Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

[Famous Mortimer]

looks like Biden's held his lead, though he lost a few points. Hopefully, he gets his sh**t together for the July debates.

This. He also needs to do much better on a debate stage with Trump.

You seriously think Trump is going to agree to debate his opponent?

lol it's been three years. Can we stop pretending like Trump isn't a completely normal president.

[Slander and/or Libel]

looks like Biden's held his lead, though he lost a few points. Hopefully, he gets his sh**t together for the July debates.

This. He also needs to do much better on a debate stage with Trump.

You seriously think Trump is going to agree to debate his opponent?

lol it's been three years. Can we stop pretending like Trump isn't a completely normal president.

Remember when he skipped a primary debate to hold a concurrent rally?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Harris is currently in second in IA, now

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Harris is currently in second in IA, now

 Today's Suffolk poll for context

[Mr. Smith]

looks like Biden's held his lead, though he lost a few points. Hopefully, he gets his sh**t together for the July debates.

This. He also needs to do much better on a debate stage with Trump.

You seriously think Trump is going to agree to debate his opponent?

Yes, he likes being on TV. He proably feels "safer" now than in 2016 since he's been in office for over three years.

The debates were a boon to the Trump campaign in 2016. If anything, Democrats should be mulling over their participation. They would do a great service to our democracy by denouncing the events as mindless spectacles and putting an end to the entire pathetic tradition.

But were they really? He really did himself in with each of 'em...except for the first one anyway [which was a draw]. His numbers always dropped until the good 'ol media came back with that horse-racing.

And who wants the optics of being "chicken"? Especially with someone like Trump?

[SuperCow]

looks like Biden's held his lead, though he lost a few points. Hopefully, he gets his sh**t together for the July debates.

This. He also needs to do much better on a debate stage with Trump.

You seriously think Trump is going to agree to debate his opponent?

Yes, he likes being on TV. He proably feels "safer" now than in 2016 since he's been in office for over three years.

The debates were a boon to the Trump campaign in 2016. If anything, Democrats should be mulling over their participation. They would do a great service to our democracy by denouncing the events as mindless spectacles and putting an end to the entire pathetic tradition.

The primary debates are important, at least for the party not in power since they are the cheapest way to take continual shots at the incumbent party. They are particularly important for the unknown candidates since it is their only shot (however fleeting) that they have to become a contender.

In the general election, it seems different to me. Most people watching have already picked a side and they watch it like a sporting event. "Good one Trump!" "Knock him down Hillary!", etc. I'm not sure it actually changes anyone's mind, though it might affect voter turnout in cases where the candidates aren't boring.

I think the 2016 Democratic debates were an exception since Bernie Sanders was almost viewed as a third party candidate to a lot of new viewers who were never interested before.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

But were they really? He really did himself in with each of 'em...except for the first one anyway [which was a draw]. His numbers always dropped until the good 'ol media came back with that horse-racing.

It doesn't matter who "won" the debates. That kind of commentary is high-octane bullsh**t best reserved for Cillizza-grade hacks. None of the blowhards who analyze the debates as if they were boxing matches has a clue.

All that anyone needs to know is that a televised performance plays to Trump's strength's, especially one that is both marketed and consumed as live entertainment. Presidential debates have all of the civic value of a WWE smackdown.

And who wants the optics of being "chicken"? Especially with someone like Trump?

You're only a chicken when you show that you're acting out of fear. If fear is the only reason to stay in the debates, this suggests an obvious response.

Hillary outperformed Trump in literally every televised “set piece” of the campaign beginning with the conventions. The polls show this. It was in the long stretches without these events where she fumbled because Trump was otherwise able to set the narrative.

[John Dule]

Harris is currently in second in IA, now

 Today's Suffolk poll for context

Lol @ Yang tied with Beto.

[Mr. Smith]

But were they really? He really did himself in with each of 'em...except for the first one anyway [which was a draw]. His numbers always dropped until the good 'ol media came back with that horse-racing.

It doesn't matter who "won" the debates. That kind of commentary is high-octane bullsh**t best reserved for Cillizza-grade hacks. None of the blowhards who analyze the debates as if they were boxing matches has a clue.

All that anyone needs to know is that a televised performance plays to Trump's strength's, especially one that is both marketed and consumed as live entertainment. Presidential debates have all of the civic value of a WWE smackdown.

And who wants the optics of being "chicken"? Especially with someone like Trump?

You're only a chicken when you show that you're acting out of fear. If fear is the only reason to stay in the debates, this suggests an obvious response.

A: Hackery or what have you has nothing to do with it. Trump's at his best when he's a judge, and only a judge. The debates, by nature, force him into a position where he gets judged (except for the GOP ones where there were enough candidates all struggling to give him room to escape...or in the case of the CNN debate, it was literally formatted for judgment), and that scrutiny turns the guy from sensational to precisely the opposite.

B: I agree, which means there's no win here. Opt out and you go down a chicken afraid to stand up for your beliefs. Stay in and you stand to get pummeled.  But since there are ratings to be had and the sports mentality is here to stay, so must the show go on.

[Famous Mortimer]

looks like Biden's held his lead, though he lost a few points. Hopefully, he gets his sh**t together for the July debates.

This. He also needs to do much better on a debate stage with Trump.

You seriously think Trump is going to agree to debate his opponent?

lol it's been three years. Can we stop pretending like Trump isn't a completely normal president.

Remember when he skipped a primary debate to hold a concurrent rally?

No. I don't remember but there were like 40 GOP primary debates and he took part in all but 1. There's only going to be 3 presidential debates.

[Sir Mohamed]

Is this just my impression, but I think the main reason he starts to stumble is not because of policy issues, but because Biden has changed since he's been VP. He looks much older and not nearly as sharp as usual. Compare this debate performance to the one against Paul Ryan in 2012. Back then, the Obama team send him out to be more aggressive after President Obama had a bad night with the first debate against Romney.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

But were they really? He really did himself in with each of 'em...except for the first one anyway [which was a draw]. His numbers always dropped until the good 'ol media came back with that horse-racing.

It doesn't matter who "won" the debates. That kind of commentary is high-octane bullsh**t best reserved for Cillizza-grade hacks. None of the blowhards who analyze the debates as if they were boxing matches has a clue.

All that anyone needs to know is that a televised performance plays to Trump's strength's, especially one that is both marketed and consumed as live entertainment. Presidential debates have all of the civic value of a WWE smackdown.

And who wants the optics of being "chicken"? Especially with someone like Trump?

You're only a chicken when you show that you're acting out of fear. If fear is the only reason to stay in the debates, this suggests an obvious response.

Hillary outperformed Trump in literally every televised “set piece” of the campaign beginning with the conventions. The polls show this. It was in the long stretches without these events where she fumbled because Trump was otherwise able to set the narrative.

With the willing co-operation of the "liberal" mainstream media, who couldn't cover "Hillary's emails" enough, but displayed great reluctance to spend on time on covering "Trump" "bankrupt" "money-laundering" and "Russia".

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Bernie or Harris is gonna beat Biden, as I said before. It was different with Hilary, when the Establishment supported her, she earned that right.

With Biden, DNC is trying to force the Dem voters to vote for him

[Illini Moderate]

Bernie or Harris is gonna beat Biden, as I said before. It was different with Hilary, when the Establishment supported her, she earned that right.

With Biden, DNC is trying to force the Dem voters to vote for him

Really? Still going with the old “DNC rigging” excuse? Kind of a weak argument considering many career politicians and DNC members are supporting different people.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He is the DNC choice, majority of superdelegates already pledged their support to Biden before he announced: many of the Black and Latino caucus, Braun, Atlanta mayor and Ed Rendell.

[Dr. Arch]

He is the DNC choice, majority of superdelegates already pledged their support to Biden before he announced: many of the Black and Latino caucus, Braun, Atlanta mayor and Ed Rendell.

The nomination process isn't the same as 2016. Superdelegates barely have any influence now in comparison.

[Saint Milei]

He is the DNC choice, majority of superdelegates already pledged their support to Biden before he announced: many of the Black and Latino caucus, Braun, Atlanta mayor and Ed Rendell.

Lmaoooo in what world is bernie going to beat biden when he's struggling to even keep his supporters intact

[UWS]

Biden raised $21.5 million in second quarter of 2019.

https://sputniknews.com/us/201907041076139792-us-democratic-presidential-frontrunner-biden-raises-215mln-in-second-quarter-of-2019/

[redjohn]

What an embarrassing campaign so far from the previous Democratic VP. Was pretty annoying to read all the takes about Biden being a more appealing/electable candidate than Clinton, so let's just admit that Clinton was a much stronger primary and general candidate than Joe. Biden's announcement and platform offers nothing unique or inspiring to voters, so he will be rewarded by voters accordingly.

[Mr. Smith]

What an embarrassing campaign so far from the previous Democratic VP. Was pretty annoying to read all the takes about Biden being a more appealing/electable candidate than Clinton, so let's just admit that Clinton was a much stronger primary and general candidate than Joe. Biden's announcement and platform offers nothing unique or inspiring to voters, so he will be rewarded by voters accordingly.

Those takes remembered the Joe Biden that floored Ryan and pitied Sarah Palin, and forgot about the developments since.

[Eraserhead]

Biden raised $21.5 million in second quarter of 2019.

https://sputniknews.com/us/201907041076139792-us-democratic-presidential-frontrunner-biden-raises-215mln-in-second-quarter-of-2019/

Not terrible but pretty weak for a frontrunner. I thought he'd get over 30 personally.

Buttigieg raised more money and Sanders blew him away on the number of donors.

[Matty]

https://mobile.twitter.com/freddoso/status/1146632270368763904

[UWS]

https://mobile.twitter.com/freddoso/status/1146632270368763904

They were not trusting so much the refugees, as I guess they worried that there could be communist operatives infiltrating the flows of refugees in order to attack the U.S. a few like ISIS did with the flow of Syrian refugees.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Its a Harris v Warren nomination and Harris can win SC, now

[GP270watch]

Biden is a born number 2. He was good for Vice President because he's a behind the scenes guy who likes to make deals and is well-liked but under the spotlight he's not Presidential material. He's floundered before in this spotlight, these recent events are not surprising to anybody who's been paying attention.

Biden would be better than Trump of course but Trump is teflon with his moronic base because they don't care about his actual words, results, ignorance, or chaotic governance. Trump hit some deep sentiment in these people and they're all in. Biden's gaffes minor or major put him on defense and make him look out of touch and the Democratic base expects more right now and not just "good enough to beat Trump".