FBI search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago (Update: Trump Indicted!)
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« Reply #1700 on: August 29, 2022, 09:11:28 AM »
« edited: August 29, 2022, 09:42:39 AM by Torie »

“ ‘Mr. Corcoran then drafted a statement, which Ms. Bobb, who is said to be the custodian of the documents, signed. It asserted that, to the best of her knowledge, all classified material that was there had been returned, according to two people familiar with the statement.”

Remember that attestation that Bobb signed on June 3 about all classified material having been returned, where I was wondering how the crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege would play out?

The article below gives the best explanation of the ins and outs that I have read by far. It gets the Torie "highly recommend" that one read stamp. What higher honor can there be than that?  Sunglasses  Angel

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-christina-bobb-mar-a-lago-search-rcna44711

It seems that the end game is that attorneys Bobb and Corcoran will be testifying about it all, and will be doing so when they are no longer representing Trump.

It does occur to me that there may be an escape hatch for them though. You see, they thought Trump had declassified everything, so of course nothing was classified that Trump still had. How could there be? Sure, it may turn out that the lawyers were wrong about Trump having done a wave of the wand blanket declassification, but hey, that is a mere mistake of law. Still, they will have to testify as to whether they looked at the docs themselves, whether Trump characterized them, or whether the sole basis for the attestation was Trump's bogus claim that a mere thought in Trump’s mind declassifying them a minute before his term expired. Which raises the issue of when Trump told them about his magic wand. When did Trump's declassification first hit the airwaves? Was it before or after the attestation was signed?

It would appear odd if Trump made the claim to them before the June 3 signing, but the claim only became public much later. That would appear a tad too convenient. Does anyone know when the declassification claim was first made public? Hey, it looks like it was after the search went down. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/12/us/politics/declassified-documents-trump.html  Yep. Maybe that is one reason the DOJ finessed the classification issue with the warrant. It was because of that attestation. They knew Trump still had docs (unless he had destroyed them), but discerned the possibility of the Corcoran/Bobb evasion sand trap.

Both lawyers are going to have to testify as to when Trump first made the declassification claim to them. Are they going to tell the truth under oath or lie? Do they have any corroborating notes? Where and when did Trump tell them? Was it by phone? So many questions. The depositions should be quite lengthy I would think.

I really think it is unethical for these two lawyers to be representing Trump as we speak, given the real possibility that they will be spilling their guts about what they know, and what Trump knew and did, and when, about the document saga. Their time in the klieg lights is coming. You might make a note of it.

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« Reply #1701 on: August 29, 2022, 09:51:11 AM »

bloop!

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« Reply #1702 on: August 29, 2022, 08:33:43 PM »

Graham is laying the groundwork for violent protests.

He's essentially telling the MAGA troops to gear up and be ready to move.

What Graham said was obviously atrocious and clearly intended as a threat rather than mere prediction, but I'm not at all worried about this actually happening as some in the media seem to be. I'm pretty sure most of the Proud Boys, Three Percenters and Oath Keepers (besides the ones that aren't already in prison) are all paranoid as hell since 1/6 and assume that they are being monitored by the FBI and/or they have been flipped on by their fellow domestic terrorists trying to save their own skins. DoD, DoJ and DHS are now controlled by Biden appointees who will not let any violent trump supporters who do try to do another 1/6 to get anywhere close to a federal building or to hurt anyone.

I can see some random losers in full TactiCool cosplay showing up to state capitols with AR-15's and standing there in all their obese glory. That's about it.
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« Reply #1703 on: August 29, 2022, 09:22:57 PM »

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« Reply #1704 on: August 30, 2022, 03:26:34 AM »
« Edited: October 05, 2022, 02:25:28 AM by Eraserhead »

This is so embarrassing.



The funniest thing here is the idea Trump supporters know what the National Archives are.

They do know of them but only as of a week ago or so.
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« Reply #1705 on: August 30, 2022, 04:15:34 AM »

This is so embarrassing.



The funniest thing here is the idea Trump supporters know what the National Archives are.

They do know of them but only as of week ago or so.

It's even more funny and terrifying in that they are just blindly following whatever Herr Douchebag tells them to do.
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« Reply #1706 on: August 30, 2022, 07:51:13 AM »

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« Reply #1707 on: August 30, 2022, 08:07:53 AM »

This is so embarrassing.



The funniest thing here is the idea Trump supporters know what the National Archives are.

Terrorism is not amusing in the slightest.

It is painful watching the Democrats and our institutions failing to check the GOP cult as it  now openly embraces terrorism in the name of the criminal traitor leading it. Events over the last month - starting to hold Trump accountable for his flagrant lawlessness, and President Biden accurately calling out the GOP as fascists - is encouraging.

What we all need to prepare for is the extremely likely future where the Republicans resort to widespread violence when America refuses to kneel to them. That's what these threat from Graham and Trump are ultimately about. It's what the GOP is always about: liscense to abuse others without consequences for themselves. When a Republican says "law and order" all they means is that they think laws should only exist to enforce their orders.

Thanks to Donald Trump, who screams the quiet parts at the top of his lungs and gets Republicans to chant along with him, the pretent that the GOP is anything more than a treasonous, abusive cult grows more threadbare every day. It's sad to see how many Americans either fall for the lies, or willfully embrace the horror.
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« Reply #1708 on: August 30, 2022, 08:37:59 AM »

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« Reply #1709 on: August 30, 2022, 03:45:06 PM »

In case you were wondering how Trump spent his morning. When will it ever end? I fear it will be only a matter of time until another tragedy occurs by those agitated by Trump's actions.
It's an evolving tragedy with no surcease in sight, and perhaps little that can be done that would mitigate matters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/politics/trump-search-violence.html

"On Tuesday, Mr. Trump spent much of the morning reposting messages from known purveyors of the QAnon conspiracy theory and from 4chan, an anonymous message platform where threats of violence often blossom. Some were outright provocations, such as a photograph of President Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris and Speaker Nancy Pelosi with their faces obscured by the words, 'Your enemy is not in Russia.'"

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« Reply #1710 on: August 30, 2022, 04:04:04 PM »

In case you were wondering how Trump spent his morning. When will it ever end? I fear it will be only a matter of time until another tragedy occurs by those agitated by Trump's actions.
It's an evolving tragedy with no surcease in sight, and perhaps little that can be done that would mitigate matters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/politics/trump-search-violence.html

"On Tuesday, Mr. Trump spent much of the morning reposting messages from known purveyors of the QAnon conspiracy theory and from 4chan, an anonymous message platform where threats of violence often blossom. Some were outright provocations, such as a photograph of President Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris and Speaker Nancy Pelosi with their faces obscured by the words, 'Your enemy is not in Russia.'"





We’re transitioning to a fascist America, thanks to Donald Trump and the Republican Party.
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« Reply #1711 on: August 30, 2022, 04:08:42 PM »

And people really wanted to come for Joe for calling this nonsense semi-fascism? I mean come on now. He was being polite, even.
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« Reply #1712 on: August 30, 2022, 04:12:30 PM »

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« Reply #1713 on: August 30, 2022, 05:05:15 PM »

And people really wanted to come for Joe for calling this nonsense semi-fascism? I mean come on now. He was being polite, even.

The only problem with Biden's statement was the unnecessary use of "semi"
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« Reply #1714 on: August 30, 2022, 07:37:25 PM »

Graham is laying the groundwork for violent protests.

He's essentially telling the MAGA troops to gear up and be ready to move.

Largely irresponsible and more inflammatory rhetoric. If the GOP is the party of law and order why are they calling for riots?
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« Reply #1715 on: August 30, 2022, 10:29:32 PM »

Here it is:

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« Reply #1716 on: August 30, 2022, 10:32:07 PM »

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« Reply #1717 on: August 30, 2022, 10:35:05 PM »

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« Reply #1718 on: August 30, 2022, 10:48:55 PM »

I was assuming, I don't know why, that this stuff wouldn't have the cover sheets. How did this guy have all these documents with the classified cover sheets right on them and think they were just his to have. Utterly bizarre.
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« Reply #1719 on: August 30, 2022, 10:49:59 PM »



Specifically HCS-P, it looks like, which is the actual material gathered by the spies and not just the intelligence management stuff that falls under HCS-O.

Looks like possibly TK as well, which is Talent Keyhole and refers to intelligence from spy satellites and spy planes like the U2.
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« Reply #1720 on: August 30, 2022, 10:51:11 PM »

Does that necessarily mean it has all of those in that document or just one (or more) of them?
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« Reply #1721 on: August 30, 2022, 11:04:26 PM »

Does that necessarily mean it has all of those in that document or just one (or more) of them?

My understanding is that the document includes information from each control system (HCS, TK, SI, etc) specified in the marking.
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« Reply #1722 on: August 30, 2022, 11:34:28 PM »

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« Reply #1723 on: August 30, 2022, 11:39:19 PM »

Here's a good one from that thread.

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« Reply #1724 on: August 30, 2022, 11:54:12 PM »
« Edited: August 30, 2022, 11:58:17 PM by LBJer »

Not only should Trump be prosecuted, but his lawyers should be as well.  Throw the book at all of them. 
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