Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

Can you elaborate on that, because saying “for obvious reasons” doesn’t make there be reasons.

Warren is already hated and viliefied by a huge chunk of the country no thanks in part to her Native American ancestry scandal, Harris is the walking caricature of everything Fox News has been portraying Democrats as for the past 40 years, and Susan Rice’s involvement in Benghazi (yet another highly polarizing event) makes it easy for large swaths of the country to hate her

A stretch but ok.

It’s funny how Kamala is this far left, cancel culture, men are trash, all white people should repent for slavery liberal and tough on crime, corporate, centrist, status quo empty suit simultaneously.

I’m just saying what no one else seems to want to acknowledge on here: Kamala Harris will be hurt by sexism and racism more than most other women on this list.

“She’s from San Francisco, she isn’t one of you!”
“Another coastal elitist”
“She has no kids and married for money”
“She’s a narcissist who tried to paint herself as the female Obama”

That’s not even getting into what Fox and Trump will try to do to further dog whistle

So Democrats should be scared about nominating anyone from California because of what some morons think? And Democrats should never nominate a Black woman because of what some racists/sexists think?

Why even choose a non-White woman then? Biden should just choose between Baldwin, Whitmer & Warren.

I’m not saying they can’t, because they obviously can. I’m saying what should be obvious is that Republicans will do everything they can to try to paint Harris as “out of touch” with “real Americans©️“ and whether we as Democrats want to acknowledge it or not,  that is a lot easier for them to do running against someone like Harris compared to someone like Duckworth or Abrams. Notice how I’ve been an advocate of Abrams in the past for the VP nod.

[Da2017]

Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

Can you elaborate on that, because saying “for obvious reasons” doesn’t make there be reasons.

Warren is already hated and viliefied by a huge chunk of the country no thanks in part to her Native American ancestry scandal, Harris is the walking caricature of everything Fox News has been portraying Democrats as for the past 40 years, and Susan Rice’s involvement in Benghazi (yet another highly polarizing event) makes it easy for large swaths of the country to hate her

A stretch but ok.

It’s funny how Kamala is this far left, cancel culture, men are trash, all white people should repent for slavery liberal and tough on crime, corporate, centrist, status quo empty suit simultaneously.

I’m just saying what no one else seems to want to acknowledge on here: Kamala Harris will be hurt by sexism and racism more than most other women on this list.

“She’s from San Francisco, she isn’t one of you!”
“Another coastal elitist”
“She has no kids and married for money”
“She’s a narcissist who tried to paint herself as the female Obama”

That’s not even getting into what Fox and Trump will try to do to further dog whistle

So Democrats should be scared about nominating anyone from California because of what some morons think? And Democrats should never nominate a Black woman because of what some racists/sexists think?

Why even choose a non-White woman then? Biden should just choose between Baldwin, Whitmer & Warren.

I’m not saying they can’t, because they obviously can. I’m saying what should be obvious is that Republicans will do everything they can to try to paint Harris as “out of touch” with “real Americans©️“ and whether we as Democrats want to acknowledge it or not,  that is a lot easier for them to do running against someone like Harris compared to someone like Duckworth or Abrams. Notice how I’ve been an advocate of Abrams in the past for the VP nod.

Rice I'd say the easiest to paint out of touch.

[Roll Roons]

Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

Can you elaborate on that, because saying “for obvious reasons” doesn’t make there be reasons.

Warren is already hated and viliefied by a huge chunk of the country no thanks in part to her Native American ancestry scandal, Harris is the walking caricature of everything Fox News has been portraying Democrats as for the past 40 years, and Susan Rice’s involvement in Benghazi (yet another highly polarizing event) makes it easy for large swaths of the country to hate her

A stretch but ok.

It’s funny how Kamala is this far left, cancel culture, men are trash, all white people should repent for slavery liberal and tough on crime, corporate, centrist, status quo empty suit simultaneously.

I’m just saying what no one else seems to want to acknowledge on here: Kamala Harris will be hurt by sexism and racism more than most other women on this list.

“She’s from San Francisco, she isn’t one of you!”
“Another coastal elitist”
“She has no kids and married for money”
“She’s a narcissist who tried to paint herself as the female Obama”

That’s not even getting into what Fox and Trump will try to do to further dog whistle

So Democrats should be scared about nominating anyone from California because of what some morons think? And Democrats should never nominate a Black woman because of what some racists/sexists think?

Why even choose a non-White woman then? Biden should just choose between Baldwin, Whitmer & Warren.

I’m not saying they can’t, because they obviously can. I’m saying what should be obvious is that Republicans will do everything they can to try to paint Harris as “out of touch” with “real Americans©️“ and whether we as Democrats want to acknowledge it or not,  that is a lot easier for them to do running against someone like Harris compared to someone like Duckworth or Abrams. Notice how I’ve been an advocate of Abrams in the past for the VP nod.

Rice I'd say the easiest to paint out of touch.

Yeah. She's lived pretty much her whole life in DC, and her parents were a high-level Treasury Department staffer and a vice president of the College Board. I'm not sure Trump's "swamp creature" attack will be as effective as it was in 2016, but if there's one VP contender it really applies to, it's her.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Duckworth just seems like such the no-brainer pick. Much like Biden, it'll be hard to get the country to viscerally hate her. The same can't be said for Warren, Harris, or Rice, for obvious reasons.

Can you elaborate on that, because saying “for obvious reasons” doesn’t make there be reasons.

Warren is already hated and viliefied by a huge chunk of the country no thanks in part to her Native American ancestry scandal, Harris is the walking caricature of everything Fox News has been portraying Democrats as for the past 40 years, and Susan Rice’s involvement in Benghazi (yet another highly polarizing event) makes it easy for large swaths of the country to hate her

A stretch but ok.

It’s funny how Kamala is this far left, cancel culture, men are trash, all white people should repent for slavery liberal and tough on crime, corporate, centrist, status quo empty suit simultaneously.

I’m just saying what no one else seems to want to acknowledge on here: Kamala Harris will be hurt by sexism and racism more than most other women on this list.

“She’s from San Francisco, she isn’t one of you!”
“Another coastal elitist”
“She has no kids and married for money”
“She’s a narcissist who tried to paint herself as the female Obama”

That’s not even getting into what Fox and Trump will try to do to further dog whistle

So Democrats should be scared about nominating anyone from California because of what some morons think? And Democrats should never nominate a Black woman because of what some racists/sexists think?

Why even choose a non-White woman then? Biden should just choose between Baldwin, Whitmer & Warren.

I’m not saying they can’t, because they obviously can. I’m saying what should be obvious is that Republicans will do everything they can to try to paint Harris as “out of touch” with “real Americans©️“ and whether we as Democrats want to acknowledge it or not,  that is a lot easier for them to do running against someone like Harris compared to someone like Duckworth or Abrams. Notice how I’ve been an advocate of Abrams in the past for the VP nod.

Rice I'd say the easiest to paint out of touch.

No doubt, but even beyond Trump, it’s important to keep in mind that whoever Biden chooses has a strong likelihood of being the Democratic nominee in 2024 as well. I imagine it’s much harder to get half the country to viscerally hate a double amputee compared to San Franciscan, but that’s my guess

[wbrocks67]

I think a lot of you really overestimate the legitimacy of attacks on any of the VP candidates, aside from maybe Warren, b/c she unfortunately has already polarized people. Fox News can attack Harris for being out of touch or whatever as much as they want, doesn't mean it's gonna land. Republicans are going to find *something* to attack *ANY* of the candidates for. Doesn't mean it's going to work.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

You’re usually right in your assessments and I generally agree with you, but this ain’t it. Her endorsements have gone to a slew of progressive candidates (Booker, Bowman, Eastman, Stephen Smith) but she has also endorsed candidates on the more moderate side of things plenty of times. Her organization is about coalition building. I also think it’s strange that she endorsed Hick but I’m not going to act like this is a knock against her progressive bonafides because she’s been endorsing plenty of candidates who align with her values. I think she might’ve endorsed Hick from an electability POV, as polls have shown him crushing Gardner so he seems like the safest bet to flip that seat. This doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t undo everything else she’s done for progressives both before and after her run for POTUS. One bad endorsement does not a snake make.

The problem with this is that you're operating under the assumption that Hickenlooper is a moderate. Hickenlooper is a Blue Dog. He's definitely on the moderate side of the economy question, and his climate record as governor is outright conservative. Colorado isn't a purple state anymore - it's got a decidedly blue tint to it now, and we can do better than someone like Hickenlooper there.

My issue isn't that she endorsed Hickenlooper, but the timing of the endorsement. If she endorsed earlier like Harris did, I'd be fine with it. I'd be a bit disappointed, but I wouldn't be angry. It's different than Jeff Merkley endorsing the DSCC slate or Kamala Harris backing her. It's different from Bernie staying out. She openly attempted to paint Hickenlooper as the progressive candidate despite his actual conservative positions. You know it's bad when her own supporters are dragging her for it.

Her putting her thumb on the scale just as Romanoff is starting to gain steam and traction is what pissed me off. This isn't, say, Yang or Tulsi deciding to endorse Biden over Bernie after Super Tuesday. Sure, Bernie was more aligned with them, but the guy's campaign was dead in the water. Romanoff probably won't win, and a Warren endorsement wouldn't have closed the gap between them. But the momentum is undeniably heavily in Romanoff's direction right now, and a Warren endorsement would have brought a lot of enthusiasm towards his campaign. Her endorsement, to say the very least, stifles that momentum. At best, it's a misjudgment of the race, and at worst it's a calculated political move to shut down a progressive challenger to a conservative Democrat in a blue state. With the timing of the endorsement, I'm more inclined to believe it's the latter.

One endorsement does not make a snake, but this endorsement is part of a greater pattern. Going along with her team's dubious accusations of sexism, staying in for Super Tuesday, this... some of that might be exaggerated, but all that shows that Elizabeth Warren is more interested in being a "player in the game" than pushing a progressive agenda. We don't need another Barack Obama who will use us to get elected and sell us down the river when they get in power. We need someone who we can trust to fight for us.

And as sad as it is, Elizabeth Warren has broken that trust with me.

Wasn't Romanoff running in 2010 to the right of Michael Bennet? He even had a Clinton endorsement. It's pretty clear that all of these folks are just playing the game.

What I've noticed is that it's much easier being accepted by the left if you're a white man, even if you've had a more conservative past. To the left, that's "growth". Women like Warren and Harris, who have been consistently progressive throughout their careers, were shunned because they weren't perfectly progressive. When they pivoted to the left, they were called "phony" and "inauthentic" and "opportunistic". You're not hearing any of this being said about Romanoff. I wonder why.

This isn't entirely accurate from an electoral perspective. Most of the left-insurgent wing's biggest success stories in primaries have been with candidates who are women and/or people of color (AOC, Newman, Bowman, several members of city councils and state legislative seats in Chicago/Philadelphia/NYC metro, etc.). Leftists are more than willing to support women candidates and candidates of color. In fact, you could even argue the opposite - that leftists see a benefit to running women/POC candidates as they have more of a reach to communities than a white male candidate.

Romanoff, of course, was not an ideal candidate to take down Hickenlooper, but most of the support for him was because he at least seemed like an acceptable alternative to Hickenlooper based on his expressed support for M4A and GND. So it was more based on the issues than anything related to him being a white man (which seems a bit odd to point out since his opponent was also white and male).

PittsburghSteel's post also ignores the rise of Julia Salazar, who was cited as the next great leftist hope in NY when she ran against Martin Dilan. She was hyped up as one of the next great hopes for the party after AOC fresh out of Columbia Unversity... where she was president of the college's Students for Life. She was fairly embedded in Republican circles throughout her short time at college (per Simfan). Her past was discussed, but never really gained traction in the Bernieverse (actually most of the reaction on AAD was skepticism).

But hey, I must be an evil misogynist because I thought the Hickenlooper endorsement was a black mark on Warren's record! Never mind my record of criticizing flip-floppers and grifters in the movement, it doesn't fit with his narrative of exploiting real issues women face to defend his political views as a male.

[Da2017]

I think a lot of you really overestimate the legitimacy of attacks on any of the VP candidates, aside from maybe Warren, b/c she unfortunately has already polarized people. Fox News can attack Harris for being out of touch or whatever as much as they want, doesn't mean it's gonna land. Republicans are going to find *something* to attack *ANY* of the candidates for. Doesn't mean it's going to work.

I think Rice has done more to polarize people than Warren.

[wbrocks67]

I think a lot of you really overestimate the legitimacy of attacks on any of the VP candidates, aside from maybe Warren, b/c she unfortunately has already polarized people. Fox News can attack Harris for being out of touch or whatever as much as they want, doesn't mean it's gonna land. Republicans are going to find *something* to attack *ANY* of the candidates for. Doesn't mean it's going to work.

I think Rice has done more to polarize people than Warren.

Oh yeah, I agree. But honestly I don't think Rice is in serious contention for the job.

Not to mention, we are in such a pandemic-heavy news cycle right now, that most of the typical attacks are not landing at all. Like, with so much else going on in the news, Fox News' echo chamber against the VP will continue to go on, but the majority of the country will be focused on what's really mattering right now, and not aimless Republican attacks on Biden's VP

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/TeamJoe/status/1281622458861117440
Geez, this message is kind of explicit. Almost too explicit. I'm a little scared to hope that it means what I'd want it to mean.

[BudgieForce]

https://twitter.com/TeamJoe/status/1281622458861117440
Geez, this message is kind of explicit. Almost too explicit. I'm a little scared to hope that it means what I'd want it to mean.

Team Biden has "borrowed" multiple slogans from other primary campaigns. I wouldn't read too much into it.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

https://twitter.com/TeamJoe/status/1281622458861117440
Geez, this message is kind of explicit. Almost too explicit. I'm a little scared to hope that it means what I'd want it to mean.

Team Biden has "borrowed" multiple slogans from other primary campaigns. I wouldn't read too much into it.

He recently used Kamala's "Justice is on the Ballot", or something like that.

[GeneralMacArthur]

It is a Biden slogan.  It's been part of his stump speech since day 1.

[Roblox]

https://twitter.com/TeamJoe/status/1281622458861117440
Geez, this message is kind of explicit. Almost too explicit. I'm a little scared to hope that it means what I'd want it to mean.

Team Biden has "borrowed" multiple slogans from other primary campaigns. I wouldn't read too much into it.

He recently used Kamala's "Justice is on the Ballot", or something like that.

He also hinted at Bernie's slogan recently with "It's not about him, it's about us".

[Adam Griffin]

https://twitter.com/TeamJoe/status/1281622458861117440
Geez, this message is kind of explicit. Almost too explicit. I'm a little scared to hope that it means what I'd want it to mean.

Don't worry: this is just a typo from the slogan during the Obama years

[South Dakota Democrat]

Though at this point I think Biden picks a woman of color so you're down to Harris, Rice, Duckworth, Demings & Grisham really. I'm sure you could still float the Abrams & Bass' of the world but I think they could possibly snag an Administration job.

What about KLB? She seems more likely than Grisham, Bass and Abrams at least.

I forgot to add her. KLB is who I hoped he picked but I think she's lost all momentum. I still have a gut feeling he's going to pick Susan Rice.

I hope Biden does not get blindsided by loyalty. She would be a diasterous pick.

I completely disagree. People keep saying they'll trash her for Benghazi, people don't care about Benghazi and especially the Black community could give a crap about Benghazi. If the GOP try to drum that up, it'll fall on deaf ears as the Trump Administration just lies about everything and Hillary Clinton was cleared of any wrong doing. The "Meh... What about her e-mail's though?!" wouldn't stick to Susan Rice either. Also, the working relationship with her and Biden is well documented and I think he'll be most comfortable with her by his side.

Kamala is the clear favorite to win the nomination and she'll be a great pick and I think the West Coast would be excited since Reagan was the last west coast politician to be held to such a high position in government. I think Duckworth would be a great choice as well, Warren would be a great choice, Demings would be a great choice since she's from a swing state and I don't think her Police Chief record would hurt her unless they found something in the vetting process and KLB is my choice but I don't see it happening but I think she could really win over swing voters for being a straight shooter.

Overall, unlike most people on this board, I don't think Biden could make the wrong choice right now. Even Grisham I think would be a great pick at this point. I trust the Biden team will pick who they think will work best with them and who is most ready for the job. That's why I think Susan Rice will be picked and she's done pretty good interviews with no gaffes so far except with the Far Left about the Draft, which is dumb. I support using the draft in the most extreme circumstance, I mean other countries mandate that you do 2 years of military service anyways, so I don't want to hear from the Far Left that it's UnAmerican, its quite the opposite.

I'm fairly certain they were referring to KLB, not Susan Rice.

[Horus]

Though at this point I think Biden picks a woman of color so you're down to Harris, Rice, Duckworth, Demings & Grisham really. I'm sure you could still float the Abrams & Bass' of the world but I think they could possibly snag an Administration job.

What about KLB? She seems more likely than Grisham, Bass and Abrams at least.

I forgot to add her. KLB is who I hoped he picked but I think she's lost all momentum. I still have a gut feeling he's going to pick Susan Rice.

I hope Biden does not get blindsided by loyalty. She would be a diasterous pick.

I completely disagree. People keep saying they'll trash her for Benghazi, people don't care about Benghazi and especially the Black community could give a crap about Benghazi. If the GOP try to drum that up, it'll fall on deaf ears as the Trump Administration just lies about everything and Hillary Clinton was cleared of any wrong doing. The "Meh... What about her e-mail's though?!" wouldn't stick to Susan Rice either. Also, the working relationship with her and Biden is well documented and I think he'll be most comfortable with her by his side.

Kamala is the clear favorite to win the nomination and she'll be a great pick and I think the West Coast would be excited since Reagan was the last west coast politician to be held to such a high position in government. I think Duckworth would be a great choice as well, Warren would be a great choice, Demings would be a great choice since she's from a swing state and I don't think her Police Chief record would hurt her unless they found something in the vetting process and KLB is my choice but I don't see it happening but I think she could really win over swing voters for being a straight shooter.

Overall, unlike most people on this board, I don't think Biden could make the wrong choice right now. Even Grisham I think would be a great pick at this point. I trust the Biden team will pick who they think will work best with them and who is most ready for the job. That's why I think Susan Rice will be picked and she's done pretty good interviews with no gaffes so far except with the Far Left about the Draft, which is dumb. I support using the draft in the most extreme circumstance, I mean other countries mandate that you do 2 years of military service anyways, so I don't want to hear from the Far Left that it's UnAmerican, its quite the opposite.

"Because other countries do it, it isn't un American."

That's... not good logic

[Former Crackhead Mike Lindell]

The problem is, a lot of Americans are deeply sexist, and that doesn't manifest itself as "we hate her because she's a woman" because that's too overt, they'll latch on to whatever else there is to criticize. If there's nothing, they'll find something. There's no winning with these people

[BidenHarris2020]

The democratic ticket will NOT be two white septuagenarians. Not in 2020

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

The democratic ticket will NOT be two white septuagenarians. Not in 2020

Can I get next week’s lottery numbers too?

[BidenHarris2020]

Ask Elizabeth.

[wbrocks67]

The democratic ticket will NOT be two white septuagenarians. Not in 2020

Can I get next week’s lottery numbers too?

I mean, they're not wrong though. Biden picking Warren is wrong for multiple reasons - including that the VP should be a woman of color.

[Da2017]

I'd be surprised if Rice survived betting. She has so much baggage.

[GeorgiaModerate]

I'd be surprised if Rice survived betting. She has so much baggage.

She got wiped out in Vegas?

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

I'd be surprised if Rice survived betting. She has so much baggage.

She got wiped out in Vegas?

So THAT’S who was raising her stock on PredictIt.

[blackentheborg]

Being real for a sec?
I cannot, CANNOT, understand how the agreement of the Dems has become "okay so if Biden gets in he'll serve a term then resign and allow his vp to run for their own term"
Like, wtf just vote in the VP instead? Why are there all these extra steps?!