Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't see Biden holding up well at all. And if he made it through to the general election, he has all the issues problems that Clinton had, only worse since his are actual votes. Votes for Nafta, crime bills, and repealing Glsss-Steagal.

[Tender Branson]

Biden is a bit of male Hillary, just without all her baggage.

It would be better if he sits this out and let other people do the job and enjoy retirement instead.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

If he wins the nomination (which I very highly doubt he will) then Democrats deserve to lose in 2020.

He's even more neoliberal and useless than Hillary was.

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

If I only knew about Joe Biden from this forum, I’d think he was the electoral equivalent of Walter Mondale crossed with Pat Buchanan.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Biden is a bit of male Hillary, just without all her baggage.

It would be better if he sits this out and let other people do the job and enjoy retirement instead.

Biden is worse than Hillary.

Why folks want to nominate the man that shamed Anita Hill, wrote the Crime Bill, and is on tape groping children is beyond me.

[Comrade Funk]

If people think 99% of voters care if Biden is considered "neoliberal", they're being too naive and overestimating the average voter.

[Pyro]

If people think 99% of voters care if Biden is considered "neoliberal", they're being too naive and overestimating the average voter.

That's probably true, however once Biden opens his mouth his support will begin to drop.

[junior chįmp]

Cant wait for his inspiring campaign message:

"How are we gonna pay for it?"
"Suck it up Millennials"
"Ive been in politics for 5 decades....it cant be done"
"Dont try"

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Biden is probably the most underrated candidate on Atlas. Not everyone voting in the Dem primary is an Extremely Online left-of-centre millennial...like calling him Hillary 2.0 is funny because Clinton actually won 55% of the vote in 2016.   

[UWS]

Inb4 his poll numbers collapse after the debates.

Actually, Biden is a terrific debater. He avoided gaffes during his vice-presidential debates in 2008 and 2012. And during the 2012 VP debate, Paul Ryan even sometimes looked intimidated. The moreover that Biden reprised the « Senator you’re no Jack Kennedy » line with his « Oh now you’re Jack Kennedy » which was a remarkable punch.

[2016]

Inb4 his poll numbers collapse after the debates.

Actually, Biden is a terrific debater. He avoided gaffes during his vice-presidential debates in 2008 and 2012. And during the 2012 VP debate, Paul Ryan even sometimes looked intimidated. The moreover that Biden reprised the « Senator you’re no Jack Kennedy » line with his « Oh now you’re Jack Kennedy » which was a remarkable punch.

Biden ran for President TWICE himself...in 1988 and in 2008 and guess what: Both times he didn't made it past Iowa. Will this be different in 2020 or more of the same? Will he possible turn to be the Jeb Bush of 2016?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Inb4 his poll numbers collapse after the debates.

Actually, Biden is a terrific debater. He avoided gaffes during his vice-presidential debates in 2008 and 2012. And during the 2012 VP debate, Paul Ryan even sometimes looked intimidated. The moreover that Biden reprised the « Senator you’re no Jack Kennedy » line with his « Oh now you’re Jack Kennedy » which was a remarkable punch.

That debate performance also stopped the momentum the Romney campaign had after the first debate. Obama solid lead in the polls he had until that first debate had completely vanished and was trailing in many national polls. It was just not national polls though, Romney was leading in the polls in Florida, Virginia , Colorado and quickly closing the gap in Ohio as well.


The Vice Presidential Debate stopped the momentum the Romney campaign which was critical as that mean the Obama campaign could play offense once again in states like Florida and Virginia while without that momentum Romney was seemingly unable to ever break that Midwestern Firewall that Obama had which meant Obama campaign could play offensive for the rest of the campaign

[Big Abraham]

If people think 99% of voters care if Biden is considered "neoliberal", they're being too naive and overestimating the average voter.

I came here to essentially say this. Hillary didn't lose in 2016 because voters thought she was too neoliberal; she lost because she campaigned poorly in the Midwest, had a message that entirely relied on the sanctity of the status quo, and was plagued with a series of scandals. That's not to say that any of the above doesn't apply to Biden now, but being an economic liberal probably won't matter much in the long run, especially since Biden's positions are still well within the mainstream of the Democratic Party. Obama is neoliberal as hell and yet he'd easily win a Democratic primary if he were eligible to run again, for example.

[UWS]

His path to the nomination would be to highlight his large experience and his ability to attract working-class voters like he did in 2008 and 2012 for Obama.

I think he will absolutely need to win the Iowa Democratic caucuses because since 2000, the winner of the Iowa Democratic caucuses has always went on to become the eventual nominee. He would also need both Sanders and Warren to stay in the race and would need Warren to improve her standing in the polls, including in New Hampshire, which would help Biden to win the New Hampshire primary as well as other New England states like Massachusetts on Super Tuesday thanks to a divide of Sanders’ socialist base (just like Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee divided the social conservative wing in favor of John McCain in 2008 and like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum divided that same electorate in favor of Romney in 2012). As the polls indicate, he is ahead among African-Americans, which would help him to win the South Carolina primary, the moreover that both Harris and Booker will likely be still in the race by then. I think Biden will have a decent shot in the following Super Tuesday states : Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia. Beto O’Rourke could have a certain boost in the polls after he announces but due to his poor standing in the national polls (6 %) and if he gets at just the early 10s or stumbles or gets his Texas favorite son status challenged by Julian Castro, I guess that Biden could win the Texas Democratic primary. And later, I think he would also win Illinois as it is Obama’s home state. Biden would need to make sure that by early April or mid-April it will be a two-way race between him and Sanders in order not to divide his moderate/mainstream base ahead of the primaries in New York and Pennsylvania. He could win New York by reminding local primary voters that it was under his watch as Vice-President that Bin Laden has been killed 10 years after 9/11. A week later, he will likely win Pennsylvania (the state where he was born), Maryland and his home state of Delaware. He may or may not have won enough delegates by them but I think he will have the nomination guaranteed to him by late April 2020.

[Xing]

I maintain that Biden will have serious issues once he's a presidential candidate and not a "memory of the Obama years." That's not to say that there aren't Democrats who like him, but I don't see him generating anywhere near the level of enthusiasm that Sanders and some candidate like Harris generate.

[S019]

In the final two, drops out in April-May

[President Johnson]

He could win Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada among the early states and only lose New Hampshire to Bernard. After a strong showing on Super Tuesday, he would be almost certain to get the nomination. However, he could also lose support over this year. We're still too far away from Iowa to tell. Despite the crowded field, I think the nomination will be settled by early April.

I think it's better for him not to run, but I'd fully support him in the general election and against the Bern. He's a good man and would be a fine president.

[here2view]

If I only knew about Joe Biden from this forum, I’d think he was the electoral equivalent of Walter Mondale crossed with Pat Buchanan.

[S019]

If I only knew about Joe Biden from this forum, I’d think he was the electoral equivalent of Walter Mondale crossed with Pat Buchanan.

This is so true, and the people who think Biden is a strong candidate, for example me, are mocked for “not realizing Biden’s campaign will crash and burn”, Joe Biden would beat Trump and expand the Dem map beyond the Rust Belt into NC

[Old Man Willow]

The idea that Biden is as bad a candidate as Hillary is absurd. Biden is more likable and that's basically 90% of politics.

Biden has the advantage of being able to move PA from tossup to Tilt D and would also be great in a debate against Trump.

[Roronoa D. Law]

I want to know what is Biden going to say during a debate that's going make him collapse. Not every Democratic voter is Cynthia Nixon.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The idea that Biden is as bad a candidate as Hillary is absurd. Biden is more likable and that's basically 90% of politics.

Biden has the advantage of being able to move PA from tossup to Tilt D and would also be great in a debate against Trump.

Pa is already a tilt D state. But Bernie's WWC appeal advantage will go away with Biden entry into race

[Rookie Yinzer]

I maintain that Biden will have serious issues once he's a presidential candidate and not a "memory of the Obama years." That's not to say that there aren't Democrats who like him, but I don't see him generating anywhere near the level of enthusiasm that Sanders and some candidate like Harris generate.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I maintain that Biden will have serious issues once he's a presidential candidate and not a "memory of the Obama years." That's not to say that there aren't Democrats who like him, but I don't see him generating anywhere near the level of enthusiasm that Sanders and some candidate like Harris generate.

You're absolutely right.

[OneJ]

One question: why do some people assume that Biden is good for bringing WWC voters back?