2023 Chicago Mayoral/Aldermanic Elections

[Benjamin Frank]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

[kyc0705]

Sure, our policies are terrible, but enough of your guys got elected that we won't destroy the city. We'll keep trying, don't worry.

I quite intentionally never even implied that I supported Johnson. I'm just fascinated by the belief that one's political enemies are somehow both deeply incompetent and extremely effective.

Effectively implementing bad policies is not a good idea.

I just think it's a fascinating reaction that's been well-observed before, and is in full force among the Vallas supporters here tonight. I don't have any hot takes about policy or anything.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

You're a gross person, just btw. This is an absolutely horrible way to talk about kids and reveals the base instincts and zero-sum way that people on that side look at this. Genuinely mortified you're a teacher, as others have said here before.

[Pres Mike]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

[kyc0705]

Is there an internet maxim for how long an argument has to go on before someone begins to talk like a eugenicist?

[Death of a Salesman]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

You're a gross person, just btw.

For all the gloating for the socialist lobby, you should remember this: Vallas voters are subsidizing Johnson voters. When your political opponents leave, your city gets poorer.

[Benjamin Frank]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

[Pres Mike]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

You're a gross person, just btw. This is an absolutely horrible way to talk about kids and reveals the base instincts and zero-sum way that people on that side look at this.

How am I gross? I AM A TEACHER. I have worked in inner city schools and suburban schools. Have you? I have far more insight on the teaching shortage, COVID learning loss, behavior etc.

[Death of a Salesman]

Is there an internet maxim for how long an argument has to go on before someone begins to talk like a eugenicist?

Eugenics is when you think that people who pay a lot of taxes subsidize people who don't pay a lot of taxes.

[Pres Mike]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

[kyc0705]

Is there an internet maxim for how long an argument has to go on before someone begins to talk like a eugenicist?

Eugenics is when you think that people who pay a lot of taxes subsidize people who don't pay a lot of taxes.

What comment do you think I was responding to?

[Benjamin Frank]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

I live on the west coast in Vancouver, British Columbia  (Richmond.) Most of Vancouver is very safe and the worst parts are generally nowhere near as bad as the media sensationalism makes it out to be.         

To the degree that policing is involved, drugs being illegal makes it worse. Yes, drugs should not be consumed on the streets.

As to families leaving, I'm sure most of Chicago is very safe, and even in the parts that aren't, most people are unlikely to leave. Not eveybody is as easily frightened as you seem to be.

It's funny how so many easily frightened people over crime were calling out those rightly concerned over Covid for being easily frightened. Maybe you should just never leave your house.

As to schools, I think schools have been getting worse since Socrates.

[Death of a Salesman]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

I live on the west coast in Vancouver, British Columbia  (Richmond.) Most of Vancouver is very safe and the worst parts are generally nowhere near as bad as the media sensationalism makes it out to be.         

To the degree that policing is involved, drugs being illegal makes it worse. Yes, drugs should not be consumed on the streets.

As to families leaving, I'm sure most of Chicago is very safe, and even in the parts that aren't, most people are unlikely to leave. Not eveybody is as easily frightened as you seem to be.

It's funny how so many easily frightened people over crime were calling out those rightly concerned over Covid for being easily frightened. Maybe you should just never leave your house.

As to schools, I think schools have been getting worse since Socrates.

Chicago has a worse murder rate than most third world countries.

[Benjamin Frank]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

I live on the west coast in Vancouver, British Columbia  (Richmond.) Most of Vancouver is very safe and the worst parts are generally nowhere near as bad as the media sensationalism makes it out to be.          

To the degree that policing is involved, drugs being illegal makes it worse. Yes, drugs should not be consumed on the streets.

As to families leaving, I'm sure most of Chicago is very safe, and even in the parts that aren't, most people are unlikely to leave. Not eveybody is as easily frightened as you seem to be.

It's funny how so many easily frightened people over crime were calling out those rightly concerned over Covid for being easily frightened. Maybe you should just never leave your house.

As to schools, I think schools have been getting worse since Socrates.

Chicago has a worse murder rate than most third world countries.

That's one data point and the likelihood of being murdered in Chicago is very low.

Also, nothing is going to improve regarding murder, or really crime in general, unless and until guns are dealt with.

[Pres Mike]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

I live on the west coast in Vancouver, British Columbia  (Richmond.) Most of Vancouver is very safe and the worst parts are generally nowhere near as bad as the media sensationalism makes it out to be.         

To the degree that policing is involved, drugs being illegal makes it worse. Yes, drugs should not be consumed on the streets.

As to families leaving, I'm sure most of Chicago is very safe, and even in the parts that aren't, most people are unlikely to leave. Not eveybody is as easily frightened as you seem to be.

It's funny how so many easily frightened people over crime were calling out those rightly concerned over Covid for being easily frightened. Maybe you should just never leave your house.

As to schools, I think schools have been getting worse since Socrates.

First of all, you live in Canada. The US doesn't have the safety net Canada has which has resulted in a lot of poverty. That of course doesn't justify crime. Nor does Canada have the history of racial divides the US has.

Chicago has a reputation for being a dangerous city. I live in the Southern US, Missippie Delta area. A lot of black folks here have family in Chicago, who moved during the great migration. A lot of said family have moved back south. Crime is a big issue, along with taxes and weather.

Chicago lost 45k people from 2020-2021
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/79-of-illinois-communities-lose-people-in-2021-chicago-loses-45k/

Crime has gotton so bad in some places, certain companies will not insure cars in the St. Louis area for example

[Suburbia]

It looks like the Caruso/Vallas/Bloomberg/Giuliani type candidate can't win nowadays

Police unions are not irrelevant, it's that when they get involved in politics, people run away from them

Johnson should hire a Latino police commissioner to heal the wounds.

A lot of cops are filing for retirement right now.

Black and Latinos dont want to be cops, it's a social stigma to the job in their communities. So who gets stuck doing the job? White suburbanites and Mt. Greenwood people.

https://twitter.com/NewsWire_US/status/1640785541858730004

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

I agree with what you are saying but it doesn't bode well for our education system that a teacher thinks 'Schools are getting worst' is a proper sentence.

[Benjamin Frank]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

I live on the west coast in Vancouver, British Columbia  (Richmond.) Most of Vancouver is very safe and the worst parts are generally nowhere near as bad as the media sensationalism makes it out to be.          

To the degree that policing is involved, drugs being illegal makes it worse. Yes, drugs should not be consumed on the streets.

As to families leaving, I'm sure most of Chicago is very safe, and even in the parts that aren't, most people are unlikely to leave. Not eveybody is as easily frightened as you seem to be.

It's funny how so many easily frightened people over crime were calling out those rightly concerned over Covid for being easily frightened. Maybe you should just never leave your house.

As to schools, I think schools have been getting worse since Socrates.

First of all, you live in Canada. The US doesn't have the safety net Canada has which has resulted in a lot of poverty. That of course doesn't justify crime. Nor does Canada have the history of racial divides the US has.

Chicago has a reputation for being a dangerous city. I live in the Southern US, Missippie Delta area. A lot of black folks here have family in Chicago, who moved during the great migration. A lot of said family have moved back south. Crime is a big issue, along with taxes and weather.

Chicago lost 45k people from 2020-2021
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/79-of-illinois-communities-lose-people-in-2021-chicago-loses-45k/

Crime has gotton so bad in some places, certain companies will not insure cars in the St. Louis area for example

Safety net in Vancouver? Hrm. There is a fairly large tent city of homeless people in Vancouver. There are fires and violence there all breathlessly reported by the media (and I don't doubt that it's terrible when they occur), but I and a friend of mine walk through the area once a week (to be sure not at night) to go to a restaurant, and it's mostly peaceful.

Chicago has a reputation for being a dangerous city, and the U.S South, especially the rural south, has a reputation for trumping up charges against people passing through in order to seize their assets.

It seems there's no place all that safe to go to.

[Pres Mike]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

I agree with what you are saying but it doesn't bode well for our education system that a teacher thinks 'Schools are getting worst' is a proper sentence.

Dude, I am a Muslim. I jsut broke my 14 hour fast. I am sitting in bed. I'm not putting too much thought into mistakes while I argue with strangers on the internet.

[Suburbia]

https://twitter.com/bmainzer/status/1643436210679955459

https://twitter.com/theminorchords/status/1643419927121108993

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

I agree with what you are saying but it doesn't bode well for our education system that a teacher thinks 'Schools are getting worst' is a proper sentence.

Dude, I am a Muslim. I jsut broke my 14 hour fast. I am sitting in bed. I'm not putting too much thought into mistakes while I argue with strangers on the internet.

Ramadan Mubarak! From a fellow Muslim, best of luck.

[Pres Mike]

Fascinated by the takes that Chicago is doomed because they voted for a new mayor. Even if his policies were destined to be destructive, how often do big city mayors (or any executives, really) actually get their entire platform enacted? If I didn't know better, I'd think that people can only imagine cities in perpetual states of collapse.

Crime has risen dramatically in several cities since the 2020 George Floyd protests. The logically thing would be increase police presense and crack down on crime like shop lifting and car break ins.

Johnson wants to do the opposite. In fact, he wants to push policies that made it so bad on the west coast.

Even if Johnson doesn't make it worst (which is a big IF), it will not get better. With Vallas, you had a small chance it would get better.

So guess what? People will contiune not to feel safe and move out the city.

Want to know what'll hurt inner city kids the most? When every rich, middle and working class family moves out. Watch what'll happen to inner city schools. There is already a teacher shortage. No pay increase by Johnson will make up for every decent child leaving the city, leaving behind the worst.

Could you have a more melodramatic take?

How am I melodramatic?

Everything you wrote is sensationalist and over the top.

Did I say anything false? Or even unlikely? Everything I said is based on existing treads are they not? Families are leaving Chicago. Schools are getting worst. Crime is getting worst.

I agree with what you are saying but it doesn't bode well for our education system that a teacher thinks 'Schools are getting worst' is a proper sentence.

Dude, I am a Muslim. I jsut broke my 14 hour fast. I am sitting in bed. I'm not putting too much thought into mistakes while I argue with strangers on the internet.

Ramadan Mubarak! From a fellow Muslim, best of luck.

Shkran!

[Horus]

While the lesser evil probably won out here, I just don't understand why Chuy was unable to gain any momentum.

[Pres Mike]

I've noticed the folks arguing with me and have stopped replying to my posts once I started posting stats to back me up...

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/NewsWire_US/status/1640785541858730004

Good. If they're going to throw a tantrum because their guy didn't win, they're unfit to be a police officer.