s.

Major: huge Chelsea fan, frequently seen at Stamford Bridge

Blair: famously a Newcastle fan, it was once claimed a young Tony sat in the Gallowgate end and saw Jackie Milburn play, something that was impossible as the Gallowgate didn't have seats until many years after Wor Jackie left. Campbell later admitted he made it up

Brown: a Raith Rovers fan, he handed programmes at Starks Park as a child.

Cameron: infamously said he was a West Ham fan when he previously had claimed to be a Villa fan. His support for the other team in claret and blue comes from his uncle Sir William Dudgale being the chairman in their early 80s glory days.

May: Not a big football fan but reportedly has a soft spot for AFC Wimbledon (and the original club) due to her time as a councillor in Merton.

Johnson: typically Boris claimed to be a fan of all the London clubs.

Truss: a Norwich fan - although a Leeds native, she supports the team of her constituency.

Brown, in the manner of most people like him, was a fanatic fan and aced a quiz on raith rovers when he appeared on Soccer AM- his close aide Damian Mcbride recalled a press story about him being seen around the club on transfer deadline day.

Would pay good money to see him run a club.

Soccer AM. That's quite a nostalgic thing for me. I think it might actually still be going, even though the effective end of it was when Tim Lovejoy left with several of the big personality 'side characters', which must have been about fifteen years ago. It was a part of my routine on Saturday mornings in the early to mid 2000s.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Johnson: typically Boris claimed to be a fan of all the London clubs.

OK so things might be a bit different in the UK where it feels like half of all teams are London based, but if someone says they are a Yankees and Mets, Dodgers and Angels, Cubs and Whitesox, etc. fan, I guarantee you they are just the worst person.

[Wiswylfen]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1658108102770671618

The realignment nonsense has been tiresome but I can put up with it if it means the self-destruction of all the idiots who actually bought into it.

[Torrain]

Kruger really got a bit “out there”. Not just on the dog-whistle language about the “global elite” but also his remarks about the traditional family unit, where he seemed to attack single parents, unmarried and same-sex couples.

Between that and the stuff about not being a party of the South East, he’s basically writing Lib Dem leaflets in Blue Wall seats for the next election cycle.

Also a tad ironic that he’s banging on about how vital family values are, given he’s only got his seat due to being a staffer for a Prime Minister who has implied he’s not sure how many children he has.

[Cassius]

The ‘national conservatives’ don’t seem to understand the nation that they live in (well, that most of them live in).