Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread

[DrScholl]

Biden is going to flop once again. This is not a good look.

[JA]

Biden Tells Elite Donors He Doesn’t Want to ‘Demonize’ the Rich

“Remember, I got in trouble with some of the people on my team, on the Democratic side, because I said, you know, what I’ve found is rich people are just as patriotic as poor people. Not a joke. I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who’s made money,” Biden told about 100 well-dressed donors at the Carlyle Hotel on New York’s Upper East Side, where the hors d’oeuvres included lobster, chicken satay and crudites.
 

“Truth of the matter is, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done,” Biden said. “We can disagree in the margins. But the truth of the matter is, it’s all within our wheelhouse and nobody has to be punished. No one’s standard of living would change. Nothing would fundamentally change,” he said.

Biden seems to be becoming something of a Democratic Trump - an old, out-of-touch white guy who says the quiet parts out loud.

At the current rate of Bidenisms, I'm going to be so busy holding my nose come next November, that it's going to be difficult to actually mark my ballot.

I have a feeling he is gonna have to start toning this shiot down or he could legit collapse.

So, the problem is that he needs to keep quiet what he honestly believes or risk losing? Rather than he doesn't belong anywhere near the White House because he's a horrible person with horrible politics?

The only significant difference between Biden and Trump, when you move past the carefully crafted media image, is party identification. If you could vote for Biden, even holding your nose, then you really have no room to attack the reluctant Trump voting Republicans. It's all tribalism and a total failure of American "democracy" to offer an actual alternative to Trump's right-wing authoritarianism and preservation of a racist, highly unequal, and deeply unjust colonial society.

I do not think we'd have a concentration camp for the mass abduction of children on the southern border under a Biden Admin. Nor would we have pulled out of the Paris Climate Accords or the JCPOA with Iran. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh certainly wouldn't be on the court. The Individual ACA mandate would be in place. The 2017 tax cut would not be.

We would not have an inhumane travel ban preventing people from seeing dying Iranian and Sudanese relatives for the last time. Syrian refugee access to the US would not be cut.

Could you stop with this absurd lying about Biden being the same as Trump? Do you do anything besides lying?

I tell the truth and the truth is that Biden is a horrible person with horrible politics who isn't significantly different enough from Trump to make a clear distinction possible. I'll also say that Trump isn't significantly different from Obama either, who was a deliberately disappointing president that campaigned on change and delivered mediocrity, appeasement, and war. He built the drone warfare and mass deportation infrastructure that Trump has simply grown; it was bequeathed to him by his predecessor. Obama failed to address inequality, failed to stimulate the economy or assist homeowners who lost their homes or punish the criminals responsible whatsoever, he failed to implement meaningful healthcare reform, failed to strengthen workers' rights or social security, played political games with unemployment benefits, further destabilized the ME and killed countless innocents (including the bombing of a civilian hospital), and so on and so forth. He paved the way for Trump, who'll pave the way for Mr. "everything will stay the same," who'll pave the way for someone who'll make us yearn for the Trump Era.

Your party is a failure, your candidate(s) are a failure, and this entire system is a failure. That's not by coincidence, but by design; this is how it's meant to work and meant to be, with all the injustices, innocent lives lost, wars, insecurity, and social instability. And people like you simply want it to keep going with only minor tweaks here and there because you aren't one of the millions of daily victims of it, you aren't being crushed under its gears like the African American youth in Flint, the hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq, the slaves in Libya, or the disposable worker in a Chinese factory making cheap goods for Apple and Amazon to sell at an enormous profit for its shareholders and CEOs.

Of course, you'll just say I'm lying or dramatic or whatever, which is predictable and tiresome by now, just as my "rant" is to you. But, that's why I'll never support your Bidens or your Harris's or anyone else this system decides to choose to "represent" us while working daily against our interests and those of all suffering, poor, and/or powerless people in this world.

You didn't address literally a single one of the 9 (8if you group Gorsuch and Kavanaugh) points I made, because you are incapable of backing down when caught in a lie.

Alright, I'll address each of your points, which I basically already have when saying the differences between them are so small it'd be mostly inconsequential.

I do not think we'd have a concentration camp for the mass abduction of children on the southern border under a Biden Admin.

Maybe, maybe not. But, Biden's track record on border issues, deportations, and civil rights for immigrants has been anything but good.

Nor would we have pulled out of the Paris Climate Accords

Sure, he wouldn't have done that. And, sure, his climate policy would be better than Trump's. But, he hasn't proposed anything nor is there any reason to believe he'll actually pursue any policies that adequately address the serious crisis that is anthropogenic climate change.

or the JCPOA with Iran.

Likely not. Perhaps Biden would have a considerably better policy towards Iran - one that avoids war. That is, arguably, the most significant area of improvement Biden has over Trump. But, his slavish obedience to Israeli interests certain present a serious problem with his foreign policy credentials.

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh certainly wouldn't be on the court.

That's true, but someone like Garland likely would be. He'd try to work with Republicans, which would mean choosing a conservative-ish SCOTUS candidate who'd prove to be a disappointment in regards to civil rights, labor rights, and other causes (but at least it wouldn't be a Republican!).

The Individual ACA mandate would be in place.

And our healthcare system would hardly, if at all, be reformed away from a for-profit model that completely fails low-income, minority, and unhealthy people for the sake of making a few people super rich.

The 2017 tax cut would not be.

Nor would there be any meaningful tax increases, redistribution of wealth, wealth tax, higher tax on investments/stocks, or anything like that since, as Biden himself said when addressing wealthy donors, "nobody has to be punished. No one's standard of living will change."

We would not have an inhumane travel ban preventing people from seeing dying Iranian and Sudanese relatives for the last time.

Probably not, but Biden sure wasn't bothered about separating families or deporting immigrants for frivolous reasons when he voted for anti-immigrant legislation in the 1990s or served as VP to a President that deported immigrants at a higher rate than Trump.

Syrian refugee access to the US would not be cut.

Probably not, but if Biden continued or escalated the conflict that Obama had engaged the US in, then there would simply be even more chaos, death, and mass refugee emigration from Syria (to Biden's credit, he does seem to be less interventionist than Obama as he opposed arming the Syrian rebels).

I never said there wasn't a difference between Biden and Trump; there are obvious differences. However, they simply don't amount to enough to make the claim that they are significantly different or that Biden is worth voting for considering his personal and political flaws.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Biden is seriously asking BOOKER to apologize? Like wtf

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1141507692529442817

[libertpaulian]

plz plz plz let this be the beginning of the end of Biden 2020

[Karpatsky]

Biden Tells Elite Donors He Doesn’t Want to ‘Demonize’ the Rich

“Remember, I got in trouble with some of the people on my team, on the Democratic side, because I said, you know, what I’ve found is rich people are just as patriotic as poor people. Not a joke. I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who’s made money,” Biden told about 100 well-dressed donors at the Carlyle Hotel on New York’s Upper East Side, where the hors d’oeuvres included lobster, chicken satay and crudites.
 

“Truth of the matter is, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done,” Biden said. “We can disagree in the margins. But the truth of the matter is, it’s all within our wheelhouse and nobody has to be punished. No one’s standard of living would change. Nothing would fundamentally change,” he said.

Biden seems to be becoming something of a Democratic Trump - an old, out-of-touch white guy who says the quiet parts out loud.

At the current rate of Bidenisms, I'm going to be so busy holding my nose come next November, that it's going to be difficult to actually mark my ballot.

I have a feeling he is gonna have to start toning this shiot down or he could legit collapse.

So, the problem is that he needs to keep quiet what he honestly believes or risk losing? Rather than he doesn't belong anywhere near the White House because he's a horrible person with horrible politics?

The only significant difference between Biden and Trump, when you move past the carefully crafted media image, is party identification. If you could vote for Biden, even holding your nose, then you really have no room to attack the reluctant Trump voting Republicans. It's all tribalism and a total failure of American "democracy" to offer an actual alternative to Trump's right-wing authoritarianism and preservation of a racist, highly unequal, and deeply unjust colonial society.

Your puritanism is getting very old for those of us more interested in achieving positive outcomes than stroking a sense of moral superiority over society at large. If you actually don't understand the issues of rule of law, good governance, and respect for norms which differentiate a politician like Biden from one like Trump, you are not qualified to discuss politics on any level.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Biden is seriously asking BOOKER to apologize? Like wtf

"Apologize for calling out my crap"

[Mr. Smith]

Strong response. Biden slides out of these situations because his opponents keep outlandishly insistingg that they betray some secretly held prejudice.

They would be better of letting the comments speak for themselves. If Biden really understands the times in which we live as poorly as his reminisces suggest, the field will overtake him soon enough.

Except these things don't speak for themselves anymore, the Overton Window has moved away from the days of 2002. At this point, the same remarks Trent Lott made would be given unanimous approval from the GOP.

Also, never underestimate what some electorates will do and accept when they decide they just want to beat some anti-Christ rather than make a lasting impact. At that point, the person can have as little grasp on reality as they please, as long as the monkier of "electable" hangs over.

[Rookie Yinzer]

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1141496692015083528

Joe Biden says black man should apologize for being offended that Biden bragged about how virulent segregationist James Easton did not call him “boy”- a term used against AA men to infantilize and degrade them.

[Roronoa D. Law]

This thread is so full of lies, hate, and arrogance you would think it was a Reddit forum.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Beto now jumping in on this

https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/1141485329804910592

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Clearly Eastland being a vicious racist who played a key role in burying civil right legislations for years is less important than him being "civil".

[Gracile]

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1141496692015083528

Unsurprising that the man who called Barack Obama an "articulate and bright and clean" African-American would issue such a tone-deaf response.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1141511048530399232

[Pandaguineapig]

Yeah I doubt Biden wins the nomination at this point, he's turning out to be almost as weak of a candidate as Clinton

[Rookie Yinzer]

Just donated 5 bucks to Cory Booker.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1141526161039773697?s=21

[Roronoa D. Law]

Yeah I doubt Biden wins the nomination at this point, he's turning out to be almost as weak of a candidate as Clinton

I admit it was expected. The far left, the far right, and the media care more about fighting and grandstanding then getting anything done. Bad news for African Americans since we suffer the most from this decline of discourse but I guess on the bright we get to hear Democrat talk about reparations every odd year for now on.

[Virginiá]

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