Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Whitmer isnt leaving MI and it will look bad after 2 yrs

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

WaPo article speculating about the pick.  Nothing super interesting but a few notable tidbits.

Our Revolution just completed a survey of its members that it said showed 62 percent favoring Warren as Biden’s running mate and 22 percent wanting Abrams. Harris, Klobuchar and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, all more moderate, didn’t break 10 percent ... “The overwhelming majority of the board is enthusiastic about Warren,” said Larry Cohen, who leads Our Revolution.

Liberal groups were dismayed that Biden’s vice-presidential vetting panel, which he announced last week, included no names close to their movement ... Black interests, by contrast, have been incorporated into the campaign.

Abrams’s open campaigning has caused some eyerolls, but several around Biden say it has not necessarily damaged her chances.

Probably because she had no chance to start with, lol.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/joe-biden-is-looking-for-a-running-mate-many-democrats-have-strong-ideas-%e2%80%94-and-few-agree/ar-BB13Dttl?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

Since when is Kamala a moderate? Just because she was a prosecutor? SMH.

[Horus]

Susan Rice was incredibly disrespectful to Snoop Dogg and should be nowhere near the ticket.

Is this a serious post, and if so is there some context?

Here's a good summary.

https://www.theatlantavoice.com/articles/brown-snoop-dogg-vs-gayle-king-and-ambassador-susan-rice/

[Devils30]

Harris has an ideology out of line with most moderates, far left on social issues but centrist on economics with a heavy dose of identity politics.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Harris has an ideology out of line with most moderates, far left on social issues but centrist on economics with a heavy dose of identity politics.

I don't think that's an accurate assessment.

[Frodo]

Bernie Sanders doesn't seem too keen on Elizabeth Warren as Biden's running-mate:

Sanders not urging Biden to pick Warren as running mate: report

[Beet]

Bernie Sanders doesn't seem too keen on Elizabeth Warren as Biden's running-mate:

Sanders not urging Biden to pick Warren as running mate: report

This is a bizarre story, given that it is not based on any developments, and literally could have been run any day of the last month. It seems to be implying things that just aren't there. For all we know, he wants her, but doesn't want to put his finger on the scales.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Bernie Sanders doesn't seem too keen on Elizabeth Warren as Biden's running-mate:

Sanders not urging Biden to pick Warren as running mate: report

l

Bernie already said he would pick Warren as Veep, Warren is gonna be Veep

[Lognog]

Bernie Sanders doesn't seem too keen on Elizabeth Warren as Biden's running-mate:

Sanders not urging Biden to pick Warren as running mate: report

"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has thus far not encouraged former Vice President Joe Biden's team to consider Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)"

truly shocking. drop out isn't directing nominee for VEEP pick

[Rookie Yinzer]

Harris has an ideology out of line with most moderates, far left on social issues but centrist on economics with a heavy dose of identity politics.

What is identity politics? Acknowledging the very real consequences of racism and racial bias?

But crickets when identity politics focuses on fake white moderates in that proverbial diner in Bumblef***, Wisconsin.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

This is fake news, Bernie already said that Warren was Veep material at a rally in Cali during ST and she was Veep material

[wbrocks67]

It's really f**king annoying that many of these pieces act like Kamala is not a progressive, by subtlety (or not) throwing in there "he needs to pick a black woman OR a progressive"

[Kleine Scheiße]

Harris has an ideology out of line with most moderates, far left on social issues but centrist on economics with a heavy dose of identity politics.

What is identity politics? Acknowledging the very real consequences of racism and racial bias?

But crickets when identity politics focuses on fake white moderates in that proverbial diner in Bumblef***, Wisconsin.

People who say they're against "identity politics" don't usually know what "identity" means. To them, "race" is nothing more than a quirky personality trait, on display behind glass for windowshoppers as if the world were some luxury boutique. Given the chance, even, most of them would never take a step closer.

The point of identity politics can not just be the brick we cast through that window -- that brick must also knock out a few spectators' teeth.

[Meatball Ron]

Susan Rice was incredibly disrespectful to Snoop Dogg and should be nowhere near the ticket.

Is this a serious post, and if so is there some context?

Here's a good summary.

https://www.theatlantavoice.com/articles/brown-snoop-dogg-vs-gayle-king-and-ambassador-susan-rice/

Lmao Rice is obviously in the right here.

Journalist reporting on Kobe's death rightfully covers the totality of his public life, which includes the rape charge.

Snoop attacks and threatens said journalist.

Rice defends said journalist.

I fail to see the problem.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Bernie Sanders doesn't seem too keen on Elizabeth Warren as Biden's running-mate:

Sanders not urging Biden to pick Warren as running mate: report

All this says is that he's not involved in the decision making process at all. He's not "encouraging" Biden to pick anyone because that's not his focus right now.

[Horus]

Susan Rice was incredibly disrespectful to Snoop Dogg and should be nowhere near the ticket.

Is this a serious post, and if so is there some context?

Here's a good summary.

https://www.theatlantavoice.com/articles/brown-snoop-dogg-vs-gayle-king-and-ambassador-susan-rice/

Lmao Rice is obviously in the right here.

Journalist reporting on Kobe's death rightfully covers the totality of his public life, which includes the rape charge.

Snoop attacks and threatens said journalist.

Rice defends said journalist.

I fail to see the problem.

What rape charge? He was never charged with a thing. Do you assume all black men are guilty off bat or only those accused by white women?

When Liz Warren dies is the msm gonna bring up the Marine who she supposedly spanked? No because the story was bs. Same here, Kobe's accuser didn't even show up to court. Snoop was rightfully angry that the media was trying to tarnish his dead friend (whose daughter also died btw) not even a week after he passed. If Snoop Dogg got her this heated I can only imagine how Kim jong Un would make her react...

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/CapehartJ/status/1257996552842469376

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Harris has an ideology out of line with most moderates, far left on social issues but centrist on economics with a heavy dose of identity politics.

What is identity politics? Acknowledging the very real consequences of racism and racial bias?

But crickets when identity politics focuses on fake white moderates in that proverbial diner in Bumblef***, Wisconsin.

Identity politics - at the most basic level, the politics of specific communities as interest groups (this can be class, race, etc.) - is not an inherently negative term and has played an important role in securing rights, but it is usually divisive and electorally controversial in that it splits people into an in-group and an out-group, or can be easily portrayed as doing this. The most successful advocates tend to achieve their goals by pooling their efforts with others of different identities, uniting behind a much more pluralist front with shared goals (e.g. the early 1900s labour movement in the UK, which grew well beyond the initial working class in-group - when it failed to do this in the late '70s and early '80s, it suffered a steep decline).

I try to keep an open mind about all this as I'm hardly as familiar with the American cultural context as most of you, but it seems to me that championing HR40 is approaching a form of essentialist identity politics that suggests that recipients of hypothetical reparations are not deserving of support because it's right to help the disadvantaged, but because of who their ancestors were (and, in the case of those not paid cash reparations for slavery, they are not paying taxes because it's right to help those in need, but because of the sins of their forefathers).

[Ogre Mage]

Bernie Sanders doesn't seem too keen on Elizabeth Warren as Biden's running-mate:

Sanders not urging Biden to pick Warren as running mate: report

The article I posted stated --

Our Revolution just completed a survey of its members that it said showed 62 percent favoring Warren as Biden’s running mate and 22 percent wanting Abrams. Harris, Klobuchar and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, all more moderate, didn’t break 10 percent ... “The overwhelming majority of the board is enthusiastic about Warren,” said Larry Cohen, who leads Our Revolution.

Given that Warren is the overwhelming preferred choice of Our Revolution, the fact Sanders is not advocating for her is notable.   

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Bernie Sanders doesn't seem too keen on Elizabeth Warren as Biden's running-mate:

Sanders not urging Biden to pick Warren as running mate: report

The article I posted stated --

Our Revolution just completed a survey of its members that it said showed 62 percent favoring Warren as Biden’s running mate and 22 percent wanting Abrams. Harris, Klobuchar and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, all more moderate, didn’t break 10 percent ... “The overwhelming majority of the board is enthusiastic about Warren,” said Larry Cohen, who leads Our Revolution.

Given that Warren is the overwhelming preferred choice of Our Revolution, the fact Sanders is not advocating for her is notable.  

Previous VP articles have talked about 'the business community' etc. favouring candidate X or Y. Biden appears much more willing to work with progressives in certain policy areas, but when it comes to VP selection it seems like he's taking advice mostly from moderate party insiders, more so than in any other major part of his team.

Would a Sanders endorsement actually help win over these powerbrokers (as opposed to voters in a primary/GE)? Perhaps, but a Bernie endorsement could put the endorsee in the sights of the #NeverBernie grouping as a proxy villain, and the negatives here might well outweigh the positives (which would not be true within the wider democratic electorate). I'm not saying this is certain, but he - or any potential VP he's been talking to about an endorsement - might deem an endorsement in this situation to be a net negative.

An undeniable upshot to him endorsing prior to them being selected is that it makes Biden seem more receptive to the progressive camp and potentially brings a few more floating lefties on board. However, this is worth less than nothing if they aren't actually selected.

Edit: the Our Revolution poll was a closed poll with only 5 candidates (Abrams, Harris, Klobuchar Warren and Whitmer). I suspect Tammy Baldwin might poll better with them than Warren, though that'd be a critical risk to her Senate seat.

[Horus]

https://twitter.com/CapehartJ/status/1257996552842469376

Eh, I'm not sure. Personally I like Demings fine and think she's more than qualified, but if "Kamala is a cop" became a thing I can only imagine how certain portions of the left would react to an actual cop.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I doubt Val Demings or Abrams will be picked, they can serve in Cabinet but Warren is leading candidate for Veep

[President Johnson]

Val Demings appeared on Morning Joe today. Starting at 6:55, Willie Geist asked her about the vice presidential considerations and she said if asked "to be honored to serve alongside Joe Biden to get this nation back on track..."

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Val Demings will be HUD Secretary, Warren is gonna be Veep, Biden wants someone with Natl Security credentials. Warren has plenty, House members dont deal with Treaties, Senate does

[Bidenworth2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MollyNagle3/status/1258110522500792322

Most non-denial non-denial I have seen in a while from Duckworth.